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As a consumer, you can make informed choices, but without all the facts, it's a little more difficult.
Oh, the two-piece "bra" is $100 plus tax but it hasn't arrived yet. My guess, like everything else, it may be a few more weeks.
Still loving our ST.
thanks
Once I'm finally done tooling around town soaking up the looks and showing it off to some friends, I'll post my comments.
Happy happy day!
The cover is a Ford product part #99501A42 and lists for $199.00. It snaps on to a rail frame. No drilling is required and only takes minutes to install and to un-snap when you want to carry bulky loads. The cover is black heavy gauge vinyl and looks good.
prices shaping Up????"
Am I getting a fair shake? I think so given how popular this vehicle is... Oh, and is the Prairie Tan Leather really tan, or is that sort of funky grey color?
The $2 a gallon made it to us !!!!
We actually got it for less than cost when you factor in the deal we got on our trade. The dealer suggested that we sell our F-150 in the paper, bring our buyer to the dealership, they would call our truck a "trade" and see it to him for the price we agreed upon. I ended up saving $1450.00 in sales tax.
The negotiated price for the ST was $800 over cost (saw the invoice), so I figured I actually got it for net $600 under invoice. Funny numbers, but they do add up.
Evergreen Ford, Issaquah WA, currently has about 12 in stock, all colors.
We really like ours. HTQ (head turning quotient) is VERY HIGH.
For those of you who recently inquired about Buffalo area dealers, I got mine at Al Maroone Ford & paid dealer invoice. I actually live in Rochester but made the hour drive to get a better deal. The #*@$ Rochester Auto Collection couldn't come near the price and estimated 10-12 weeks or more to receive one that was ordered. Well worth the drive.
I am currently looking for a ST in AZ. Where did you purchase your ST and what options and price did you get? Did you buy it through Costco?
From roughly 3 hours driving around town on a few errands today I'd have to say I LOVE IT!! And so does everyone I show it to.
I'd like to offer some agrees and some disagrees with what some have posted here...
Everyone is absolutely right about the head-turning. Stoplights, in traffic, etc - you feel like everyone is checking you out. I'm actually afraid someone is going to WRECK! I am not kidding you would think this was actually made of gold (and not just painted gold).
I definitely noticed what some have called a 'shimmy' turning the wheels tightly at idle. As soon as you give it more gas though, it smooths right out. The idle does seem very low and after it breaks in I might get the dealer to adjust it.
The gas cap door ever so slightly touches the inside edge but I don't think it will cause problems. Feels like plastic against plastic not painted metal against painted metal.
I guess it depends what people are used to but this truck rides quieter than any vehicle I have owned - and I certainly can't hear any wind noise even at 65-70. If the mirrors make noise I don't hear 'em.
Even if it were noisy its quite easy to drown that out with the superb 6-disc premium stereo. I have to tell you that it sounds easily better and louder than most other factory systems I've heard from any mfr. And, actually it sounds much cleaner and more natural than many after-market systems (and I've had many from Pioneer, Kenwood, Clarion, etc.) The bass is actually pretty decent and you can really feel it, I may add a subwoofer (somewhere) but it honestly sounds fantastic already and probably won't be worth the hassle or lost storage space.
Ok sorry for hogging so much space here but I'm really happy and excited here - thanks a ton to all the people posting stuff!! Hope all of you shoppers get one, and rock on to all of us that already have 'em!
I ordered a FULLY loaded (minus tonneau, due to availability) Estate Green 4x4. Overall, the process was simple with this dealer, Hub Ford - owned by AutoNation USA. The sales team was Scott Easton and Gerry Steinburg. I dickered about the extra fees such as gas($28), FDAF ($130 ad fees) which were on the invoice but they wouldn't budge. They also wouldn't budge on the Dealer Charge ($289). I think those fees are garbage since the dealer is making PURE profit on the holdback (on this vehicle the holdback is $918.90 of PURE dealer profit).
Anyway, with a vehicle as HOT as the ST, I really couldn't nickel and dime these guys when they were pretty much the only dealer out of the Metro ATL area that would do one for $500 over invoice.
I did talk to someone at Banner Ford who said they would do $500 over, but he did not return phone calls after saying that. (probably got chewed my manager)
I am including my breakdown of what I am paying to help others. I think it is ridiculous that some dealers are charging $3,000 over MSRP calling it "Limited Production Markup".
This vehicle's MSRP is $30,630. My price was $28,072 (plus the tax and junk fees). I basically saved $2879 out the door! Here is break down and I hope this helps all future ST buyers:
26,839 with ALL options (minus tonneau)
130 FDAF (ad fees)
28 gas (cheap bastards)
575 destination charge
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27,572 *INVOICE*
+ 500 Over invoice
+ 289 dealer junk fee
+ 89 title/tags, etc
+ 1707 6% sales tax
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30,157 out the door - when it comes in!
To all the people looking to purchase a ST, do your homework and don't pay more than $500 over invoice (1.8%). There will be a dealer out there that will do it for $500. Mostly they are the less volume, out of the way dealers. Don't worry about how the service departments will treat you if you didn't buy it from them. Definitely do not let the dealer put their sticker on your new car. You already paid the ad fees and the Ford logo is plenty of advertising. I despise those dealer decals.
It has been great to come to this discussion board late at night and read the posts everyone has contributed. Thank you to everyone and I will keep y'all posted on the delivery info.
How can I get that free Ford Outfitters stuff?
Well, I am off to make room in the garage for this puppy. It is much longer than my 96 Explorer Sport (which is for sale by the way!).
Happy driving with your ST's!
Was wondering if anybody (diehard) like myself is also waiting for their ordered ST to arrive with the Tonneau Cover? Last I heard June 21st was the date of something regarding the Cover. Has anybody ordered a ST with the Cover? If so what has your dealer told you about arrival dates?
Thanks for a great forum
This is a great site thanks for all your posts. They have really helped me. I am going to order an ST. How much of a deposit do the dealers require if any? Thanks for the help. Tina
The status update as of Thursday was that the tonneau cover release date is June 19th & my ST's build date is therefore June 19th.
My Contour SE will have to play SUT for a few more weeks. The Yakima roof rack, rebuilt since last year when it unclipped from the roof, is now screwed into the door sills (the weatherstripping hides the screws when the rack is off). The Contour has no rain gutters or anything positive for the rack to clamp to. I couldn't risk the two 17 ft sea kayaks tumbling onto the highway again this year when disspite the straps front & rear, the whole rig slid off the side of the car. We took the boats out, bolted & strapped to the max for transport & had a blast tooling around the Thimble Islands for the weekend.
I'm looking forward to having the right tool for the job...An Estate Green 4x4 ST!
My dealer asked for a $500 deposit and I asked him if I could put down $300. I already had a pre approval from Ford Credit. You can do this online at Fordcredit.com. The dealer knew I was serious so they didn't mind dropping the deposit to $300. I told them I was going on vacation and if they can let me get away with $300 that would be nice of them. PUT IT ON A CREDIT CARD!
Hope this helps.
Anyone know about the white gauges?
Sport Trac? Is it the same as the 99 or 2000 4.0
explorer?
Any other performance ideas would be great!
thanks,
Jim
4x4 st
The Dealer also said he heard that they were going to stop soon, if not already, for the model year 2001. Has any one else heard this?
Black faced gauge to white faced gauge conversions have been an aftermarket niche mainly with mini truck & [non-permissible content removed] tunner cars for years. It would be ironic but wouldn't surprise me if white face gauges continued their growth in popularity & black faced gauges became the aftermarket choice.
wpoe,
I've heard that there will be a production shutdown soon on the ST. No changes indicated for the 2002 ST though.
According to posts in the Dodge Dakota QC forum, Dodge stopped taking orders for 2000 QCs on May 5th & won't have the 2001 models out until the fall. The Dodge dealer I spoke to indicated that their holdup was not due to model changes or production capacity but CAFE (corporate average fuel economy) ratings for the year. Essentially, they'd need to sell more Neons in order to produce more QCs.
The K&N filter is rated as a lifetime unit (cleanable) that's supposed to offer better airflow & therefore more power. It's more of an oil coated cloth corrugated element rather than dry paper element that's argueed to catch more small particles than a paper filter. K&N has been a quality aftermaket supplied for street bikes for years.