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Aftermarket security systems with the glass break/tilt sensor as well as additional features can run as little as $200. remote starter/alarm combinations as low as $250 depending on your area.
I own an aftermarket electronics retail store and work with several dealerships. I have yet to review the wiring for the new civic and can not comment on if this is a direct plug in via and additional harness or if this Honda OE alarm is hard wired in. A direct plug in should be less costly, due to the reduced labor. At $695 there is plenty of profit for Honda the dealer or both.
Honda most likely sources their systems out from either DEI or Audiovox which are the two biggest names in aftermarket security.
An ignition or starter kill is not needed I do not believe this is a feature of a Honda alarm regardless. Honda along with many other makes in the late 90s have moved to whats referred to as transponder (chipped) keys. The key has a resistance code which is transmitted through the key cylinder in order to start the vehicle. This is why you can't go to home depot to have your car keys cut any longer.
Hope this helps you out!!!
The Atomic Blue I've only seen on the website, but that is one of the two colors I'm considering when I do buy (the other being Galaxy Gray).
Interestingly, the Royal Blue is the only Civic (in history, to my knowledge) to offer a choice of two interior colors. You can get either Ivory or Gray. I've owned eight Hondas (out of nine cars in my life) and the lack of interior color options has always irritated me. I hate light interior (tan/ivory/beige). White is my favorite exterior color and the new Civic looks great in it, but it comes with ivory interior. Yuck!
I've always read that limiting one interior to the exterior color simplifies manufacturing and reduces cost. I'm sure it does and I doubt many customers refuse to buy just for this reason. I just limit my exterior color choices to ones that have the interior color I like. But a choice would be nice...
Civic LX - $16,510
3 i Touring - $16,375 (added ABS)
Corolla LE - $16,460 (added ABS, side airbags)
Civic EX - $18,260
3 s - $18,015 (added sunroof and ABS)
Corolla LE - $17,595 (added sunroof, ABS, side airbags, alloys)
The price increases over '05 models is modest and certainly in line with a newly redesigned model. Not to mention that ABS and side airbags are now standard across the board.
Any dealer will try to maximize profit when they can. Making money is why they are in business to begin with. If someone doesn't want to pay MSRP for a Civic, someone else right behind them will. This will continue until all the dealers have a good supply and everyone dying to be the first to have one gets one. After that, they'll be offering some discounts.
It's also interesting to note that Mazda dealers haven't been going much below $500 under MSRP on the Mazda3 and they can't build them fast enough. The Civic and 3 may not be as cheap as some cars in the class, but you do get what you pay for!
Although articles point out that passenger volume and trunk volume (13.0 to 12.9 c.f.) are reduced, there is definitely more legroom in the rear. There's less head room which might cause the mathematical reduction, but for all practical purposes there's more room. The trunk change is inconsequential. The increase in width is noticeable and welcome.
I have an '04 EX auto sedan, and didn't really notice a power difference, but mine is broken in. Also, there was too much traffic to open up the new one, and I believe the VTEC doesn't come into play until around 6k rpm?
Here's my one objection: I think the ride is a bit harsh. I really like the ride of the '04, not at all mushy but well-controlled. In the new one, the rear tires skipped sideways over a small bump that my '04 wouldn't have noticed. What do you think?
You are right, there is little list price difference between the Civic, Mazda3, and Corolla. Corollas are available at big discounts, and the Mazda3 is in at least some markets also. That's where the difference is now. But discounts on the Civic will come, Ray, they will most definitely come.
I'm not sure how you take passenger load "into account" unless you drive the exact same route at the same speed with the same load of passengers back to back.
Besides the poor dashboard ergos, the old was fine, I am disgusted they come with daytime running lights. Totally unnecessary. I thought Honda was smarter than that to avoid a sea of slightly dimmed high beams distracting all the drivers on the road. These are a menace on the road. Too bright. Why can't they be dimmed LOW beams. I won't buy one unless they can be disabled. Another knee jerk reaction to the uniformed. DRLs should be banned.
too bad the regular Civics don't have a 6-speed manual. I am very disapointed that Honda dropped the manual for the hybrid for the US market. It is more efficient than a CVT. Why can't enviros learn to shift? It saves more gas.
I'll have to drive it first. Hondas over the years have been turning into lazy cars, Not everyone wants a Toyota. Toyotas are very well made cars, but that's it, Very boring.
Although articles point out that passenger volume and trunk volume (13.0 to 12.9 c.f.) are reduced, there is definitely more legroom in the rear. There's less head room which might cause the mathematical reduction, but for all practical purposes there's more room. The trunk change is inconsequential. The increase in width is noticeable and welcome.
I have an '04 EX auto sedan, and didn't really notice a power difference, but mine is broken in. Also, there was too much traffic to open up the new one, and I believe the VTEC doesn't come into play until around 6k rpm?
Here's my one objection: I think the ride is a bit harsh. I really like the ride of the '04, not at all mushy but well-controlled. In the new one, the rear tires skipped sideways over a small bump that my '04 wouldn't have noticed. What do you think?
Andy, your point about the acceleration on the '06 Civic is well taken. After many Hondas, I found they are not completely broken in until 15,000 or so miles. The MPG continues to incrementally rise until that point. I believe, though maybe to a lesser extent, that it is also true of suspensions.
May be just my imagination. Any opinions?
I'ts "build and price" your Civic (or any other car), on Honda's website. I have yet to find a day - or time of day when these pages didn't load painfully slow - slower than just about any page I've seen in years.
This is with Comcast cable.
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It's not likely the new Si will outperform the RSX. It's heavier and has less power. Not likely...possible but not likely.
I think I broke 10 seconds once and that was because I didn't go to 3rd gear when I was supposed to.
Of course you were not able to get the times, you were shiting too early. The LX is geared so that you should be able to do 60 mph in second gear at red line. And if you mean shifting when I am supposed to the little chart in the book, that chart is for economy driving. When you are doing 0-60 runs, you run your engine to the redline, shift 100 RPM's before the fuel cut off.
auto should do better, and with less work and gear grinding.
Experienced driver would never or very rarely grind gears. Or your synchros were worn out.
normal driver with a manual transmission Civic next to a normal driver with an automatic Civic, and raced them, my money would be on the auto.
Yeah if the manual driver is you. You grind gears, you shift at 2500 RPM...
My money is on the manual car driven by the same person testing the automatic. IF you eliminate the human error factor, due to inexperienced driver, then you get the true comparison of the two cars.
You have it backwards. Weak dollar means imports are more expensive. Strong dollar would make imports cheap. In the 80's when Yien was weak Japanese products were cheap, then Yien got stronger the prices went up. 10 years ago $1 got you Y100, then it was $1=Y120, and now it is closer to $1=Y160.
Knowing that you used to auto cross and Honda enthusiast you should check out "The other forum specifically designed for Honda SUV's, CR-V in particular. There is a fall foliage tour in Lee, MA coming up at the end of September.
I probably won't be buying an Accord for my 160mi. daily commute. I prefer a Civic for the gas mileage, but for someone with a short commute or that doesn't drive a lot (like ) I 'd highly recommend you test drive an Accord (LX) with no add-on options to keep the price down. It rides very nice and it's 2.4L engine is pretty smooth and quiet.
they should also try the Accord 2.4 manual. It is the slickest, and smoothest manual I have ever driven. But because of my location, I ended up with a CR-V, still true to my beliefs, I got one with a manual.
I was disappointed that rpm at 70 was way north of 3k while the auto was 2.2k. that is why the automatic (while boring) is better mpg.
Hello Honda. wake up and put in 6th with true OD.
The automatic seems to be breathing and buzzing awfully hard and not going very fast to do it.
INKY
Most drivers later on do not need to see the edge to drive correctly, instead they view the overall "big picture". This is epecaiily true as they drive multilane highways with traffic on both sides of your lane.
Actually, no seeing the hood should have no effect, but apaprently it does to some people. There are cars that should me their needs, Buick comes to mind, they have large long hoods, cushy rides.
Cruis'n in 6th viewing the "big picture"
MidCow
the 06 Civic is about $17,700 for most savy negoiators
the 06 Accord SE is about $19,500 right now (($21,250 list)
I drove both back to back and man the Accord is sooooooooooo much more car.
No struggle to accelerate. The mpg difference is 3-4 but seems like a big car.
Now the Accord SE has no sunroof but nice 6 disk and Alloys with carbon fiber trim, wheel disks and abs. For $1800 you get a car that will pay for itself in normal insurance. Check the civic out, you buy the insurance for the demographic of the car. I estimate a good driver will get a 6 month policy of about $600 on the civic (midwest) but only about $300 on the accord. Your expericence will vary wildly but the trend will be true.
The real cost of civic ownership may be higher!!!!!!
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And that's fine if you want to pay MSRP for a car.
Call me crazy but I prefer to pay below MSRP.
Maybe 3 to 6 months from today. But for now, '05 Civic EX can be bought for about to $2,000 less. And here (I called yesterday), they still have that stinkin' $1,800 market adjusted price.
So many of Civic competitors are selling their cars below MSRP.
Honda and Toyotas are not too bad but American cars and of course Nissan cars are the king of overpricing (huge difference between their invoice and MSRP).
It is ridiculous to me that it costs more to buy Civic EX than LX Accord.
Yes. Civic EX has lot more features (sunroof and alloy wheels are the only major differences IMO) but still no leather.
I haven't been to Honda dealer in a while but I remember when the S2000 first came out. I stopped by the dealer several times. S2000 price had additional $6,000 market adjusted price in addition to its MSRP. In 3 months the dealer sold only 3 S2000. Yeah, great marketing tactics.
The culprit is probably the tires. The LX and EX carry 205/55/16 tires, a very agressive tire for a family sedan. Compared to the old 195/65/15 used on the older Civics, the new tires have 13% less cushion (tire sidewalls are 13% lower). If it doesn't make you feel too cheap, try the DX. It has the 195/65/15 tires just like the old Civic and should ride softer. If you switched to 205/60/16 tires you'd still have a nice looking wheel and have about 10% more cushion, not to mention a 3.2% taller top gear (because of 3.2% larger tire diameter). Gas mileage might improve.
Thanks
How often have you beat the times in the magazines without taking the car past redline? The auto magazines don't take the cars to redline. If the power peaks at 6000 rpm then why would you take it further? Your power would drop. The only reason to do that would be if you are very close...my old LX hit maximum power at about 56 or 58 miles an hour (can't recall...I sold it almost eight years ago). So one time I went against the methods used by Car and Driver and took it all the way to 60 in second gear.
I've beaten the old Prelude and once beat a Mustang GT in my Accord V-6 auto, both cars which should have easily taken me. They didn't...they couldn't. I think I did that two or three times shortly after I bought my Accord just to see how it compared. I don't normally race but I was curious when I first bought my car and I was very impressed with the results.
I rarely ground gears with my old cars, but on occasion, when I was pushing it to the limit and trying to clutch and shift as fast as possible, I'd slip. In normal driving I didn't grind gears.
So are you an experienced driver? How many people on this forum can honestly say they matched or beat what the big car magazines do with a manual transmission? Try beating Car and Driver. There is a huge difference just between the times of the big magazines. I've seen a second difference between Car & Driver and Road & Track on the same car at the same time. I saw a 1996 Honda Civic EX turn in a 7.9 0-60 in Car & Driver and in Road & Track it took 9.1 seconds. So which driver was inexperienced, and if so, why was he working for Road & Track if he was so lousy?
Your argument doesn't hold up.
I drove a 1993 Accord 4-door with an automatic and a small 125 horsepower engine...a lousy power to weight ratio. I routinely did 0-60 in the 8's and low 9's. Remember...this is a 2900 pound car with an engine weaker than the old Civics, and with a 4-speed automatic. How could this be? I always do multiple tests on the same stretch of road in opposite directions and then take the average times.
I think there are very few drivers who can ring out full power with a manual tranny, and even then they have to do it at a test track under controlled conditions. For real-world performance in everyday life, I'd pick a good automatic over a stick shift.
I can't find an import (save the element and Scion xB, along with other SUVs) that has a long, flat, Caddy style hood. I can't see the end of any hoods, and I'm 6'5". What Toyota has a hood that you can see? All the models on their website look like Accords or Civics' slope. Thanks for letting me know! :shades:
Getting back to quality of the 06 Civic sedans, I actually noticed a difference between an EX built in OH and an LX built in Japan. The former had an unusual sound closing the front door, as well as the hood. The hood latch was not right, and was flimsy. I could have yanked it and broke it or bent it easily. The Japan-built LX was definitely better.
In both cars, I was impressed with the feel of the seating position. Sitting in the car, it definitely felt more spacious than an Acura TSX, and had plenty of head and leg room for someone 6'1" and 210 pounds.
I didn't know there are Civics still made in Japan.
How is this stratified? All EX from U.S. and LX from Japan or just certain percentage deal?
Accords the same way?
If something is wrong with my Honda, if American built, I blame the U.S. assembly line. If Japan built, I blame the design.
I know that is very wrong for me to feel that way but I can't help it as I have not yet had any problems with the Japan built Hondas (2 with over 100K and 1 with 85K). U.S. built? I had one U.S. built Accord that air conditioning went out at 65K.
Now I really need to reconsider an automatic 06 civic, dammit. That bottom-hinged gas pedal sure would be good for heel and toe, though
In your opinion, how bad was the engine/road/other noise at 70 mph in that low geared MT civic?
Have you or anyone been able to compare the noise at 70mph between an AT and MT 06 civic?
Thanks for any help!!
Anyhow, at the auto show in canada, i sat in a japanese built camry, and the material for the armrest was softer and all interior panels had even gaps.
well, again, though, could be a general design issue since many first year japan cars have problems, too.
??? oh, well, i just want a made in Japan car because i am biased
BTW my friend's German-built VW golf had just as many problems as other Mexican golf's.
i called my local canadian honda dealer and they said that all civic sedans for canada come from East Liberty, and later on will switch to Ontario. i dunno if this is true or not because he also said that no civics are built in japan, when we know that many first units for USA come from there.
does anyone know if canada will get any Japan sedans as well? and just like heejoman, which, if any models have a higher chance of being from japan (besides hybrid).
also, will Canada get white as ext. color? dealer says no white for canada! waaaaaaaaa...
Switching the 205/55's with 205/60's will drop your rpm's about about 3%.
sorry for all these posts, but there is no edit button...
so is the AT noiser than the MT as stated in prev post?
thanks again for patience
What's funny is that the Corolla's hood isn't any more visible than the Civic's. At least I can be comfortable driving the Civic.
As to 0 to 60 times, I'm not into that anymore. If it's fast enough to safely merge onto the freeway, that's good enough for me. It seems that only the younger folks are concerned about 0 to 60 times - but, I guess I was too at that age!
I am disappointed that the fuel economy of the manual shift has DROPPED from 32 to 30 (city) in the EX. And while the highway number has increased by a point, it clearly could have topped the automatic if they had used a properly tall gear for fifth (turning 3K+ at 70 mph? Poor decision, IMO).
Makes me half think of getting an automatic, but in the end I never would, I hate autos. As for the whole "who's faster to 60 mph, the auto driver or the manual driver?", any experienced manual driver could beat the auto to 60 mph 9 times out of 10 on most car models. But it means being good with the pedals and the stick, and not every manual driver is. Rev matching can help a lot when making quick shifts.
My biggest wish right now for the Civic is that the upgraded stereo that is only in the SI could be optional in the EX as well.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
The primary reason that I want to have an alarm that has glass breakage is that I'm a little concerned with someone breaking in to steal the Nav system. If they have any kind of clue they could break the glass then crawl in, do their work, and crawl out, thus avoiding the door intrusion detection of the stock system. (I think the factory system will sound the horn when they clip the stereo (Nav) wires, but by that time they are done aren't they?)
Yes, that's what insurance is for, I know... but an ounce of prevention is worth a ton... (and who wants to have anything on their insurance records to give them a reason to raise your rate, if it can be avoided). I just hate to pay $695 for that prevention ! (Of course I'm gonna offer about $300 and go from there)
I have thoroughly enjoyed 2-doors of various sizes and shapes for most of 20 years now, but I figure the next purchase has to be a four-door, much as I dislike the idea. I do too much kid-carrying these days to make another 2-door a sensible choice. Did I just say sensible? Yikes.
So give me that super stereo with the 270 watts in the EX sedan as well, Honda!
For '06, Toyota has made a VERY nice JBL stereo with eight speakers and 270 watts optional in the Corolla LE. :-)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
But since I've decided automatics are the way to go, I haven't had to play with my car to get power out of it. It does it by itself. And I'm never caught in the wrong gear to pass.
I don't think the fuel economy on the new Civics has dropped...it's just that the fuel economy on the automatics has improved. Last year the manual was a 5-speed and the auto was a 4-speed. Now the manual has the same number of speeds but the automatic has improved, and improved fuel economy with it. The tables are even now.
i just phoned around here in alberta and they say they should be here this week. but then one dealer said EX sedans are slated for early december delivery!!! that is crazy!!!
BTW, does anyone know when the car is serialized (have serial number put on?) and does this have to be at the final pt of assembly, or can it be done before that. what i am getting at is if it is poss for car to be built in japan and then serialized with USA plant no.?
"the 06 Accord SE is about $19,500 right now (($21,250 list) "
That is an oustanding price $1,750 off MSRP. Yes, I wouls probably consider that in Lieu of a 2006 Civic 5-speed EX since they aare still selling at MSRP. It makes you think about the value of a completely new 2006 Civic versus an Accord refresh of a 2003 design.
Where did you find a dealership that is already discounting 2006 Accords that much ?
Thanks,
MidCow
I couldn't disagree with that statement more! I am 6'5" and had much more room than expected in the Civic. I adjusted the steering wheel for proper view of the gauges and was quite comfortable! Who said that the worst driving position, etc...?
Also, who was insulting? Disappoited, with his "MENTAL" comment? That is the only one I've seen out here!