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"NHTSA also wanted to allow less room between an occupant's head and the headrest, but agreed to allow five more millimeters of space because automakers were concerned that consumers would be uncomfortable."
Hear hear!
Also... a thought: the US may 'de facto' rule the world, but whoever did not vote for any part of the US government presumably has no interest in adhering to whatever rules they come up with for their citizens. So hopefu;ly this will mean a US version that's uncomfortable, and an international version that's more comfortable...
Regarding neck injury: if on impact, the neck becomes bent at that angle, that is probably dangerous. The angle is unnatural in any situation. And while many cars have an angle, not one has this degree.
Yes, federal regulations require the headrest be positioned closer to the head. However, in this case the manufacturer has moved the headrest from perfectly aligned with head and neck in the Discovery, to too far forward for safety of comfort.
Thank you for the reply michaelwillems..Now what do we do?
Anyway, the fact is you'll never get a design that works well for everyone. But, even with safety standards, designs don't have to be "uncomfortable" for the majority of drivers.
I do agree the LR3 should at least have "up/down" adjustable headrests in the front, though... similar to RRS or Range Rover design... maybe that would help.
Mmm. Live with it I guess. I have in fact noticed this since day one but since I have no choice, I can live with it. I did adjust the seat back to angle it further back - that's the only thing you can do.
Michael
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Steve, Host
But as you say - get used to it. Like to the compulsory FBI Copyright Warning every world citizen has to watch every time they start a DVD, even though the FBI has no jurisdiction where they live... :-)
What I wonder, though, if this is not all somewhat counterproductive. To keep my head from being very uncomfortable, I angle the seat back way further than I would like - presumably that has some effect on safety, and presumably that effect is not positive.
Mmm. May work. I've tried the back control., the one that pushes into your back (did you all know that existed?) but that did not do it for me. Pad is an idea, for sure.
Any one knows when the new year's model is going to be released?
Any news/gossips about what is new in the new year's model?
Shocked I asked - "what the hell is that about" ? Answer: They were all used extensively during the dealers' off-road event two weeks ago, and these 4 spent too much time in the mud pit.
These 4 vehicles were so packed with mud that the starters, alternators, radiators, control modules for the tranny and t-cases, and some other parts yet to be determined, got "cooked" to the point of burning out. The service guys are going to try to get some damage covered under warranty - but ?? Some parts are also not available - so, the advice given to me was - "stay out of the mud with the LR3" or you'll be walking.
Many hope Sirius will become an optional '06 feature, like it is for the '06 Range Rover Sport & Range Rover. It would really be dumb of Land Rover not to offer it, since they share stereos designs. (You listening Land Rover?)
Do you know if the flash memory can be used to retroactively install satellite radio in the '05 LR3? There was some talk fron the vendor that features could be added later. Currently have an xm receiver mounted and it looks great but, still, it would be nice to shelve it....
Send your feedback that you'd like to see an integrated Sirius dealer install accessory... and to at least offer it as "factory" option on 2006, too.
The spare is outside underneath the LR3's cargo area. Full-size spare is optional in North America as part of the Heavy Duty Package.
Steve, Host
The workaround is that I have to press AM, CD, and then AUX. I consistently get no hum. Let us know if this workaround works for you.
You might want to control the volume as AM and CD are much louder than AUX.
PS: I have a Creative Nomad 60 GB Xtra and I love it. It fits perfectly in the notch the right side of the center console. Until they get ipod functionality like Mercedes Benz, this is the next best thing.
6700 miles and no problems. Would definitely recommend. Love the room, adequate power, and functionality.
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I looked today and notice the extra wear on right inside edge. Just wondering has any one else noticed the wear. It's easy to see the difference since Good Year was nice enough to put some squiggly lines in the tread
As a rule of thumb, equally excessive wear on the inside or outside edges of both front tires is usually attributed to an incorrect toe setting. Wear on the inside or outside edge of just one tire is usually caused by either a camber or castor problem. If it's a castor problem it will usually be accompanied by a steering pull to one side or the other.
From your description, it sounds as though it could be an incorrect toe setting, accompanied by a castor issue as well. Don't forget that once the steering alignment is properly corrected and the tire wear returns to normal, the existing wear pattern on the tire won't correct itself and return to normal (tires aren't self healing ).
Steve, Host
Let me know if anyone else has had this done and if it solved the problem.
Side note, the trip continuance service is great and they gave me another LR3 during the entire time.
Steve
I expect the dealer to be able to solve the problem as its not acceptable by any means.
We are new to the forum and also new LR3 owners having just purchased an 05 LR3 HSE7 in Buckingham Blue (new colour as i was told the Adriatic was dropped from the colour palette option for not being dramatic enough..fine by me as this one is near black but with a slight hint of blue). We were cross shopping the XC90 and the X5's but decided on the LR3 (as a child i always wanted a defender), as the Volvo's and Bimmer seemed so common. The options also were a factor as we didn't really have to add anything to the LR3.
My question (sorry if it has been answered already) is the locking rear differential a necessity and is the truck's offroad capabilities reduced by lacking this heavy duty package. Also, is it available only as an aftermarket dealer installation or can i go to essentially any mechanic and have it installed (as it is obviously a differential)
We're not planning on the Paris/Dakar or the Rubicon anytime soon but we do plan on utilizing this in the Bavarian Alps Region (softer offroad trails, tall grass, pastures, streams etc) Basically, the LR3 was not bought to do trips to the local mall
Thanks in advance to anyone who answers
On a side note, if hardcore off-road isn't a priority... the Volvo XC90 V8 is pretty good... it also has 7 seats, has good cargo volume (unlike X5) and is lighter and quicker than LR3.
Steve, Host
This was the reason i asked as with all these newer electronic nannies, i wonder how much it necessitates the two differential rather than just the center with Terrain Response and/or both. My curiousity stems from the old argument of whether all wheel drive is the same or equal to cars with rear wheel drive (Bmw) aided by a wheel slip control like DSC. In the snow, my car has been quite unflappable with the combination of snow tires and DSC, minus the allwheel drive mechanicals of thier "ix" series of cars, "quattro" for audi, or "allrad" from Subaru. No fear though, this won't be used as the typical grocery getter of which 95% of it's ilk seem to be used for.
This was a tough decision as all the trucks tested, i found them very capable. The Volvo ended up at the bottom of the list due to NVH and an engine that didn't seem to be in the right gear. (not a fan of auto transmissions) It appeared that the car actually had less torque than the LR3 and highly boosted steering. The BMW (of which i'm used to the driving dynamics of the brand..and all inherent bimmer problems )was quite tenacious off road in non extreme conditions and a better driver on the tarmac. LR3 won by the virtues of it's optioned out price, drivability, capabilities and capacities.
I've also done the same track with the Discovery II and it had serious problems (3 out of five could not make it to the top, and those which did had to have a lot of speed with lots of thrown rocks), as did numerous Jeeps and other "off-roaders". So, don't worry - you are in a very capable vehicle...
Lockers are really useful on steep rocky inclines because even though front wheels may have grip, the weight is shifted mostly to the rear and the frontwheels may just spin. I don't know if the LR3 system senses and compensates for incline angle. An engaged locker can make control quite difficult on good pavement because the differential function, important when turning, is defeated. You have to know when and how to use a locker or it can get you into trouble.
Have been seriously considering the purchase of an HSE LR3 however, after reading the problems that new LR3 owners are having, I am having second thoughts, what is the collective opinion of the quality of a 50K vehicle. Please advise, thanks Chas
It's hard to recommend any vehicle to someone with a zero tolerance for defects, as all manufacturer are capable of supplying a lemon.
Driving on salty sand will take a severe toll on any vehicle. You might want to consider something more basic that's pre-owned, and that's already taken it's initial depreciation hit.
Anyway, besides this issues which, just like you, are not sure if are related, I do have another one... gas mileage! Considering my driving habits and same road conditions, plus 5 years in a RR HSE4.6 followed by another 5 years in a Disco II 4.0, both did the same exact mileage to my knowledge, and expected my v8 LR3 to be either the same of a bit... (just a bit !) better mileage... sad disappointment until know, not only is about -10 to -15% worst but with the reduced 2 gallons or 9 liters in the tank the city driving autonomy just got poorer. I am expecting to have the local dealer to loan me a demo V8 to test my self if my 9 mpg city driving and max. 14 in highway are a normal LR3 performance of there might be an issue with my LR perhaps related to the problems explained at the beginning? Hopefully this also could be fixed at least partialy with a software upgrade... should I keep my hopes or just start praying?
Anybody out there with similar problems.
The car can do the same without lockable rear diff - it just means the other systrems have to kick in, which are less efficient (brakes on spinning wheels = energy loss). Not a problem if you do not spend all day with only one wheel gripping. Believe me: Do not worry!