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In Houston area, even some of the upscale neighborhood (River Oak, Memorial, the Wood Land, Sugar Land) did not have that many QX56 either. They do have others: LX570, GL550/450/350, X5.... You might ask how the hell I know? Because I live in one of those and many of my family and friend live in the others.
Like I said in other posts, right now the dealers are trying to sell at MSRP or $1000 or so below MSRP simply because of the supply and demand. The demand is way less than before but the supply is even worse. They don't make as many as before to start with. After 3-6 months, you'll see a lot of them on the dealer lots and it's a buyer market then. If this were a Benz, Lexus, Porsche, or BMW, it makes sense because the owner can use it to show it off. But this is Infiniti and it's, IMHO, the lowest ranking of luxury name out there. You DON"T use it to show off (except in your area of course)
I am still looking for either QX56, LX570/GX460, or GL550/450. GL is the last on the list since it is not very reliable compared to Lexus and Infiniti. If I can get invoice for the QX then I am buying it; otherwise, I am getting either the GX or the LX.
I've looked at many of the 7 passenger vehicles on the market today. I did a look at what I would want (fits my family) regardless of cost to see what's really out there. We looked at everything from the Mazda CX9, Hyundai Vera Cruz, all the way to Lexus LX, MB GL550, Audi Q7, and the Infiniti QX. We really narrowed the field down to the Infiniti, Audi, and MB (for our needs, regardless of whether you think they are competitive) . All are competitively street priced and we shopped for all of them in the DFW area. From an availability standpoint, regardless of the market/economy, both the Audi and Infiniti are in short supply in DFW and close to MSRP is the asking price. We visited sewellgsm's dealership this past weekend and ended up buying one off his incoming list. Deluxe, Tech, and Theater.
I can confirm that they have very few on the ground and lots of interest even with MSRP so they certainly have the "right" to make their money while they can. (Another family basically jumped in the car with us when we brought one back from a test drive so they could be next) I don't think this is a mistreatment of customers or will cause them to lose out with the consumer as it's simple supply and demand. I believe an area where the dealership can lose customers is going to be on fair trade-in value. If they low-ball trades hoping to make extra on both ends on this car, they then have the possiblity of customer backlash. I believe sewellgsm addressed that from his perspective several posts ago, but I should be in a position to comment to the group on that in the next several weeks. While I like this car, I won't be part of that behavior.
I am interested in whether folks are getting the paint protection film and any thoughts on it's usefulness on an SUV? I've seen it work wonders on sports cars low to the ground but not sure the need on a vehicle this tall. Thoughts?
Also any ideas on the incentive APRs post 9/30?
Clear Mask (outside vendor comes in and does them)
Front Bumper: $595
Front part of hood, fenders, side mirrors: $395
Door Edges: $30 each
Rear Bumper: $145
I'll post the new incentives when we get them. I expect the 2.9% to continue.
If someone could let me know their thoughts on this, I'd really appreciate it.
2.9% up to 60 months
3.9% up to 72 months
That is it.
I heard that Infiniti is pushing 140 more units into the Western US - but there are about 80 dealers, so that is only a few each.
I was given the choice of 2 colors and took the one that had most options. Black not available and dealer has all of the accessories available.
Any recommendations on accessories? All weather mats for the winter for sure!
All units will go up $500 plus if you want the Deluxe Pkg - it is going up another $1150 (so $1650 total on those units).
Now, if the dealer has a customers name on the vehicle already - it will be the original price! Including those we are ordering today for Jan. That is good till 10/7/10. But after that the new prices will go into effect.
So, if you were waiting, you may want to rethink that strategy. Even in March or so, IF the dealer discounts the vehicle to you ..... say $1500, you are still paying $150 more than if you paid MSRP now (on a Deluxe pkg QX).
If you have not driven it - you need to - the vehicle is awesome.
I am not sure if the 2rd row bench is an option or standard? The dealers only have ones with the captain's chair. With 4 kids, I prefer a 2nd row bench...
qx56man, can you provide the dealer and sale person info please? Thanx.
Can you please let me know the city and dealer.
Thanks
Personally, I wouldn't pay for MSRP. Just wait few months, I'm sure the price will drop a bit.
If you have a buying or shopping experience, please post it.. otherwise, please keep your keyboard in your pocket..
Thanks!
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Great for the long road trip as well, handled the crowd comfortably and mileage was very good for load and speed I was driving.
I love this vehicle, it truly is a replacement for a large luxury car in addition to being best in class SUV to my knowledge. 6500 miles on mine already and no issues at all. This black/black beauty with bench second row and entertainment/ delux touring and tech packages is one great improvement over the others in this class.
Invoice went down $2500 from last week with the car being loaded with Deluxe touring, Technology, Theater, Illuminated Kick Plates, Roof Rail Crossbars, Stainless Steel Rear Bumper Protector, Carpeted Cargo Mat, Cargo Net & First Aid Kit, Moonroof Wind Deflector & Vehicle Alarm Impact Sensor.
People, don't fall for the cheap salesman talk. I'm sorry, but it appears many of you are. If you are looking to buy a 60K+ vehicle, then I am sure you have some business sense. Use it.
1. Don't buy 'paint protection'. It's a rip-off. Plain and simple. Wax your car, heck, even use Klasse Sealant on it before waxing it if you really want to. It's the same thing. Go read up on the Meguiar's forums for some real car care/detailing advice.
2. Don't let some salesman tell you what these cars are going for. It's a flat out LIE. I bought a 2010 QX56 FULLY loaded 2WD with Tech, 8 miles on it, in the plastic, back in January of this year for LESS than 51K OUT THE DOOR. This was back in January!! This price was at least 5K less than the best price that some of these General Sales Managers were pitching as "the best discount you will ever see on these!!". Low ball whoever you need to to get the price you want. You will get it eventually. It took about 6 extra emails and I saved myself 5K. Just like that. The salesman in this forum are only creating a false demand that is simply NOT TRUE.
Someone earlier mentioned they bought a 2011 for around 800 over invoice. It is completely within reason to be able to pick one of these up for around that or up to a max of 1200 over invoice right now. It may not be in your home town, and you may have to drive a couple hundred miles, but it's a real deal that can be had.
Don't let salesman on these forums think that you are getting a good deal when you buy at 1K under MSRP!
Good luck.
I think the price is going down slowly. I am waiting until the end of the year and get mine.
I'm personally waiting for the VPP to be applied to this vehicle so i will be working from the "invoice" price plus potential customer cash incentives. Yes, i do understand that it may not be applied to this "new" vehicle for a while but for 5-10K+ off, I'm willing to play the waiting game
FYI, check out the different savings from various VPP programs:
"friends" and extended family 2010: http://www.insidenissan.com/monthly_cplan_infiniti.html
"friends" and extended family 2011: http://www.insidenissan.com/monthly_cplan_infiniti_2011.html
Go back and look at previous post. Most dealers were taking $10-$11k off the MSRP on the 2010 (Infiniti had $7k dealer cash) that was normal, so getting an 2010 for under $51k was normal. However, it is normal that right now the 2011 are going for MSRP or right around there. This is not a "lie".
You are comparing two totally different situations.
Only reason I respond is you are advising people to go around "low balling" - they would be wasting their time. Supply vs Demand.....one day it will sway back and the price will come down....but probably around March or so.
PS Have you ever considered the higher the dealers are selling the 2011, the more your 2010 holds its value? If we discount the 2011 by say $5k like you suggest, then your 2010 goes down $5k....ummm business sense.....
One last thing - this in a National site - I am speaking for the Southwest, maybe where you live things are different.
The first thing I pointed out is that American Express auto purchase program (a national program) also offers 2K+ off MSRP so 3K off MSRP is not unreasonable for a buyer to ask for. If you think that's low balling then you need to reach out to American Express and let them know that they are cutting into your profit margin.
Another thing i pointed out is that the Nissan/Infiniti VPP program out there provides discounts to friends, extended family, business associates and employees. This is also a national program that everyone should investigate and see if it's something they can take part of.
Indeed 2010 vs 2011 is a big difference at a specific point in time. The point of sharing both of the 2010 and 2011 incentives from VPP is to help people estimate what *may* the 2011 incentive look like the same time next year. Just a way to help people plan accordingly with their own budget if they are willing to take a leap of faith that the incentive trend will be fairly consistent from year to year. By no means i'm asking them to demand 2010 incentives on a 2011 vehicle right now. If they are dumb enough to interpret that from my post and show up at your dealership with that demand then I have no doubt that your sales skill can easily persuade them to pay full MSRP :P
As for cars holding its value. For the people that purchased the vehicle for invoice price, the vehicle will hold its true value longer than those that paid MSRP. Business sense is only necessary when you're the business owner; Common sense on the other hand is for everyone else.
Again, you're absolutely right about supply and demand but we the buyer ultimately controls the demand while the sellers will continue to influence the demand by controlling supply, creating a better product or creating a bigger hype (by posting on "buying and leasing experience" forums)
For the record, when i do buy my QX56 sometime next year if and when the VPP finally applies to QX56, I will have no doubt that I will take it to Sewell for service as you guys are without a doubt the best for your customer service but I have to admit that i was shocked to see how hard Sewell is trying to influence everyone on this board when people are simply trying to educate each other.
Here is a quote you made on February 6, 2010, about a month AFTER I bought mine.
"$10k off seems to be the going sale price on all QX - regardless of equipment. You may get a few hundred more off a demo or just playing hard ball, but that is where they are selling. And 10k off is assuming all the dealer cash, so no lease or special rates at that price."
Direct from an Infiniti PDF-
2010 QX56 MSRP 56,050
Entertainment Package 1,700
Tech Package 1,150
Tow Package 350
Cargo mat net 95
Total = 59,345
I paid 47,062 (exclusive of tax, tag and title). That was brand new, still in the plastic, with 8 miles on the odometer.
That's 12,283 less than MSRP.
That's a 2,283 difference from "10K".
If I had listened to you, I would have left AT LEAST 2.3K on the table.
That's a good chunk of change.
Luckily, actual buyers posted their REAL prices paid which allowed me to get to that number.
My dealer in my hometown was dealing based on 7K off of MSRP and after extensive negotiation, wouldn't budge more than 9K off of MSRP.
I drove 240 miles and was able to save at least 3.3K from the best deal I was able to get in my hometown. And remember, I bought mine back in the middle of January 2010, at least a month before you said "10K seems to be the going rate".
The point is that you as the seller are here trying to sell at the highest price possible, while we, the buyers, are trying to buy at the lowest price possible.
As mentioned earlier by another person, you would not be here posting on this forum if your sales were that good. You aren't posting in this forum to make us, the buyers, get the best deal, and you aren't posting here looking out for us buyers.
You are only spreading inaccurate and unnecessary information and rumors with the intent to make us, the buyers, pay more than we should.
Period.
AMEX program is powered by ZAG (who also powers USAA, Overstock, etc) - it is simply a marketing tool. We, the dealers, pay them money to get you, the customer, into our dealerships. Go to any dealer with that piece of paper and say you want your $2k off and watch them talk their way out of it - saying that they are not participating in the program on the QX.
I send the prices I'm willing to sell the vehicles for to ZAG, they take my prices along with about 10 other dealers and come up with an average - and they call it a "Target Price". Again - a way you can get an idea of what to expect to pay. On all the other lines (FX, G, M etc.), you will get real close to that maybe even below it - but not on the QX right now.
When it is eligible for VPP, come buy it from us at invoice (VPP price) - I promise you will like the experience. I'm not trying to influence, I'm just telling the truth and sometimes the truth stinks. I too am trying to educate, go test what I'm saying and report back. Have a nice weekend - Go Rangers!
If that is all they can get for them up there - I guess they got to do what they have to do.
I'd love to go out of state if it saves me a few thousand. Because of the low inventory, dealers in Portland, Idaho etc. already have customers lined up for the 3-4 cars they are expecting.
Any tips other than wait. :confuse:
To address a few points:
- All members are welcome to post here... salespeople included, as long as the discussion is on-topic.
- A good way to tell if your post is off-topic? If the subject of the post is another member, rather than the QX56, then you are probably off-topic.
- Posts complaining about other members being off-topic... are off topic.
Anyone with a buying experience?
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Just wait and with the money you save, take a road trip vacation in your new truck
Many of these QXs are already sold to customers or custom orders but Infiniti doesn't get to count the "sale" until they are contracted. Dealer must have vehicle to contract.
So, if availablity in your area has been low, check with your local dealer this weekend. More supply on the ground may lead you to better deals as well.
http://www.infinitiforum.net/infiniti-forum/showthread.php?s=57e18198a28589b3844- b144447bd161a&t=5758
the first one got $1K above invoice and the other one got $3900 off of MSRP. Wow!
Get ready to deal in December