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anyways i wish u the best on either car both beautiful cars!
Fading/chalky dashboard. Not a big deal, but noticeable (to me, at least).
One rattle, only when sunroof is in "vent" position. Dealer was to fix at first service, did not.
Temp guage issue (read ---). Fixed at first service.
Oh, yeah. Bridgestone Turanza's stink in the snow. But, so far, not the snowiest of winters here in Boston area. Raining cats/dogs right now...
Leather is fine. No "harmonic vibration" (is this an "Urban Legend?" )
The TL is a great car: powerful, luxurious, good handling, nice ride, decent mpg and handsomely styled. Of course YMMV, but I certainly recommend one to consider the TL when shopping for an entry level luxury performance car. For me, it was the winner over the G35x.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
About rpm 1.5, it sounds like whining sound and no power. the sound louds at that moment. My local dealer also told me it's normal. they adjusted transition time chaining gear of transmission. It was looked like engine tune up. After this, engine sounds is a bit lower than before. but the symptom didn't fixed at all.
I hope your next ride treats you better.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I do think the driver's seat bottom side bolster is kinda hard, but I suspect it'll soften up a bit over time as I get in and out over the years. Have you noticed the same?
It could be that I came from a Chrysler 300M which had bigger, softer seats. While bolstered, not as firmly as the TL.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
My other problem is that if my front wheels hit any pothole of about 3" or more in depth it sounds and feels like I just crashed into a 9 foot hole. Its the most crushing blast I've ever felt in any car upon hitting a pot-hole. This car to me, has a very HARD and noisy ride. Has anyone else experienced any of the above.
Thank you for any feed back
Exactly!
I want everyone to know how unhappy my wife and I are with our 06 TL. :lemon: We are very upset with the car's vibration at 55-65 MPH. We have never had such significant problems with any car before. But more significantly, we have never been treated to such deception and disrespect by any company for any reason. Acura's position is no only wrong but inexcusable! Don't buy their TL or any other car they make, for that matter.
Don't kid yourself folks. This is a disaster for unsuspecting consumers like us who assume Honda makes a great car and stands behind it. We really feel cheated because we can't stand driving the car only to be reminded of its defects every trip down the highway.
First, we called the dealer at 200 miles to set up the service fix and found out about the "harmonic vibration" problem from the dealer's service manager upon the second visit. Everybody was playing a "GAME" that it was the first time they ever, ever, ever saw such a thing. Oh Dear! We soon found out how widespread this problem was after getting the service manager to "ride along" with me in several random new 06 TLs. Soon thereafter, he admitted this was a chronic and reoccurring problem but Acura was simply ignoring it. It is Acura's official position that this problem does not exist. Well let me just tell you folks; This problem exists and it is very, very real!
I have now officially be rejected by the dealer, manufacturer and the state arbitrator. My two remaining options are filing a lemon law complaint or a law suit. This whole thing really sucks. We couldn't be more displeased with our brand new Acura LT. Acura and Honda must have some huge problems to ignore this like it isn't there. I will make sure they have as many problems from me as possible in return for their deceptive and dishonest business policies.
Don't Buy the Acura TL!
Compared to a Lexus ES330, yes it does. Compared to an Infiniti G35 (or my former Chrysler 300M/wind & road noise), no it does not. At least to me after test driving 'em.
Did you actually test drive the TL? If so, you should have been familiar with its ride characteristics. For its intent, I find the TL to have a good balance of ride/handling.
I'm really, really going to try and detect the "harmonic vibration" on my '05. I really feel left out (as do the three other TL owners I know). I'll let y'all know if I can detect it. But after a year + of ownership, my TL is in perfect harmony!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I do have to ask if you test drive cars before you buy them. If this is such an obvious, common problem that you noticed on a random sampling of new TL's as well as your 200 mile or less TL, I would assume this would have been apparent on your test drive. With such a large purchase, a careful buyer would also monitor sources like Edmunds and other Acura owners sites (and there are many of them, with lots of information.)
Certainly, shabby treatment by a dealer or manufacturer is inexcusable. However, it is the buyer's responsibility to inspect the product and determine if its inherent characteristics and qualities (and you appear to state this is an inherent characteristic that you noted on several new TL's, not a problem due to the car malfunctioning post-purchase) is desirable and worth the purchase.
I enjoy my 2005 TL/Auto/NAV, excepting a few rattles (which appear to come from the passenger seat or seatbelt, as the rattles disappear when I have a passenger) and have not noted this harmonic vibration.
My previous car, a 2003 VW Passat/1.8t/Tip had noticeable turbo lag at low speed. Some people complained it was dangerous and should be addressed. I say they should have taken note on the test drive and decided not to buy the car if this characteristic bothered them.
I would say the same of the harmonic vibration if you consider/determine it to be an inherent characteristic, which you appear to state. (or defect, as you assert) of the car as opposed to a problem that evidences itself over time due to a degradation of the car, which would, IMO, be an issue that requires repair.
Best of luck in resolving your situation. If you choose to buy another vehicle, I strongly suggest you test drive it with great attention and research some of its characteristics, both good and bad, so you know what you are most likely to get. Every car will have its own character that you may or may not like or even notice (i.e. Tip lag with VW, jerky shifting with ES330, rattles with TL, poor gas mileage with G35 or LGT, etc...)
About two ago I took my 05 TL to an out of town dealer concerning the whining sound. I wanted a second opinion from my local dealer. A tech drove with me and said it is a characteristic of the TL. To prove it, the tech took me for a drive in an 06 TL and sure enough it made the same whining sound. Although I don't like the sound, at least I know it is common to the TL and not just mine. The tech did not know what mechanism made the sound.
It's not bs. It does exist and is probably different depending on where you live (road surface, temps) as well as tire pressure.
I wonder if anyone has had luck fixing it by replacing the factory michelins.
You may have another option, and that is to start the repair process with another dealer. Treat it like a new problem and leave the emotion and history at home before you visit the service advisor. Without digging through the history of other reports (your quote was to a 2004 message) it sounds more like an out of balance situation with one or more wheels. This is fixable.
You have to have all your documentation is good shape to win a lemon law claim. If you do not already have it, starting with a new dealer is good idea.
I am totally satisfied with my 2006 AT TL. It had one minor issue that was resolved on a trip to the dealer. My previous car was a 99 A TL, and I was totally satisfied with that one as well.
Thanks for your response.
is it really what they said "characteristic of the TL"? hmm, But I never had before sound like whining!
I may need to figure it out by myself.
it sounds whining with no power when RPM go about 1.5. When I try to speed up, meaning pushing the accelerator of my car down to the floor strongly, the sounds return to normal with power. at this point, RPM go out of the range 1.5.
This phenomenon can be found when you drive a stickship manual car. When the speed is getting down at higher gear, you must change it to lower gear properly. if you don't change and keep going in the higher gear at low speed, it make the sound whining with no power.
I am trying to find more information. I will go to second option as you did. Let's find more information as possible.
I will post the result.
Cheers,
Hopefully these mistakes will not be repeated by others.
Stuck with a lemon.
If you do choose the sell the TL and try another make, I commend you for planning to research the vehicle and carefully test drive the vehicle that you will actually take delivery of prior to signing a contract and taking delivery.
Even the best makes (and I myself consider Acura to be among them, with 6 good Acura experiences in my family to date, as well as at least as many Honda experiences) will have a problem vehicle every now and again, and if it happens to be the one you ordered, you have every right to refuse delivery of it and demand a new one. For this reason I recommend making the minimum deposit if you order a vehicle, put the deposit on your credit card so you can dispute (cash makes this very hard) and protect yourself any way you can as a consumer. Always remember that the dealer wants to sell you a car and you should take every measure to make sure you are satisfied prior to executing a contract.
Again, best of luck in your search for resolution or a new vehicle.
I too am shocked that Acura/Honda would ignore this problem.
Anyone get anywhere with this problem or with Acura?
According to these boards, the Turanza's were "reformulated" sometime during/after the '04s run, due to complaints. Did this help? I don't know, but Acura continued to OEM them and I don't think they are the best tires they could have chosen.
The tranny lugging or "harmonic vibration" (which I believe only happens when the moon is in the seventh house and jupiter aligns with mars... ) is a different "issue" altogether. The flat-spotting I believe I've experienced. The HV? Nope.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I have experience a great history of owning Hondas and never would have expected to have this happen in an Acura. When I roadtested this car (twice), the dealer took me over his pet circuit, that did not include pot holes which there are many of in New England and when we drove it on the highway, this problem was not manifesting itseld at that time. I thank you for your advise.
Something fishy........like a troller.....
Man - if this thing with your car is that big a problem have the dealer fix it under warranty. Go to another dealer if the first one doesn't satisfy you. I would if this 'thing' happens with mine. But something this big and obvious should have been noticed in a test drive.
Yea - agree - fishy post. Good luck tho.
Acura has not properly addressed the issue for those that have it. :mad:
I enjoy my TL as well and have no issues, just like you. But just because we do not have issues, this in no way precludes others from having issues.
What basis do you have to accuse others of being dishonest? I see no reason to make this assertion.
Best of Luck
While the normal price is $968, the dealer routinely runs "maintenance specials" and reduces the cost to $681.
I don't know what spark plug replacement costs on a TL, but on my last 6-cylinder Mitsubishi it ran over $250 because the entire air induction system had to be removed to get to the rear 3 plugs.
With respect to having the brakes done by a non-dealer, I would be sure that they had an "on caliper" brake lathe to properly turn the rotors to help avoid the problem with rotors that begin to "shimmy" if not properly turned. I'd be sure the dealer was also using the proper equipment.
Have you had the tires rotated yet? If it isn't a tire balance issue, it's probably a bent or defective wheel. If you try rotating the tires yourself (in accordance with the rotating pattern in the manual), I'd be willing to bet the vibration would be reduced or eminate from a different location. I had a bent rim on my '02 TL and it was frustrating as hell.
But of course it sounds like you've already made up your mind that you hate the car and won't try this.
Bottom line - its a great car at a terrific price.
I find the complaints of vibrations to be completely reasonable and the nature of the post to appear honest.
I also thought about a fix of a reflash to change the shift points, but assume Acura would not do this as this may affect MPG ratings, emissions and other regulatory items that would be a nightmare for Acura to go through. If the shift points are a fix for those who sense this problem, I doubt Acura will do this due to the regulatory issues, and these folks probably will need to live with the issue or use SS to shift manually, if the lugging is the issue.
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I had a vibration / rattle noise coming from the back speaker or subwoofer area. I thought it was the subwoofer. I pulled off the carpet cover in the back trunk and found that it was the center seat belt. I put some foam around it and now the noise is gone
I purchased an '06 TL a few weeks ago and have a similar 2-3 Hz vibration problem around 45/50 mph. I only notice it when the left passenger window is down. If the window is up - no vibration. When I'm accelerating at the same time its so bad people in the car get headaches and the car shakes.
I took it in to service and took them for a drive. We also checked another TL on the lot to see if it did the same thing. It did. They said it was an air pressure issue. What this really means is this is an "aerodynamic instability" associated with the TL. Its a fundamental problem with design that should have been caught by Acura in wind tunnel tests before production.
I'm very displeased. Any one have idea how to get satisfaction? Complain to the gov't? Get the car mags to notice this and report? Class action lawsuit?
I doubt that you will get any sympath or satisfaction from any of those avenues.
From you description I am experiencing exactly the same whine sound that you are. It is strange to hear the whine/winding down sound after the car has come to a complete stop. I don't remember this sound when my TL was new, but this could have been from excitement of new car and blasting the surround sound system. If you found out anything please post here. Thanks.
However, other than this issue, I love the TL. Just looking at a Lexus makes me bored.