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So back to your question, will the Sonta beat the new Camry in sales volume? Definitely no.
Will the Sonata beat the new Camry in most of the media sponsored comparison? I dont think so. If you consider the price then maybe.
That's why we're here to discuss the new generation Camry... "HELP" Toyota get better ratings
The other manufacturers have improved their game, so that Toyota is not such a stand-out in the comparo game, but it still has and will continue to have what people want. I predict it will remain the sales champ for the foreseeable future, even though it may not tickle the fancy of car mag editors used to driving 200 mph on race courses.
pzykofart: you're kidding, right? Braking g-force so high that it throws the gear shift out of drive? I love that one. The only one of Toyota's annoying zig-zag automatics I have driven is the 4Runner, and it was so easy to bump it out of gear with a hand motion or my Big Gulp, I did it several times while the truck was moving. If Toyota wants to solve this problem, they should move the shifter, better yet make it an electronic paddle on the steering column, but don't think that any problem has been solved by making it a silly-looking zig-zag design.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
We'll know in about 6 weeks.
You must be oblivious to other cars (namely Mercedes-Benz, Nissan/Infiniti, Honda/Acura, etc.) incorporating 'not-so-straight' shifters.
There goes your silly suggestion...
As for silly looking, that was strictly my opinion, I wasn't implying it was inherently silly or something....
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Having said that, I'm hoping Toyota will add a little length to the seat bottoms of the new Camry's front seats. I owned a 2002 Camry, and always felt the seats were a little short, though I liked most everything else about the car. I'm in the market for another sedan and have hopes for the new Camry redesign. My '02 had only a four-speed transmission, which gave it high revs on the highway. I think they've already fixed that with a five-speed.
Actually, in 2002 the Camry came in first in an MT comparison. It was competing against the previous generation Accord. It's never beaten the current Accord AFAIK. And I doubt the 2007 Camry will propel it ahead unless they make some drastic changes like they did to the Avalon, which went from alsoran to class leader.
~alpha
I cant remember offhand where the Camry revs cruising at that speed, but next time I'll take it out, I'll try to check.
~alpha
Not surprisingly, Camry came last, yet beat the others in some areas like fit and finish and materials, as well as quiet and smooth ride, while Accord came first despite its age.
As you say, I doubt the '07 will change this pecking order much. It is the very qualities disliked by the car mag editors that are so liked by the public, and which are the reason for Camry's sales success. But I do expect the optional V-6 to be a revelation, finally competing with the other players (especially Accord) in power and fuel economy.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Toyota's 3.0L is old, but for an engine about to be put to pasture, its still very refined and smooth, and reasonably powerful. The 190 horses it generates moved the Camry to 60 only 2/10ths behind the Fusion, packing 31 more horses. The Camry also trumped the Fusion in both passing tests and and Hyundai in the 30-50. Where the engine takes the biggest hit, IMO, is in fuel economy.
Bring on the 268 horse 3.5L!!!
~alpha
Won't bother me in the Camry though because I would only buy one with a manual. If they don't offer the manual there is always Accord.
I don't know if higher revs make much of a difference in fuel economy or engine life. Those would be more objective factors to consider. At any rate, I would guess the new 5-speed auto in the current (and future?) Camry would lower the revs at least a little, which would please me.
And oh the horror, it's got a Bangle butt also!
Not bad for a Camry. It could have been worse.
LOVE the look of the new instrumentation/IP, and it seems to be ergonomically correct. Not a fan of that color wood, though, YUCK.
Overall, I'm a fan, but whats up with the plain Jane alloys? Are those tires 17s? I sure hope so.
Any final news on powertrains/EPA?
~alpha
http://toyota.jp/camry/spec/spec/index.html
but they are sold in Japan!
We might get the Gen6 4WD model in NA due to the demand+competition!
-Dudley
It might be a little hard on Subaru, though, if Toyota does this.
A wagon would be nice as well, but we'll never see that because it would cut into SUV sales. I wonder if Toyota doesn't offer the AWD Camry here for the same reason.
Looks like a pleasant design to me, which fits Camry's traditional role of pleasing as many as possible. I definitely see a touch of Mazda3 in front and a BMW 5 or 7 with the top of the trunk. But overall, it seems a little sleeker than the current car and appealing, at least to me.
Interestingly, the side-view schematic seems to show rear seat passengers seated slightly lower than the front, which I don't believe is the case with the current Camry.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/11/first_photos_of.php
I agree with you there, somehow it seems to look less like the Mazda 3.
Overall I'm quite pleased with the design inside and out.
On another topic, buttons behind the shifter. Are they for heated seats? If so, kind of small and far especially for the passenger.
Or buy the new contraption you hang off the side of your car (advertised in the back of the car mags) for only $129.95! :P I don't know if that's for just one or a pair.
The article says there are 5-6 possible models that might be built the Lafayette Indiana plant. Want to bet that the Camry will be one of them?
I expect different wood on the shifter and maybe no wood on the steering wheel on US models.
The car's trim will likely be tweaked for North American tastes.
"So what may I show you today?"
"Well, I'm looking for a new car. I was looking at a Camry, but it doesn't have side moldings, so that's out..."
"Well, let me show you this 1994 Subaru SVX! Even the windows have.......need 4 doors? How about this 2003 Chevy Avalanche!! The whole thing is wrapped in this dashing grey rubber....."
"Actually I was looking at something much more expensive, but with even worse resale, and people will wonder why I got it instead of a good car......like a Camry...."
Boy, am I glad I'm out of that racket.
DrFill
Pictures from bbs.pcauto.com.cn and bbs.tom.com
The model is Japanese version, but the US version will be the same one.
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