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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    And it won't leave that shiny greasy feel to the leather.
  • 05ody05ody Member Posts: 103
    Alright thanks for everyone's input! ill try Lexol but ive been using armor-all for 7 years not and I have no cracks in my leather or dashboard. But I find it doesnt shine the leather for very long. Thanks again
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  • slaterslater Member Posts: 3
    Curtain airbags have nothing to do with "keeping unbelted passengers inside the vehicle during roll-overs". They have everything to do with keeping your upper body from smacking the inside of your vehicle at a high rate of speed during a side impact. They significantly improve your chances of surviving a side impact, even by an SUV. See item 2 at http://www.iihs.org/safety_facts/qanda/airbags.htm#2 .
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Member Posts: 709
    Who will offer a hybrid version of their minivan first? Honda or Toyota?
  • torontogal1torontogal1 Member Posts: 3
    Has anyone else noticed that the blind spot on the Ody is considerably larger than on the Sienna. I've spent the last week driving the Ody Touring and the Sienna Limited. The second row window on the Ody is 30 inches long and separated from the driver window by a rather large beam that obstructs your view. On the other hand, the second row window on the Sienna is 38 inches long (a big difference) and the dividing beam is considerably smaller.

    All of which means if you want to turn left or change lanes to the left and you don't want to rely only on the mirrors, a quick look over the left shoulder offers very little in the Ody and a whole lot of view in the Sienna (actually the best car for view over the left shoulder is the Grand Caravan which allows you to see out the back vent window too - excellent - but I digress....).

    Also the "helicoptering" in the Ody is unbelievably bad (roll down the side windows only and drive on - your ear drums will pop). Honda could have corrected this with power vents at the back, but they didn't. I'm sure they'll correct that soon. The Sienna also "helicopters" but not as badly.
  • tom25tom25 Member Posts: 17
    Can some body tell me the formula of TTL?

    Thanks,
  • inewtonusinewtonus Member Posts: 3
    Where I live (Utah) it is Sales Tax (6.6%) + Uniform Property Tax ($150) + Registration fees (Approx $35) + Title ($6) :cry:
  • nmbr1carfannmbr1carfan Member Posts: 7
    I asked the Honda dealer when I bought my 2005 Honda Odyssey why they did not put power rear vents as well as second row power windows. They told me that the power rear vents eventually start to rattle after a while so they decided not to put the rear power vent on. Also with where the spare tire is on the new Odyssey, they would not be able to put both sides with power vents.
  • torontogal1torontogal1 Member Posts: 3
    Thank you for that explanation. However, whatever Honda's reason (and I find that reason laughable if not down right false), they made a serious error not using power vents. But for that deafening helicoptering sound - which actually hurts the eardrums even at city driving speeds - and the enormous blind spot, I'd have bought the Touring Ody (more car for less money). Instead, I'm buying the Sienna Limited.
  • nmbr1carfannmbr1carfan Member Posts: 7
    Oh well I dont usually use my windows much so I have never experianced the "helicoptering" sound in the odyssey. If I want fresh air, I usually just put my sunroof on tilt.
  • torontogal1torontogal1 Member Posts: 3
    I understand. To each his own. Although, for what it's worth, I don't see the point in having a vehicle in which windows can be lowered if you can't or won't lower them because the sound is annoying - or worse, painful.

    On another note, how do you find the blind spot over the left shoulder? Do you rely on the mirrows? I found the sightlines very limited.

    p.s. My heart would love to get the Ody Touring - grey exterior and black interior - it's beautiful, loaded, and rides like a dream. I just can't bring myself to spend that much on a van that is likely to annoy me each and every day because of sound and blind spot.

    Enjoy your Ody.
  • nmbr1carfannmbr1carfan Member Posts: 7
    Well I guess your right. And when I do actually open the windows, it is only a little crack because just the windnoise its self bothers me in any car. And about the blind spot, I usually just check all of my mirrors and then look as far back as I can out the drivers window. I think the pillars are so thick because of the side curtain airbags.
  • b_radb_rad Member Posts: 38
    I spoke to a friend of mine that has been doing conversions on vans since the early 70's when custom vans were hot. Now he specializes in handicap retrofits.

    Anyway, he said that all vans do this to some extent and to take care of that problem would just create another. How bad this problem is depends on the exterior aerodynamics of the vehicle. This problem was the reason that many of the earlier vans had flip open windows in the rear... which caused exhaust fumes to enter the car. Another thing they did was to install a vent on the top rear of the custom vans.

    Another 2 cents.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Everytime I see a 99-04 Odyssey running down the road and I have yet to see one with the rear windows cracked. The "helicopter effect" affects a lot of cars. Most people just don't open their windows I suppose. I know I rarely open mine.

    The salesperson who said they were removed because they eventually rattle should be selling something else. What a crock!
  • dilbertzzzdilbertzzz Member Posts: 190
    I thought the windows opened only to allow paying tolls when you don't yet have a toll-tag, for Sonic drive-ins, or for letting out the excess heat before the air-conditioning catches up.

    Of course, I live in North Texas, and it seems to go immediately from heater weather directly to air-conditioner weather. Maybe that's why? ;-)

    Also, skipping any attempt at humor this time, I have a permanent ringing in my left ear. It is almost undoubtedly due to those years of driving my non-air-conditioned cars around Missouri, Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana with the window down. The seemingly low-level roar affected many folks my age (I'm 51) and older the same way.

    So, considering that and the fact that most fresh air in Texas is inside air-conditioned spaces, leads me to leave my vehicles' windows almost permanently closed.

    YMMV
  • dulnevdulnev Member Posts: 652
    I honestly don't get why people drive with their windows opened or even cracked just a bit. For me there's nothing like the quiet, climate controlled and microfiltered environment of my Touring! Why would I want to let the noise and dirty, humid, hot or cold air in? In DC there's no more than a week of time throughout a year when the weather's great enough to enjoy unprocessed outside air...
  • lastwraithlastwraith Member Posts: 350
    Not that this is anywhere on topic, but not everyone lives in DC. I routinely drive with my windows open even on I95 and on I495 here on the east coast. Breathing climate controlled , filtered air is not everyone's cup of tea. I'll take a nice cool breeze from the water over microfiltered recirculated air anyday.

    Safe driving.
  • acuroytaacuroyta Member Posts: 1
    I must disagree on the seat issue. In fact, the second row seats in the Toyota are identical to the from two seats...and we all will agree that these are extremely comfortable and supportive. If your basing your opinion on a 5 minute sit at the dealer, then you probably would not understand the dynamics of seat comfort over a 10 hour ride.
  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    "identical to the from two seats...and we all will agree that these are extremely comfortable and supportive."

    I guess you've missed the numerous posts in the Sienna Problems and Solutions thread talking about the lack of thigh support in the front seats of the Sienna.....

    "If your basing your opinion on a 5 minute sit at the dealer, then you probably would not understand the dynamics of seat comfort over a 10 hour ride."

    :confuse:

    Are you saying that seats which are uncomfortable after a 5 minute sit, start to become MORE comfortable after 10 hours? It's been my experience that the reverse is more often the case: seats may feel fine after 5 minutes but start to be uncomfortable after 10 hours. Maybe I just don't understand seat comfort dynamics.....
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    Maybe if acurota typed a little slower we would all be able to comprehend this so called seat comfort dynamics phenomenon.
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  • masterpaul1masterpaul1 Member Posts: 421
    I drive with the windows open most of the time. I love the outside fresh air from all the trees and grass. (I live in Chicago). On occasion, I use the AC, but for the most part a warm or cool breeze works well for me when driving around the City. I guess I'm use to not having AC. My first three cars didn't have AC, so for me it's a blessing to have it now. :shades:
  • emaneman Member Posts: 85
    I will take fresh air any day over closed windows when the temperature is right. mY EXL has power windows all around. so inadvertantly my 8 year old opens the side window because he is hot. INstantly my other kids including myself complain of a splitting earache. NOw the battle starts to get that window closed.

    Minivans have large front windows that cause a lot turbulence when opened but they don't create the air buffeting that hurts the ears. IN my last Chrysler t&C I installed air/rain deflectors from WeatherTech, which solved the air turbulence problem significantly. I have been calling WeatherTech for several month but they have yet to come out with a deflector for the 05 Ody. I am ready to buy the first set of 4 because they should help a lot.
  • lastwraithlastwraith Member Posts: 350
    Your EXL should have a window lockout button somewhere in it that will keep people in the back from operating the power windows. At least, I would think you have that....my '90 Accord has it. Unless I have it simply as a safety feature because my rear windows actually go all the way down, you should be able to use it to your advantage. I find it amusing to use on my friends when they start a "window battle" with me.

    Anyway, enjoy your Honda.
  • htthtt Member Posts: 75
    My wife has been asking me to purchase a minivan since we have our 1st kid. Now our kid is 1 year old and we saved enough for a down payment. I narrow down to either the Odyssey or Sienna. Now it's really tough. We have a '04 Accord V6 and my wife sometimes complain about the ride quality of the car when she's in the back seat. But she likes it when she drives it. I think the firmness of the Accord is just right for me. Can someone compare the ride of the '05 Odyssey with that of the '03-'05 Accord? I know I have to test drive it but I'm not sure I can get much out of 15-minute test drive. And I may like it when I drive it but my kid may be suffer in the back.

    Another question: Do we need a minivan for 3 people? I think it's nice to own one but it may be a waste as well.

    Thanks.
  • dansgirldansgirl Member Posts: 14
    You can get the air/rain deflectors (door visors) for $159 from your dealer, but you have to be careful because they are not legal in all states (haven't found out why yet) and your Odyssey will not pass inspection in those states.

    If anyone out there knows why they would cause the Odyssey to fail the safety inspection please let me know.
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    Many say that the Odyssey drives very much like an Accord. Test drive it for far more than 15 minutes to get a better idea - take it over your normal everyday routes for a really good comparison.

    No, it's hardly a waste (regardless of how many people are in your family) - if you're like most folks, once you get a minivan you'll wonder how you ever managed without one.
  • macakavamacakava Member Posts: 775
    If I were forced have the choice of having only one vehicle, it would be a minivan for its practicality. In addition, if you like fun to drive, great handling like a car with excellent road feel and driver engagement, and spirited driving, the Ody rules.

    Oops, I almost forgot to mention the best resale value and great reliability. I have never taken my Ody back to the dealer for any warranty repairs or service since I am mechanically inclined.
  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    Since this is an Ody/ Sienna forum, it would probably be wise to point out that the differences in reliability/resale value between the two is negligible, even non-existent. As far as claims about the Ody's handling, I think (once again) we can probably agree that it's the best handling minivan, but is still a minivan, not a sports sedan where you might find real driver engagement. The Sienna, after all, has what a lot of people consider to be a more refined ride in a package that's had a year to get the kinks out, so it's a viable alternative depending on one's preferences. In other words, a nice range of choices for buyers.
  • macakavamacakava Member Posts: 775
    Per Edmunds.com,

    the Ody is the "BMW of minivans". I will not dispute that or want to debate our host, Steve of Edmunds.com about it. :} I believe it since I have personally evaluated both vehicles before buying.

    Both the Ody and Sienna are fine vehicles. But it all depends on your preferences for a more floaty ride(Sienna) or better road feel/driver engagement(Ody). A lot depends on one's previous driving background.
  • warpspeedwarpspeed Member Posts: 8
    Totally agree !
    I own my 05 sienna le for five months-13000k already...minor problems )brakes go too quickly..) rear is sitting a bit low...thats it!
    The company that builds the corolla & the lexus ls430 & the avalon is the company for me !! :D
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    From reading, both the Ody and Sienna ,Problems and Solutions boards...as well as Consumer Reports(gag) and other publications. The Toyota Sienna is the clear cut winner when it comes to reliability.The Honda Odyssey problems seem to be more severe and frequent...with more quality and fit and finish problems.
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  • mahadevanmahadevan Member Posts: 3
    I live in Cincinnati OH and I am looking at exactly the same Odyssey Touring with Nav/DVD. The invoice is 35138 with dest. The closest I am getting is a grand above. Could you give me the name of your dealer in Ohio? My wife is torn between this and xle awd. Please, pretty please? :):)
  • nwngnwng Member Posts: 663
    for the same $26k ody ex and sienna pkg 6
    the ex came with dual pwr sliders, 6 disc changer, more comfy seats and yes, drives like an accord.

    the sienna is quieter, smoother ride, flip out back windows

    eventually, price/feature wins. I agree it is indeed personal preference
  • carguy1234carguy1234 Member Posts: 233
    Does anybody have info in Odyssey changes expected for 2006? I expect the bugs/recalls to be ironed out, but are there any feature changes coming?

    The Sienna is supposed to get memory seats and mirrors, and power folding third row seats, among some other more subtle changes.
  • dilbertzzzdilbertzzz Member Posts: 190
    The Sienna is supposed to get memory seats and mirrors, and power folding third row seats, among some other more subtle changes.

    I'm sure that, just like the adjustable pedals "option" (an apparently optional-option), the memory seats and mirrors will not be available in my area either. Just another "give only to take away" game Toyota plays to unnecessarily tick off potential customers. :mad:
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    "Clear cut winner" ??

    Hardly. Read the Sienna Boards and you'll see nagging issues people have with them too.

    Both great vans, people just have to decide which one they happen to like the best!
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    I agree...both are very good vans. Both, have the "nagging issues" any other car make would have. But, in reading BOTH Sienna and Ody problem boards...the Ody seems to have about 40-50% more of those "nagging issues" which generally seem to be more serious in nature as well.
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  • gregp2gregp2 Member Posts: 1
    I'm comparing the Odyssey with an AWD Sienna. Prefer the Odyssey except for the lack of AWD. Has anybody had good or bad experiences with the Odyssey's handling in the snow? Any view on how much difference traction control or snow tires make?
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    I don't know that you can buy a Touring R&N at invoice in the Queen City area. Interestingly, I was comparing the same two models last winter and Toyota prices were cheaper in Cincinnati than Columbus.

    You might try Hugh White (Columbus), Marysville Honda (Marysville - a brand new store), or Matthews (Marion). Folks have reported buying at (or being quoted) invoice on a Touring R&N at all three stores in the past couple of months.
  • aab4aab4 Member Posts: 39
    Having problems with the Power Doors.

    First they wouldn’t open, or close in Automatic, shut vehicle off, and
    they started working.

    Next, Power doors, wouldn’t close fully. Had to try and shut them manually.

    Then after shutting door, door ajar light and alarm went off, and doors were closed.

    Now buzzing noise coming from Passenger Doors, needs new motor, bought vehicle in December, and this is 2nd major problem with Odyssey.

    The door problem has been going on for 1 week. Finally dealer found bad motor,
    today.

    Defroster doesn’t blow much air on Floor to heat feet. They can't fix that, cause Honda says it’s not a problem. And I'm not even mentioning wind noise problem.

    Should of bought Sienna or Ford Freestyle, it's quicker and has AWD.

    Honda, I not impressed. First Honda Vehicle, soon to be my last.

    Overpriced, and quality sucks!!!

    Don’t buy a first year vehicle, which the touring model is. Don’t care who Manufacturer is. It has problems,

    And it takes a year or two to them fixed!!
    :cry::cry::cry:
  • daedae Member Posts: 143
    2005 Honda Odyssey Recalls

    2005 Honda Odyssey Recall ID from NHTSA: 05V132000
    Auto Recall Date: APR 05, 2005
    Vehicle Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:FUSES AND CIRCUIT BREAKERS
    Estimated Vehicles Affected: 1923
    2005 Honda Odyssey Defect Summary:
    ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES, A LOOSE TERMINAL IN THE MAIN FUSE BOX MAY CAUSE THE FUEL PUMP TO LOSE POWER. IF THE FUEL PUMP BECOMES INOPERATIVE, THE ENGINE MAY NOT START.
    Defect Consequence:
    IF THE FUEL PUMP LOSES POWER WHILE DRIVING THE ENGINE COULD STALL WITHOUT WARNING WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH. :sick:
    Remedy:
    DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE ENTIRE FUSE BOX. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON APRIL 13, 2005. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 800-999-1009 OR ACURA AT 1-800-382-2238.
    Notes:AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., P73, P74

    2005 Honda Odyssey Recall ID from NHTSA: 05V039000
    Auto Recall Date: FEB 03, 2005
    Vehicle Component: STEERING:COLUMN
    Estimated Vehicles Affected: 203
    2005 Honda Odyssey Defect Summary:
    ON CERTAIN MINIVANS AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES, THE STEERING COLUMN MAY BE INCORRECTLY ASSEMBLED, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A LOSS OF STEERING CONTROL.
    Defect Consequence:
    LOSS OF STEERING CONTROL CAN CAUSE A VEHICLE CRASH WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE. :sick:
    Remedy:
    OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED BY TELEPHONE ON JANUARY 25, 2005, AND ARRANGEMENTS WERE MADE TO HAVE THEIR VEHICLES TOWED TO THEIR DEALERS AND HAVE THE REPAIRS PERFORMED. THE RECALL BEGAN ON JANUARY 25, 2005.
    Notes:AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., P70

    2005 Honda Odyssey Recall ID from NHTSA: 04V536000
    Auto Recall Date: NOV 15, 2004
    Vehicle Component: SERVICE BRAKES, AIR:ANTILOCK:WHEEL SPEED SENSOR
    Estimated Vehicles Affected: 2247
    2005 Honda Odyssey Defect Summary:
    ON CERTAIN MINIVANS, THE ANTI-LOCK BRAKE SYSTEM (ABS) USES A SENSOR ON EACH WHEEL TO DETECT WHEEL SPEED. SOME SENSORS ON THE REAR WHEELS WERE INSTALLED INCORRECTLY, WHICH MEANS THE SENSOR MAY REPORT THE WRONG WHEEL SPEED TO THE ABS CONTROL UNIT.
    Defect Consequence:
    THE DRIVER COULD EXPERIENCE A LOSS OF BRAKE FORCE AND A CRASH COULD OCCUR. :sick:
    Remedy:
    DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE REAR WHEEL SPEED SENSORS. IF AN INCORRECT GAP IS DETECTED, THE SENSOR WILL BE REMOVED AND THE KNUCKLE CHECKED FOR CROSS THREADING DAMAGE. IF DAMAGE IS FOUND, THE KNUCKLE WILL BE REPLACED. IF NO DAMAGE IS FOUND, THE SENSOR WILL BE REINSTALLED CORRECTLY. THE RECALL BEGAN ON NOVEMBER 12, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
    Notes:AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., P52

    2005 Toyota Sienna recalls

    NONE

    :)
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    Well, dae, your point seems to be that, judging by recalls, the Sienna is a better product. And it may well be. However, some may take that view that while Honda acknowledges its problems, Toyota refuses to do so.
  • daedae Member Posts: 143
    Honda acknowledges its problems, Toyota refuses to do so

    They are both two big evil corporations, and if not for NHTSA they would not admit anything. I am actually shopping for an Odyssey right now - do not ask, wife drove both and said - this one. I also owned Prelude and Integra, and kinda like Honda.

    What bothers me is the nature of the recalls. Not a poor design - poor execution. I trust Honda engineers, but it looks like local assembly quality is lacking. If that is the problem - there is no guarantee that those issues will sort out after a year or so.

    As you can install ABS sensor backwards independent of the greatest design and features.
  • player4player4 Member Posts: 362
    The Toyota Sienna did had a recall back in 2004 in its 1st ear of the whole new redisign. It was the fuel tank, not sure what it clearly was but it did have a recall. Now the Odyssey is alson on its first year of thw whole new redisign so it had recalls on its first year just like Sienna did.
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    Well, I do agree with you that Honda has a problem with quality control at the Lincoln plant. As I said, I haven't had any of the common problems others have mentioned. However, my Touring has less than sterling paint (much orange peel and a mismatched rear bumper among other problems) for which there is no fix.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I don't think either honda or Toyota is an "evil" corporation. Where do you get this?

    Most recalls amount to "A tempest in a teapot". They address islolated things that, "could", "possibly" lead to a problem. Because of liability they have to make it sound as bad as they can.

    When the recalled cars are inspected, it's VERY rare to find an actual problem.

    Imagine in the "old days" when there was no such thing as a recall? It's amazing we survived!
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    Perhaps you should read the Ody recall posts again? Loss of steering control and inproperly installed components that could result in crash are not issues that should be minimized.
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  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    The 'loss of steering control' issue affected 203 vehicles and the recall was in early February. It also states that ALL owners of affected vehicles WERE notified by phone (in January) and the vehicles transported to the dealers to have the issue addressed.

    This is a dead issue.

    The 'improperly installed' components (ABS sensors) affected 2247 cars and the recall was in mid November of last year. Honda identified the issue early and, again, contacted owners of affected vehicles beginning on November 12.

    Again, this is a dead issue.

    Would there be any point in dredging up the recalls issued on 1st year Siennas (or MPV's for that matter)? No. All the recall indicates is that a problem has been identified and there is a KNOWN SOLUTION.

    Regarding this "loss of control resulting in crash" language: How many of you adjust your seat while driving? How many of you adjust the tilt/reach of your steering wheel while driving? Do you have any idea of the number of warnings in a typical new car users manual which warn against "loss of control resulting in crash"? I had to laugh at the one about the fuel pump losing power resulting in an engine stall which could cause the driver to crash. Anybody ever hear of a crash resulting from the driver running out of gas?
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