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Hyundai Sonata 2006-2007



  • A late Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year!; docjosh. The stripping is a little over .25 inch wide, maybe even .5 inch. I'd post a picture except, for the life of me, I can't figure how to do it on here. The sales persons at my dealership were marveled at it when it was in for an oil change recently. To my eye it really dresses up the front end.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 13,561
    I really don't see how the Accord is worth paying the extra money. being realistic take the name plates off and most people wouldn't notice much of a difference.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata.

  • Merry Christmas!
    First, I want to say that I'm not a representative of Hyundai-Kia motors nor officially involving this forum.
    I'm sorry I can't say when exactly the Sonata will be renewed in interior nor will get the folding side mirrors and so on.
    As you know, almost all features you mentioned are already developed and affordable for the Sonata technically.
    However, Sonata is not a high-end luxury sedan but a competitive mid-sized sedan in the U.S market. I think it depends on the regional preferences and the cultural differences, for example, cars in Korea are kind of symbols of success so that the target buyers tend to reveal themselves through the luxury-looking car or some features like chrome moldings all around the bumpers and doors instead of safety features. That's why Korean cars are unnecessarily expensive. Simply, if you want a side airbag, you must go to the highest trim level.
    On the other hand, there are standard features like (electronic) folding O/S mirrors since Korean parking lots are very very narrow and putting it results an increase in cost at last.
    But I don't mean it is unnecessary in the U.S market.
    It is kinda marketing issue and will be applied to the car gradually.
    Adding and deleting some features are not big deal compared to the interior renewal. It is not a one-day work.
    It needs thousands of new designs, lay-outs and it's surveys, tests, manufacturing, estimations and so on.
    Actually interior designers had considered a lot before 06 Sonata came out. It got the best score among design concepts from domestic and the U.S customers in the clinic.
    In reality, I've heard that some like it and some don't.
    But we've got the point from the survey and it is in progress even though it is a time consuming process.
    I wonder I gave you a proper answer.
    Again, there is an official route, HMA. And I don't have an authority to answer you officially. I'm just involving this forum for listening to your voice and to find out the best way to make better cars technically as an engineer.
    Thank you!!
  • Yeah, I immediately removed the words Hyundai and Sonata LX when I got my car because I like a smooth rear fascia. Also removed the stupid dealer's decal which he sticks on all his cars. Only thing on the car now is the word V6 and of course the crooked "H" (both front and rear)so now I suppose, some people assume it is a Honda of some sort. Personally, I'm glad it is a Hyundai.
  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    But what can you do about world peace for us?
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "I really don't see how the Accord is worth paying the extra money. being realistic take the name plates off and most people wouldn't notice much of a difference."

    First off on the exterior looks the Sonata may have the similar rear end treatment of the 03-04 Accord but I feel like the Sonata's rear is done more tastefully than that of the 03-04 Accord's. Secondly, the 06 Accord has different rear than the Sonata does because Honda changed the back clip of the 06 Accord's.

    Finally, yeah while I think the Sonata looks better than the current generation Accord the Accord still has a better interior than the Sonata. I was hoping maybe Hyundai will upgrade the interior plastics on a mid-cycle refresh(maybe 08 or 09)for the Sonata. If not I'll look elesewhere. No big deal.
  • who have lived past 40 (some nearly 60) years.

    first, I'll mention Hyundai products:
    in june of 98, my mother in-law and myself went looking for a car for to replace a 92 cavalier.
    She got a 1 year old mazda protege dx(still has it, but her driving abilities are poor, so she also got a used Tracker, as she insists on 4wd now,"to be safe").
    Before this,we test drove a 98 elantra. It actually had drivers and passenger seat adjusters, like the XG350 has/had.
    Do not recall if this was an optional thing, or what.
    By 99, that adjustable passenger seat deal for elantra was history.
    I had a 98 for about 10 days due to an accident, and they felt better built, and faster on take off than the newer models(I read the elantra 0-60 is 9.1 to 9.5 for the current model).
    Old one felt faster, even if it wasn't.
    It's like this, when sales are good, you get less, either in content, NVH, or somewhere, maybe like Price?

    Big 3: sales are good, prices are higher. Sales are bad, then turn to Red Tag!
    Knock 2-5K off msrp, and people will buy(the top of the line models).
    Top of line = more cash in their pockets, no matter what brand of vehicle it is.

    Like my 90 sentra: thing was built like a tank. Nowadays? right... crumple zones, wrap around bumpers= more $$$ if you get in a 5 mph accident. Crack the bumper= tons of cash for repair and the makers of the bumper,etc.

    They make things to break worse than in 1990! Ford escort, in a 1981 NHSTA (think NHSTA) film, they showed on Dateline, had perfect score when it ran 5mph into barriers with it's bumpers(stuck out from the cars body). Nothing wrong.
    Run into a steel pole at 5mph today, with anything short of maybe a real truck(bumper) and you are talking 1-3K repairs(and ya know they hope ya go to the dealership for repairs and parts).

    Sorry i digressed from the topic at hand.

    Just get fed up with" oh, Federal Regs is why we may collapsible vehicles".. right. I did just fine with seat belts and solid real bumpers on the 90 sentra, and got 33-37mpg.
    (one excuse is they need to use light weight materials, lighter bumpers to meet the fuel regs... my car made em, and then some, 15 years ago, and the car was solid as a rock, no leaning against the car door and denting it nonsense).

    Anyhow.... for anyone who reads this, if ya are from Hyundai(on an older fan site, from a few years ago, one guy actually came out with a hotmail addy, and asked for opinions for 6 weeks, and even replied. was he real? i dunno. But you can bet they monitor opinions, all of the companies do)... 1) start making your cars akin to the show cars/concept cars, like the Big 3 are doing, and toyota,etc... this water em down does not help retain customers. 2) Chinese automakers are coming, and will be good, many experts believe , within one generational change up of their vehicles... and they will be here in 07-09 selling.... and by 2015, might = Hyundai.... remember that when the penny pinchers decide to maybe put 100lbs of less insulation in the firewall, to put tupperware like plastics under the dash, parts customers do not readily see on a daily basis,etc... or V6 that say 30 mpg and get only 25.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    ...start making your cars akin to the show cars/concept cars, like the Big 3 are doing...

    You are right, that is off-topic, but since you brought it up: I guess you haven't seen the Hyundai show car that is a 6-passenger crossover vehicle, a hybrid no less--and which is slated for production next year (maybe not as a hybrid though). Also, the Accent GSi that is coming early next year was a show car, and is coming to us nearly intact.
  • Go to the home page of this web site-go to news. There are two pics of the (alleged) new Camry. It may look like a Lexus (which it is) ut really reminds me of the wonderful 06 Sonata we all drive.
    this page has tons of links to AW,Pix,etc, w/links 2 other sites, about Frankfurt show car, Accent SR, 200HP turboed, and this is supposedly the version they got in Europe.

    The version we get is not what one would call 100% "thrilling".

    And at 156-158 inches long, well, if it is akin in size to the rio5 I saw, it looks small even in comparison to the Rio sedan(at 167 or so inches Total Length).
    Around here, that is akin to taking your life in your own hands, driving anything under 170 inches TL.
    Even then.... still have a lot off the folks who have an 8 ton vehicle, they got pre-2 and 3 dollars per gallon for gas,and can't afford to dump them. And they tend(not all) to drive like they own the roads.
    Road Rage, perhaps? I dunno.

    The Azera looks ok, but nothing like this,

    FWD, V8,too? Back in 02, it was rumored to be the slightly larger(like Azera) XG350 replacement(and not luxury car, like this thing seems to indicate on the home page?).

    RWD for next car above Azera.

    Lot of people liked that HCD-7....even people who would never consider a Hyundai before they saw this.
    Reminds me of how Chrysler has developed their cars, design wise, like the 300?

    Build Em, and people will buy!
    People will buy anyway, but could there be more people who would take a car like HCD-7 over say Azera, or Sonata, for 30K ?

    One last note: not bashing Hyundai, just saying that when I had the 99 Sonata and the 04(besides some NVH changes) they both stood out in my area, mainly Big3, a few Camry's, Accords, and Hyundai's(big lack of Mazda,Nissan here, for some reason,and more Mitsu Eclipses-older ones, and a few Forenza/Reno sedans).
    Not so much.
    tC stands out. No one owns one. No one knows what it is!
    Sonata, my neighbors, were like' what is that?"

    Now? I dunno.
  • "Sorry i digressed from the topic at hand."

    Your whole post digressed from the topic which is 2006 Sonata. All I could derive from this is that you once test drove an Elantra 7 or 8 years ago and once had a loaner for 10 days. The rest is off topic for this board.
  • Hmmm. Maybe ya didn't read my other messages?
    I have owned 1) 1999 GLS V6 Sonata: top of the line model for the time being, the car that" rescued" Hyundai,along with Mr O'Neil's 10/100K warranty in USA(sales were 90,000 in 98, 162,000 units, or so, in 99, after this car and warranty appeared, thus "saving: Hyundai from leaving the U.S. market place).

    I had to replace the recirc valve,radiator, alternator,and water pump in 5 years, 118,000 miles.

    2) Own a 2004 Sonata GLS V6, no leather(and less features than my 99 GLS had, due to the addition of the LX?) no break away mirrors, etc.
    So far, 16 months, 23K miles, all is well, except the car seems decontented vs our 99. More NVH. Turn the key, hear the engine. In the 99? Turn the key, roll down window, and listen to see if the engine had even turned over, it was so quiet.
    Big Difference, had 6 relatives ride in both cars, and same comments: 99 was better.(Better MPG also. 31.7+ all Highway trip vs 27.9 Hwy trip).

    The 06 i tested was quieter than my 04, but no nearly as quiet at the 99.
    Of course, back then, the Sonata was what the Azera is now, to Hyundai: Top of the line model, and delivered as such(in the NVH area, and MPG, overall).

    Nowadays, minus all the safety gear, there are a few other choices that deliver nearly Identical 0-60 times, NVH, et al.
    G6 has 112+ inch wheelbase, more than the Azera, even, on sale, for under 20K, for a V6.
    Fusion is another decent effort, for a fair price.

    Test drive them all before buying, I say.

    Hyundai has kind of decontented their stuff, How do I know? I been a Hyundai fan since 95, and an owner for nearly 7 years, 2 Sonata's!
    I should know something about Hyundai products by now, don't ya think ;)

    Electronics are (in some cases)more inexpensive to add than say 8 way power seats, from what i read on, and other sites such as
    ABS is cheap these days, compared to 5-10 years ago.
  • My first Hyundai we tested? Feb 1990. Excel, in Virginia Beach. It did everything But Excel! It felt like driving an old school truck w/o power assisted steering. We thought of Hyundai when they first came out, because we thought they would be akin to the better(minus Isuzu, for the time) Japanese cars.
    They have come a long way.
    We paid 14,999 for the GLS V6 2004 Sonata: at this price, it is a excellent deal. If we had paid the 21K msrp, it would not quite have been such a spectacular deal.

    I read on they boosted the cash back(some deal on there) to 3,000 dollars.
    That is not too bad, get a GLS V6 for 17-18K.
    Ya can probably argue some off of this too, if cash back to the purchaser.

    We just ain't excited by the design, but seems a lot of people are. I know sales went from 9-10K per month, to over 14K in Nov, a record for Sonata sales, right after that 5 star crash test rating.

    With this 3K off deal, wonder what December sales will be like? Guess by jan 2-3, we shall find out.
  • Please, tell me...what is "NVH" ??? Also, what is the Fumoto valve.???? I feel lost today..
  • NVH= Noise Vibration Harshness.

    Also, on tv, Sonata has 3K off, and another 1K off if you are a previous Hyundai owner(loyalty owner cash back). Wonder if they still let ya bargain off some cash, too, from MSRP, since if this is all cash back (from Hyundai, and not the dealership)?
    If ya could get say, 1000 off msrp, plus another 4K from cash back, you could get the LX for what, a tiny bit under 20K?
    That is when ya buy.
    4K or so off GLS V6 is a good deal...what, about 16-17K?
  • it all makes sense..
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Manson, WAPosts: 7,234
    the posts you're referring are sort of like The Tragically Hip's Gordon Downie's rants during his guitarists solo's. Just try to figure them out the best you can and play off of them with your own posts!

    It's just part of the magic of the Interweb!

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • Also, on tv, Sonata has 3K off, and another 1K off if you are a previous Hyundai owner(loyalty owner cash back)

    Actually, I saw that same ad (their end of year clearance sale ad. It shows the 06 Sonata, an 06 Sante Fe, and an 05 XG350 if memory serves) and the $4000 in rebates applies to the 05 XG350 only (damn that small print is really small on tv! :confuse: )

    Here's the current rebates on all Hyundai products:
    Current Hyundai Rebates
  • And look at $ inflation too. If the government continues spending (and creating $ and credit) so much more than it takes in, the dollar will continue to lose its value. Overall buying power down is 50% since 1980. And if you are buying a house the dollar is down that much in a couple years in some towns.
    So, its likely each dollar of up front purchase money is worth more than each dollar of increased resale money years from now.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    If that happens, however, all prices will adjust, including the prices of used cars.

    Back to the '06 Sonata... I was killing time today (got a day off!) and looked at the Sonata inventories of some local dealers. I noticed they had many more V6s than I4s, with GLs in particulary short supply. So I was wondering if that is because more V6s are made than I4s, or the I4s are more popular and have sold better than the V6s. Maybe Dan or another of the Hyundai sales people could comment on distribution of V6s and I4s.
  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    "Also, what is the Fumoto valve.????"

    Presumably named after its manufacturer, it replaces the oil drain plug and allows oil drain by turning a collar. Since your hands never come in contact with the draining oil, it's less messy. FRAM also has a line of valve-type oil drain aids - and one that is applicable for Hyundais. And then there are obsessive-compulsives such as myself who run a "SuperPLUG". This is a drain plug with the mother of all rare earth sumarium-cobalt-neodymium magnets* permanently mounted to the business end to trap ferrous and chromium alloyed metal particulates. Some of these particulates are too small to be caught by the oil filter, but can nevertheless be very abrassive to aluminum and babbit bearing surfaces.

    *This small but very powerful magnet has no difficulty suspending a 3 lb. mallet head and its cushion-wrapped 12" steel handle.
  • zen2zen2 Posts: 226
    My dealer has a posted price of 349 for 10K service.
    You can bet I'll do that. :) My Honda CRV 10K
    service was 82.00, and they sent me a coupon for
    10 % off. Almost the same price as an oil change at
    the Hyundai dealer. :)
  • zen2zen2 Posts: 226
    It will take more than ten minutes for the V6.
    The plastic shroud has, I believe 8 bolts,
    one of which the crack service techs at my
    dealerships cracked when reinstalling. Very poor design.
    They could have put a flip up door or something on the
    damn cover. And you can't buy the filters from Pep Boys.
  • zen2zen2 Posts: 226
    Say it ain't so. Oil change/tire rotation/ 10K checkup
    for my Honda CRV ----> 74.00. With state inspection,
    and emissions inspection. 100.00.
  • tb88tb88 Posts: 242
    My dealer has a posted price of 349 for 10K service...

    You mean 7.5K or 15K ?
    There is no 10K service for Hyundai!
  • tb88tb88 Posts: 242
    I hate the plastic cover/shroud over the engine... Anybody has any idea why it's there other than being neat?
    I like to be able to see the whole engine, to monitor if there is any leak/problem!
    Do you think removing it would void anything!? Myself, I don't think so...
  • johnap2johnap2 Posts: 105
    Mine is a 4-cylinder so it does not have this problem. The filter is very easy to get to and the oil filters are available at Pep Boys. I bought a dozen of them the last time I went there. The V6 uses a different filter, so there is no aftermarket one's that I know of yet.

  • zen2zen2 Posts: 226
    Just a guess, but it may be a heat shield to protect paint
    on hood?
  • Yeah they adjust but maybe up, down or sideways. Wages don't keep up with the rise in prices. The prices of things do not uniformly go up. And it is hard to predict which will go up, down or remain the same. Generally though, the prices of necessities go up and the prices of luxury items go down.
  • blnewtoblnewto Posts: 146
    After testing most of the comparable vehicles to the Sonata I found the Sonata to be as quiet as all but the Honda. It was quieter than the Altima, Jetta, Fusion, Maz6, and equal to Camry. The Accord was the only vehicle that was a bit quieter. I drove these vehicles in similar areas of town and along the same highway. Hard to find any complaint regarding road noise or wind noise.
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