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Ryan
Roger
i don't mean to beat a dead horse or hang the messenger here, but i gotta pipe up. i too am an engineer - by education anyways, and i've had my share of materials classes. there is no logic in the concept that the frame would bend if you jack the truck up. i too look forward to seeing the article and personally hope that the "one too many 23 ouncers" took their effect and you misread "tundra" as "silverado". as i recall seeing the hydroformed, "ladder" style frame in the brochure, it is symmetrical in the vertical axis. meaning...it should resist the same upward pressure as it does downward pressure. translation - if the frame doesn't bend under the weight of the truck and any associated payload, it stands to reason that it should not bend with the same upward load. in my limited experience with changing flat tires, i recall jack-points typically located with relative proximity to the wheels or axles on the vehicle. thereby, placing the upward load of the jack near the same spot on the frame that the downward load of the vehicle's weight is placed. maybe i'm in denial because i'm having a 4 door delivered in about a month, but...hey...gotta put down my buck and a quarter for the sake of argument. hopefully we'll never have to find out for real...
kyle
Ryan
Mine has no clunk, no vibration, no wind noise, no problem with power ever. I think you're hearing about some problems and assuming incorrectly that they affect more than the .03% of Silverados sold that actually have problems like that.
Mine has not had any of those problems and I am a very demanding person. I DID take mine in for one warranty problem ... actually it wasn't a warranty problem ... the installer for my rear electric slider window broke a tab on the sill plate that let it slip about 1/8" out of place. The dealer replaced it under warranty even though it wasn't their fault. The truck has been absolutely flawless in the 6 months/7500 miles I have owned it. It gets a solid 15-16 mpg city, over 18-20 highway (my high was 21.3) with the 5.3 V8 and 3.73 gears.
All I have done is change the oil (myself) and rotate the tires. And I don't think my sotuation is unusual ... I know Tim has had similar success.
There really aren't any major problems with the Silverado as a line. Stop worrying about it.
Richard
I still liked that old truck and because of that I thought the Tundra was the new truck I wanted – even waited for them to come out. I know this subject has been hammered to death, but Toyota dropped the ball on this one, just like the T100. Almost, but not quite there. They came up with something between a mid-size and full-size, stuck a big V8 in it and somehow thought that made it a full-size. Calling it a full-size doesn’t make it so. The genre was invented by Chevrolet, Ford, and Dodge and if you want to play in that game you have to be at least as large as those vehicles. I still can’t figure out what Toyota was thinking. Why put in a back seat and four doors if no one can realistically sit back there? If it’s just going to be a storage area why bother with seats at all?
Well, it’s all water under the bridge or over the dam....whatever. I’ve got my new truck and so far, so good.
I scratch my head too...But when 3 sources all from different places tell me the same thing...what should I say?...I can not tell you what I hear and only share it to myself? I will have the article tonight if all goes well..
I did mention 4 door problems in the same post...but the frame issue is seperate.
As for overall...I've had experience like Rwag and agree...get over the fear..these are solid trucks overall.
However...I do not think my oil light works...first two changes were way under 3K...and I did the reset thingee anyway..but it did not seem to flash to indicate it took it...now it's been 4200 miles...and still no light. I may go another 2K or so and see if it comes on?
Really no big deal...I change oil when I SAY...not some light..
I'm going to go lie to other people now..
- Tim
I changed the oil at about 2900 mi. The chg oil light had not come on but when I went to reset it so it, there was no acknowlegement of the reset (which there should be). I had not heard of any 2000's that would acknowledge a reset.
Ryan
My buddy is on his third tranny with his chevy. Its an older model (93?) but has a bad track record. The last time he dropped a transmission the chevy mechanic told him that city driving in overdrive and towing in overdrive are the leading causes of tranny failure. Also he told him that mileage improves in the city if you keep the truck in "3" rather than "D". Anybody know anything about this?
Also, do you know if the "low fuel" warning can be reprogrammed to on come when the fuel is actually low and not with 6 gallons left? While I'm at it, it would be nice if the keyless entry unlocked the passenger side door. Especially since that's where the third door is located. Can that be reprogrammed? Thanks, jim
-powerisfun
I'm not calling anybody a liar or questioning
anyone's engineerical skills, but....
Just thought I would stick my two cents in here
on this frame bending issue..... Hope you aren't
too sick of it. But if you jack the truck up by the frame, the load path IS different than if supported by the wheel (or axle). I would still find it incredibly hard to believe that the frame would bend enough to have permanent set.
I am interested to see this article just like everyone else.
Paul
Ryan
Ray t.
I think this thing is like a fruitcake. Only one was ever baked, but it keeps getting passed around!
Roger
Ryan
So I drive 45 miles down the road to another dealer to have anything done. Including looking there first to but a new 2500. Finally went with Greg Stancill, at least he took the order. Nobody else would around here.
Just my 2 cents on warranty work that I don't want to put up with.
Roger
Roger
By the way, here's an oldie but goodie. Seems Ford had a problem with their cars in the mid-50s (don't know if they were pre-war or post-war designs, actually) where the rear quarter panel would bend when the car was lifted with a jack in the rear for tire changing. Top executives and engineers were brought out to anaylze the problem, so the cars could be released on time. Finally, one of the engineers decided to bring in a Chevy to compare designs. They jacked up the Chevy and sure enough, the panel bent.
So the Ford execs said "OK, we're done." If the Chevy does it, then it's ok if the Ford does it.
My friend insistes the story is true. I'm not so sure, but it sounds interesting.
I bought an '88 Ford because the Chevy had new ergonomically designed seats, that they said was what drivers needed. Too hard, and wrong angle for my back. I think they dropped that dumb idea too in short order. My son-in-laws dad had one, that got high centered quite easily. The big "I" beam on the Chevy that kept the cab from hitting the ground, also kept the tires from hitting the ground also. I did not like that truck at all.
Same idiot dealer that I mentioned above was the one that sold it to them. The x-mission went out, under warranty, and they had to pay the bill before he would repair it. Needless to say, he was called every name known to Sailors. And I think lost a lot of business because of that little incident. Serves him right....
Roger
Ryan
I bought a new '70 Olds 442 in Iowa, where I lived. And about 6 months after that I moved back home to No. Idaho. My 442 had a funny feel when the brakes were applied. Stopped the car, but then it would rock backwards. Like I had ran up on a curb and rolled off. At times it would squeek on the right front. I ask him to look at it, and was told that I didn't buy it there, so I had to take it back to my selling dealer. I immediately wrote the GM Regional Representative in Seattle, with explanation of my problems both with car and with the dealer. In a day or two the rep showed up at my house, with the dealer in tow. Took my car drove it all over, but couldn't find problem.
Told me that if it occurred again, take it right up to the dealer. He didn't like it, but he was walking on thin ice at that time. The problem was the upper control arm on the right wheel was loose. Finally wore rivets into, and fell completely off. Wife driving of course. Sorry about the long disertation, but just thinking about the past dealing with that dealer sort of gets me going all over again..
Roger
Is this the old fram thing, or the beam Ford used for their front suspensions? I kind of recall an I-something on the old pache truck my brother-in-law has, but I never heard of it being a problem.
Interesting story about the seats in '88. I have been uncomfortable in some Ford seats (no back support) that I have driven/rented, especially back around '88 when my Camaro was stolen. I never heard that Chevy had any special seats ... they've all been comfortable to me, much more than other brands. (The worst, and known as the worst among many in the industry? Honda. There used to be a term used by my friend at Ford -- also Mazda and now Nissan -- called "Honda Butt" which you get after a long drive in a Honda).
Roger
Where did I learn how to type? Oh, yeah, I never did.
Have a nice day, :-)
Roger
I know , that was'nt nice but needed to break the tension of the wait.
Ray T.
I am supposed to have the article tonight.
They have tested one truck....and they will be getting two more next month to test.
It's friday!
see ya!
- Tim
My buddy is on his third tranny with his chevy. Its an older model (93?) but has a bad track record. The last time he dropped a transmission the chevy mechanic told him that city driving in overdrive and towing in overdrive are the leading causes of tranny failure. Also he told him that mileage improves in the city if you keep the truck in "3" rather than "D". Anybody know anything about this?
Also, do you know if the "low fuel" warning can be reprogrammed to on come when the fuel is actually low and not with 6 gallons left? While I'm at it, it would be nice if the keyless entry unlocked the passenger side door. Especially since that's where the third door is located. Can that be reprogrammed? Thanks, jim
My buddy is on his third tranny with his chevy. Its an older model (93?) but has a bad track record. The last time he dropped a transmission the chevy mechanic told him that city driving in overdrive and towing in overdrive are the leading causes of tranny failure. Also he told him that mileage improves in the city if you keep the truck in "3" rather than "D". Anybody know anything about this?
Also, do you know if the "low fuel" warning can be reprogrammed to on come when the fuel is actually low and not with 6 gallons left? While I'm at it, it would be nice if the keyless entry unlocked the passenger side door. Especially since that's where the third door is located. Can that be reprogrammed? Thanks, jim
Roger
Ray T.
Have a good week-end....;-)
Roger
For the low-fuel light, mine goes on early if I park on hills. Otherwise its ok. Driving on level ground it usually stays on steady with about 4 gallons left, about right for me.
I doubt that mileage imnproves in 3rd rather than D, since the cafe-hungry companies would have figured out a way to make it stay in 3rd to squeeze a couple tenths mpg. I remember back in the early 1990s people saying the same thing about it being easier on the transmission if left in 3rd and there is less shifting so theoretically it would help. But at the same time, the trans place I used to deal with said it doesn't matter and I know no one who actually stays in 3rd, yet most GM transmissions go 150,000 miles with no problems.
My theory is that you get more life out of a transmission if you never change the fluid. Long story behind the theory, but of all the people I know who NEVER change fluid, their transmissions never broke down. Of those that change it on schedule (only one), it broke at 65,000 miles (seal leak keeping overdrive from working consistantly).
I am humored by all the people getting confused between posts regarding frames vs.panels vs. I-beams.
Richard
The frame is designed to transfer load for about 1/4th the area to the wheel. They give you enough frame strength for the load being transferred the to the wheel. Picking up the load at some other location would make it possible to put more stress (load) in an area not designed for the load.
I'm still waiting for my 3/4 ton 4x4 Ext. Cab, anybody else waiting for a 3/4. What's your story, situation?
-Todd
Roger....
Both of those are for FORD....
The low fuel light on mine tripped at 6 gallons the very first time but has been tripping at 4 gallons ever since. I can't say why but that's what I see.
What else don't you like, and have you had any problems?