was for $3.95 at the usual place, so a 26 cent jump in a week. A woman at the next pump was filling up her Envoy and when it was all said & done, $75. Not sure which grade she selected but still...
Most stations have been at $3.97 - $3.99 advertised for 87 octane since Friday;, only a couple are still advertised at $4 or over. It's as if they think if they actually display $4 people will get upset but at $3.99 everything would be fine & dandy.
One thing for sure, these prices haven't caused people to slow down.
at the Gas City near me is advertising 87 octane for $4.15 with E85 at $3.85; diesel was $4.29 I beleive. It's as if this station is pricing regular unleaded based on E85 instead of the other way around - can tell you it's pretty empty when I drive past there twice each day. Just a little ways in both directions there are stations with 87 for "just" $3.99 ~ $4.05 depending on which station you go.
Prices in the city are getting closer to $5 each day, especially downtown.
Well, four dollar a gallon gas has arrived in Philly, but not in my neighborhood. I was driving home from dinner downtown last night, (was my wife's birthday) and noticed $4.12 for Exxon Supreme and $4.09 for 7-Eleven's Brand-X gas, (which is probably a 50/50 mixture of kerosene and water with rocks, sticks, and bugs in it). What is odd is that the neighborhood I passed through is a much poorer one than mine. Why are oil companies gouging those who could least afford it?
Why are oil companies gouging those who could least afford it?
It is the stations that raise the prices in those areas to cover the losses from theft and the cost of added security. Crime costs everyone more money. Even those that can least afford it.
They stand up when they lose a little. Here, people just bend over and go on a Wally World shopping trip to delude themselves away from their decaying surroundings and future.
Most poor neighborhoods in Philly don't even have a supermarket. People must buy from high-priced neighborhood stores, convenience stores, or rely on take-out joints. It's expensive to be poor. The high price of fuel will only hamper poor peoples' access to affordable food. Public transportation? Did you ever try to lug a week of groceries home on a bus? 't'ain't easy!
Not all true. In some instances is due to location, i.e. how easy is it to access the station, distance from a major highway / route, where is the station located to where the tanker trucks are coming from. Also could be due to property or other taxes, equipment age / condition, sales percentage or just down right gouging.
Just because it's a poor neighborhood doesn't mean it's crime-ridden - there is plenty of crime in the 'burbs, just not plastered on the front-page or leading story on the television news.
Blew by the trucking exits in VA the other day advertising $3.55 and wound up paying a dime more. Filled up this afternoon in Hamburg/Buffalo for $3.75 for regular.
Saw a forty plus cent differential between premium and diesel in many areas of Virginia the other day which surprised me. Usually it's just a dime or so most places.
We're in Niagara Falls Ontario tonight but shouldn't need gas until we get back in the US over at Sarnia/Port Huron.
I just filled up my wife's LaCrosse from a little more than 1/2 tank and it was $33! Good thing I've got my Grand Marquis topped off earlier in the week! At this rate, I'll be poaching gas from the lawnmower!
There was a man in front of me with a Chevrolet Silverado truck that looked to be a contractor or tradesman and the pump read $75 for a little more than 19 gallons. I saw the disturbed look on the man's face and how he drove away in dismay.
Good God, these oil speculators and their evil brethren richly deserve to go to a very hot place! I should live a really evil life then kill myself so I can go to hell and look for them. After I'm done thrashing Roger Smith for what he did to my beloved GM, I'm going to find these evil oil SOBs and thrash them for what they did to everybody else! :mad:
> Good God, these oil speculators and their evil brethren
Beyond them, the government devaluing the dollar by printing so many more due to the deficit in order to buy our treasury bill sales is causing the price of real materials to rise and oil is one. If the dollar increased in value back to what is was, the oil would cost less despite the speculation raising it. Add to that a third war destabilizing a small supplier of oil and 108$ is what we get.
In central VA, east of I-81, where I live, diesel is now going for $3.99. RUG at the same stations is $3.63 to $3.65.
I paid $3.60 minus 10 cents off per gallon at Kroger today, using the store's bonus points. Sam's Club (I am not a member) and unbranded RUG at a carwash are going for $3.54, only for cash at the latter.
when you were in London, Ontario, you were dangerously close to the home of my 3rd favorite rock band's home town. The Tragically Hip hails from none other than Kingston, Ontario. London is about what, 30 miles from Kingston, Ontario? Lucky dog, you.
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Beyond them, the government devaluing the dollar by printing so many more due to the deficit in order to buy our treasury bill sales is causing the price of real materials to rise and oil is one. If the dollar increased in value back to what is was, the oil would cost less despite the speculation raising it. Add to that a third war destabilizing a small supplier of oil and 108$ is what we get.
I don't think the American dollar is ever going to go up in value again. I mean lasting rise in value. We've got too many political forces keeping the value of our dollar down, and one of those is our relationship with China. Without turning this into a political debate, I'll leave it at that.
Gas was $3.59 at the Holiday Gas Station in little Hayden, ID, yesterday. I was there getting ghastly after getting a couple of Hankook 215 45R 18" slicks put on my '08 Lancer GTS. Total price for those 2 Hankook's you might ask? $401.04. Whew! Glad I can get 40,000 miles outta my 30,000 radials! Yikes, them are b&&l-busters there! :shades:
The upper half of Lower Michigan is a beautiful drive--but long. I recall parts of Michigan along Rt 23 was mostly bare exchanges without much civilization 40-45 years ago.
The Saudis are cutting back production as they claim there is a glut on the market. That tells me the price we are paying for a barrel of crude is all our dollars are worth. We better get use to the high prices. Filled today at Costco. Cheapest gas in town at $4.05. My local Shell is selling RUG for $4.29. Top price in the City is $5.05 for Union 76 RUG. Diesel varies from $4.29 to $4.85. Premium at the 76 station is $5.25.
I remember driving up Rt 23 in the mid 70s and counting an hour without seeing a car coming the other way. For someone from New Jersey this was quite the shock. I actually liked that quite a bit. Of course when we got to the UP there were even fewer cars....
We are still hanging around $3.65 here. Up in NW Jersey where I grew up it's a good dime more.
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
...where gas is still $3.79 and topped off the Grand Marquis this morning! Too bad I didn't have a whole bunch of 5-gallon cans with me. Time to start hoarding gas.
Probably go bad on you with the 10% ethanol. Most gas cans have a vent that will allow evaporation. That and the safety factor. Just get your wife to take a second job to pay for gas. :shades:
My last two fill-ups have luckily (did I REALLY say "luckily"?) been right under $4: $3.97 & and yesterday's $3.99. Looking at my records from a year ago I'm paying about $1.02 higher, with most of the increase coming within the last couple months.
I came in on an interview Dobbs was doing with the CEO of Chevron and he was stating the rise in oil & fuel is due to the strengthening economy, China going like gang-busters and overall economies doing well. I think the CEO is drinking some of that oil due to:
the REAL U.S. economy is still in the toilet Dollar's more devalued than hotels on Baltic Avenue on a Monopoly board Housing double-dipping like everyone with common sense said it would Unemployment is still rampent China has been & continues to pull back Japan blown and shaken to smithereens
Where are these j/a's getting their info, Faux Business?
I'm with you Lemko, I can't wait to see these you-know-whats in the after-life - I'm going to go Jonah Hex on their :surprise:
These oil specualtors and execs better have their safe rooms ready because I'm about to go medieval on them! The Hell's Angels, Pagans, Outlaws, Crips, Bloods, MS-13, Cosa Nostra, and Russian mobsters will seem like a tea party with Polly Prissypants compared to me!
Funny you should say that. My 2007 Cadillac DTS Performance and 1989 Cadillac Brougham have been in storage all winter. I'd like to take them out but two things ruin it for me - the really crappy weather and the totally insane fuel prices.
Just goes to show how out of touch the guy is. Oh yeah, I just have all this money lying around to buy a more fuel-efficient car. I think those who had the cash already did. What about everybody else?
"Guess what, Barry? I went out to lunch today, stopped by the Toyota dealer, and picked up a new Prius with all the cash I had in my wallet and then went to Burger King for a Whopper and fries."
I would've eaten the cake, but escalating fuel prices have jacked up the price of food as well. Is a stale pie from the thrift bake shop in the 'hood close enough?
I was in DC last night, and the only gasoline price that caught my eye was $4.229 for 93 octane at a Hess station near the intersection of Florida and Rhode Island Aves in NW DC. I'm sure some of the ritzier locales in DC have hit $5/gal, though.
Just goes to show how out of touch the guy is. Oh yeah, I just have all this money lying around to buy a more fuel-efficient car. I think those who had the cash already did. What about everybody else?
I'm tempted to get a more fuel-efficient car sometimes, but the math just doesn't work out. I've only been averaging around 800 miles per month with the Park Ave, and the Silverado is down to around 200 per month.
The running average for the Park Ave is around 21.5 mpg, which comes out to around 38 gallons per month. Even at $5/gal, that comes out to $190 per month.
If I found an economical car that used half the gas, that would be a $95 per month savings. And I have a feeling that the only type of car that's going to get at least 43 mpg in my type of driving is going to be a hybrid. I don't think a cheap little econobox would do it. So I'd be spending a lot of money to save $95 per month!
The pickup is lucky to break 10 mpg unless it gets a highway run, but replacing it makes even less sense, since it gets used so infrequently.
If my situation ever changed, to where I suddenly had a long commute, I'd consider getting something more fuel efficient. But as things currently stand, it just doesn't make sense.
Sounds like the stations on my commute to work & back. Get in a 6:15 it's one price, leave 12 hours later its another and sometimes if I go out at lunchtime (not to eat, just to get out of the building / lab) it'll have a tweener price.
That's why people say everyone's on the take because how is gas that's in the underground tanks all over a sudden jumping 5 ~ 10 cents over the course of a few hours when everything is futures-driven.
Does anyone know why Exxon/mobile is pulling out of Maine? Maine, Ma and NH have adopted CA enviornmental laws and our cars are PZEV what ever that stands for? My 328 I calls for 91 Octane so I fill the tank 1/2 with 89 and the other 1/2 with 93 and it averages out to 91 octane. Someone told me it was on account of the eythenol. :confuse:
OPEC Secretary General Abdullah al-Badri said in Iran on Tuesday that he did not expect crude prices to fall below $100 this year, even though there was no shortage in the market.
Exxon has been getting out of the US retail gas business since 2008. (NPR)
I just cruised through a bit of Canada the other day and was amused to see several Esso stations. My brother was a Tony the Tiger at Esso grand openings 40 some years ago.
Tony the Tiger was the spokes character for Kellogg's Frosted Flakes voiced by none other than Thurl Ravenscroft who is famous for the Xmas Grinch song. I don't know what the Esso/Exxon Tiger's name is/was.
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Most stations have been at $3.97 - $3.99 advertised for 87 octane since Friday;, only a couple are still advertised at $4 or over. It's as if they think if they actually display $4 people will get upset but at $3.99 everything would be fine & dandy.
One thing for sure, these prices haven't caused people to slow down.
at the Sunoco: $3.49/$3.69/$3.79
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Sunoco at Rising Sun and Longshore in NE Philly:
RUG = $3.73
Plus= $3.83
Ultra = $3.93
The last time this crap happened, they at least waited until summer before raping us! :mad:
Prices in the city are getting closer to $5 each day, especially downtown.
It is the stations that raise the prices in those areas to cover the losses from theft and the cost of added security. Crime costs everyone more money. Even those that can least afford it.
At least when Europeans pay high tax-based prices for fuel, they get something in return.
So why are they always rioting and protesting if they have it good?
Just because it's a poor neighborhood doesn't mean it's crime-ridden - there is plenty of crime in the 'burbs, just not plastered on the front-page or leading story on the television news.
Saw a forty plus cent differential between premium and diesel in many areas of Virginia the other day which surprised me. Usually it's just a dime or so most places.
We're in Niagara Falls Ontario tonight but shouldn't need gas until we get back in the US over at Sarnia/Port Huron.
Sunoco at Rhawn and Verree in NE Philly:
RUG = $3.77
Plus = $3.87
Premium = $3.95 :sick:
Ultra = $3.97 :mad:
I just filled up my wife's LaCrosse from a little more than 1/2 tank and it was $33! Good thing I've got my Grand Marquis topped off earlier in the week! At this rate, I'll be poaching gas from the lawnmower!
There was a man in front of me with a Chevrolet Silverado truck that looked to be a contractor or tradesman and the pump read $75 for a little more than 19 gallons. I saw the disturbed look on the man's face and how he drove away in dismay.
Good God, these oil speculators and their evil brethren richly deserve to go to a very hot place! I should live a really evil life then kill myself so I can go to hell and look for them. After I'm done thrashing Roger Smith for what he did to my beloved GM, I'm going to find these evil oil SOBs and thrash them for what they did to everybody else! :mad:
Beyond them, the government devaluing the dollar by printing so many more due to the deficit in order to buy our treasury bill sales is causing the price of real materials to rise and oil is one. If the dollar increased in value back to what is was, the oil would cost less despite the speculation raising it. Add to that a third war destabilizing a small supplier of oil and 108$ is what we get.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Diesel gap went up to $4.39, supply and demand, free markets, and capitalism at work, no doubt.
Regular at the Flying J was $1.34 and diesel was $1.25.
That's a bit over $5 a US gallon for regular.
I paid $3.60 minus 10 cents off per gallon at Kroger today, using the store's bonus points. Sam's Club (I am not a member) and unbranded RUG at a carwash are going for $3.54, only for cash at the latter.
imadazol97-
Beyond them, the government devaluing the dollar by printing so many more due to the deficit in order to buy our treasury bill sales is causing the price of real materials to rise and oil is one. If the dollar increased in value back to what is was, the oil would cost less despite the speculation raising it. Add to that a third war destabilizing a small supplier of oil and 108$ is what we get.
I don't think the American dollar is ever going to go up in value again. I mean lasting rise in value. We've got too many political forces keeping the value of our dollar down, and one of those is our relationship with China. Without turning this into a political debate, I'll leave it at that.
Gas was $3.59 at the Holiday Gas Station in little Hayden, ID, yesterday. I was there getting ghastly after getting a couple of Hankook 215 45R 18" slicks put on my '08 Lancer GTS. Total price for those 2 Hankook's you might ask? $401.04. Whew! Glad I can get 40,000 miles outta my 30,000 radials! Yikes, them are b&&l-busters there! :shades:
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RUG= $3.83
Plus = $3.93
Ultra = $4.03
Is there an Emotorcon showing a car in a hockey mask, carrying a chainsaw, and disemboweling an oil speculator with it?
I drove about 10 hours through Michigan today and regular at most every station was $3.99.
Diesel was running $4.25, so the differential here is getting smaller.
The upper half of Lower Michigan is a beautiful drive--but long. I recall parts of Michigan along Rt 23 was mostly bare exchanges without much civilization 40-45 years ago.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
We were all on the Interstate in the Lower part today, making time toward home.
Filled today at Costco. Cheapest gas in town at $4.05. My local Shell is selling RUG for $4.29. Top price in the City is $5.05 for Union 76 RUG. Diesel varies from $4.29 to $4.85. Premium at the 76 station is $5.25.
We are still hanging around $3.65 here. Up in NW Jersey where I grew up it's a good dime more.
I came in on an interview Dobbs was doing with the CEO of Chevron and he was stating the rise in oil & fuel is due to the strengthening economy, China going like gang-busters and overall economies doing well. I think the CEO is drinking some of that oil due to:
the REAL U.S. economy is still in the toilet
Dollar's more devalued than hotels on Baltic Avenue on a Monopoly board
Housing double-dipping like everyone with common sense said it would
Unemployment is still rampent
China has been & continues to pull back
Japan blown and shaken to smithereens
Where are these j/a's getting their info, Faux Business?
I'm with you Lemko, I can't wait to see these you-know-whats in the after-life - I'm going to go Jonah Hex on their :surprise:
RUG = $3.85 Antisocial!
Plus = $3.95 Criminal!
Ultra= $4.05 Downright Psychopathic!
These oil specualtors and execs better have their safe rooms ready because I'm about to go medieval on them! The Hell's Angels, Pagans, Outlaws, Crips, Bloods, MS-13, Cosa Nostra, and Russian mobsters will seem like a tea party with Polly Prissypants compared to me!
$5 gas in DC?
Still holding at $3.99 here.
"Guess what, Barry? I went out to lunch today, stopped by the Toyota dealer, and picked up a new Prius with all the cash I had in my wallet and then went to Burger King for a Whopper and fries."
I'm tempted to get a more fuel-efficient car sometimes, but the math just doesn't work out. I've only been averaging around 800 miles per month with the Park Ave, and the Silverado is down to around 200 per month.
The running average for the Park Ave is around 21.5 mpg, which comes out to around 38 gallons per month. Even at $5/gal, that comes out to $190 per month.
If I found an economical car that used half the gas, that would be a $95 per month savings. And I have a feeling that the only type of car that's going to get at least 43 mpg in my type of driving is going to be a hybrid. I don't think a cheap little econobox would do it. So I'd be spending a lot of money to save $95 per month!
The pickup is lucky to break 10 mpg unless it gets a highway run, but replacing it makes even less sense, since it gets used so infrequently.
If my situation ever changed, to where I suddenly had a long commute, I'd consider getting something more fuel efficient. But as things currently stand, it just doesn't make sense.
That's why people say everyone's on the take because how is gas that's in the underground tanks all over a sudden jumping 5 ~ 10 cents over the course of a few hours when everything is futures-driven.
hmmmm do they know somethiing we don't (or do)?
In that time, I've put approximately 13,000 miles on the car or around or 6,241 miles a year.
To be conservative, I'll say the car gets a combined 19 MPG.
6,241 / 12 = 520 miles a month.
520 / 19 MPG = 27 gallons @ $4 = $108 a month. Doesn't seem bad in that perspective.
This is where it gets bad:
Wife's Lacrosse has approximately 56,500 miles on it.
She's had it 6.083 years, so 56,500 / 6.083 = 9,288 miles a year
9,288 / 12 = 774 miles a month.
To be conservative, I'll say her car gets a combined 22 MPG.
774 / 22 MPG = 35 gallons @ $4 = $140 a month
Princess doesn't buy gas! I do! So $140 + $108 = $248 out of MY pocket every month! Every dollar increase is another $62 out of my pocket every month!
Still, I don't think anybody could finance a Prius for a piddling $248 a month.
I didn't even factor in the Brougham or DTS which are driven sparingly, even when gas is cheap.
Supply and demand... RIGHT
I just cruised through a bit of Canada the other day and was amused to see several Esso stations. My brother was a Tony the Tiger at Esso grand openings 40 some years ago.