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The process will have taken exactly 8 weeks, if I get it in 2 weeks. Not bad considering that they shut down the factory for two weeks at the end of the year.
Its sort of been a pain, and I am tired of not having a car, but I guess when I see it, I wiil forget the last 2 months.
Good luck to everyone out there with their Mustangs!
what about the floor mats in the gt?? mine dont have mustang or the logo anywhere on them is it possible someone at the dealership switched out my mats?
Lisa T in WI...... :shades:
I can't wait to see it.
Hope this helps answer your questions.
So, alot of it depends on 1) location 2)allotment 3)Priority Code you were given (mine was 35).
Hope this helps
Oh--if you go to ford website and build the stang that you want, then you can search dealer inventories (enter the zip code) and you can see what all of the dealers have in stock.
Good Luck
Looks and drives great. The upgraded suspension that came with the Pony Package makes the car. I think the car handles great. I know I made the right decision on the options I ordered.
I've read where some people are not happy with the various hues that show through in the Tungsten Grey color. This I
do not understand, I think the grey looks great and matches the wheels that came with the pony package really well.
Someone once stated on one of these forums that the V6 Premium w/Pony Package was the best deal for the money. I have to agree. I believe I am going to be very happy with my new toy.
Well I got great news yesterday. According to the automated system at Ford. My car shipped via convoy on 1/10. I didn't order it until 12/8/05. Seems VERY quick for a GT Prem Coupe but I'll be happy to finally get my car.
I expect to have it sometime next week. I can't wait! :shades:
I got employee pricing on a 06 GT in December when I ordered it. My baby was built last Tues, still waiting on him to leave Flint Rock though.
When the '05 Mustang was released, demand was much higher than what the factory produced. Ford went so far as to up production of the Mustang to meet demand. It still wasn't enough to cover demand. There were about 13,000 people who ordered an '05 Mustang that Ford coudln't produce. This shortage was particularly acute with the GT version.
Some of us (me included) were fortunate enough to buy the '05 Mustang GT at one of Ford's discount plans (vast majority of these sold at, or above MSRP due to demand exceeding supply).
Dealers were paying top dollar for private sales of these GTs as well as at the auctions.
Bottom line, I owned my '05 Mustang GT for about 9 months. I bought/ordered it using Ford's "X-plan". Since a lot of people had ordered, waited a year (or more) to get one, they finally decided to look at used. I sold mine for no other reason than I owned it for 9 months and was able to sell it for well over what I paid for it.
I think this phenomena has eased slightly, but I still don't see many new '06 GTs on dealers lots. Demand is still high, therefore resale is still high.
Add to that fact, there just isn't much on the market that appeals to the muscle car enthusiast....The Hemi Charger (still a 4-door, and with an automatic tranny), the GTO (which has been a disappointment for GM for many reasons...and still doesn't sell well) are the only ones. Plus, those cars still cost more than a Mustang GT, for essentiallly the same performance of the Mustang.
There are some muscle cars that supposedly are coming down the pike (Camaro, Dodge Challenger), but those aren't guaranteed to be put into production. Even if they do get to the factory floor, it won't be for another 3-4 years.
So, that's the reason the Mustang (especially the GT) is so popular, in so high demand, and still commands good money on the used market (and also the reason there are used ones on the market....former owners made money on them).
1) Found one GT, automatic. None with manual.
2) All the cars are being sold by car dealers and car rental agencies, none by private owners. Dealers are probably selling repossessed cars. Rental agencies are all selling V6's, no V8's.
3) The vast majority of cars advertised, in fact all but a couple, were V6's.
The GT Premium remains rare, hard to find used or new, and is even rarer in popular colors with a manual tranny.
A while ago, I related a story about a woman who bought a Mustang GT. She complained that it was loud (she didn't like the exhaust note...go figure) and rode too hard. After quizzing her, she said her previous car was a Solara. Now, these two cars have little in common other than they were both coupes. I don't know what became of her Mustang GT, but I'd bet a dollar to a dime, she traded it for something more sedate.
Fact is, since the '06s have been out, I've seen maybe 1 GT per dealer sitting on their lot (and even that's a rare sight). Those weren't there more than a few days.
You are correct....Mustang GTs of either '05 or '06 vintage, with manual trannys, especially premium versions, are very hard to come by.
Just looked in the local paper this a.m. There was a dealer ad for an '05 GT base with automatic. The car probably stickered for $28K. Asking price was $29K....USED with 4K miles.
This car (GT version) has been out more than a year, and demand is still very high.
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I resisted selling mine for 9 months, but had plenty of offers for MSRP, even though it was used. I kept it, drove it, put nothing but gas in it (dealer even gave me my first oil change for free). Then, one day, someone made an offer for a couple thousand more than I paid for it....and I finally said "OK". That's never happened to me before (and probably never again).
I'm certain some bought one and couldn't afford it. So, here comes the repo man. Those cars end up at the auctions, too.
V6 Mustangs, on the other hand, are fairly plentiful. Still, Ford hasn't slapped any incentives on those units yet. So, they must be selling pretty well, too.
The Mustang GT is pretty unique to the market. You aren't going to find a car that's been the styling hit the new Mustang has been, that handles well, comes well-equipped, that'll do 0-60 in less than 6 seconds, that has won all the automotive press accolades, for anywhere under $30K MSRP.
The Mustang GT is playing in a sandbox of 1 with all those attributes.
By the time the competition catches up (if they can catch up) with the likes of the Challenger and Camaro (neither has been given the green light for production), the Mustang will probably up the quotient with something like a BOSS or MACH version. If the Dodge and/or Chevy answer to the Mustang ever do hit the streets ('08 or '09), the Mustang will be ready to be revamped in it's 4th model year.
Let's not forget that later on THIS YEAR, the Shelby GT 500 Mustang, with 475 HP will hit the streets with an MSRP of less than $40K.
I disagree about the above criticism of Ford's strategy. Putting a car into production is a multimillion, if not billion, dollar proposition, included in which is very careful, very expensive market research. Projections of the precise price point most likely to generate the greatest sales have been very very carefully worked out.
Ford is currently running TV ads for the Mustang. Featured prominently in those ads is the GT. But that doesn't mean they're out to sell GT's? Far from it. They're using the GT to lure customers, to create the image, the mystique, knowing full well that the consumer market for higher-priced high-performance V8's with manual transmissions is limited compared to the broader, deeper market for the much cheaper V6's. The long-term consumer market for Mustangs lies with the V6, not the GT. The GT, by comparison, represents a specialized niche market, ergo the limited production. It's no coincidence that that has been the pattern with Mustang sales from the beginning.
The GT w/ manual tranny is almost exclusively a male car. The auto tranny V6 is for both sexes, has a broader, more general appeal. You can't make much money with a car that appeals to only half the population.
And look what's out on the road: GT's are relatively rare, even less common than V6 convertibles. The V6's are popping up everywhere. The V6's even outnumber the GT's in these forums, which tend to have a disproportionate number of male enthusiasts.
I have asked and read the difference in discount pricing before but want to understand it so I don't get hoodwinked. 1) I am female 2)I have done my research but still feel "stupid" when talking to sales men. Why do I always feel like I am getting cheated?
Anyway, I have a trade it worth $1,200 (KBB value) - will have cash down - approximately $2,000 or a little more PLUS the X-Plan discount. I am tossing between the GT Premimum or V6 Premimum Convertible. Can someone help? Sorry to keep dwelling on an old subject.
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But fact is, the reason for the shortage of GTs is demand, pure and simple. Ford can't keep up. Believe me, no one at Ford wants to "short sell" any of their models. If they can build to demand, they'd do so. Ford has only one plant making the Mustangs....and they share that production facility with the Mazda 6's production.
Ford had made 140,000 pre '05 Mustangs. They upped production for '05 models to 150,000. Then, as it became clear that number still wasn't enough, they upped production again to 190,000 units (or full plant capacity). That still didn't meet demand (at least for the GTs). GT production is approximately 30% of all production. They can't produce any more than 30% because the 4.6L engine (as well as many other components) is shared with the SUVs and F-150s (in different states of tune, though).
Dealers set their own prices. Dealers are not required to honor X plan (friends and family), A plan (Ford employee pricing), etc. It's totally up to the dealer. X plan pricing is at or near invoice (depending on model and options). IF you find a dealer that will honor any of the Ford pricing plans for the Mustang GT, jump on it. The vast majority of them won't (but will for slower selling models like the 500, Explorer, F-150, etc).
If planned properly, the demand for the Mustang would be present for the entire line and not just one segment of production. Today, you can still drive to work and rarely see a Mustang on the road. This is not a positive sign for a "high-production" model no matter how you look at it.
I am old enough to remember the sales of the first Mustangs in the 60's. All units regardless of model was snapped up. Customers actually followed the delivery trucks to the dealership to purchase one. You saw these cars everywhere even on your street (my street had two!). You couldn't read a magazine without a advertisement of this new offering and this "excitement" continued well-into the '65 year run. This was indeed volume sales and demand at it's best along with professional marketing. This, of course, was before the internet advertising philosophy (post it; and they will come!). The sales numbers then greatly dwarfed the numbers of today's model.
Unfortunately, the pricing of the new models are just too high in my opinion to compete with other offerings. And as for marketing, you don't really see much after the infamous Steve Mc Queen t.v. commercial. The numbers of units still on dealer lots appear to point to this point. There may well be a disconnect in the marketing plan; if there is a plan curentcurrently. a former PR "hack", my "limited" experience tells me that "someone has dropped the ball along the way," as my old boss used to say. I discussion has come up in conversations I have had with several sales personnel at my local dealer during my trips for scheduled maintenance on my '04 GT. They say it would be great if they could provide a more resonablreasonableo clear their lots. The product is present and ready to go but, potential customers are not willing to pay premium prices for six-bangers. Chrysler is also experiencing this situation with the Dodge Charger. The hemi models are in short supply but,their base models are priced too rich for those showing any initial interest.
There are some great offerings coming on line in the near future mimicking the 60's muscle cars from the other manufacturers. Time will tell if their "market-teers" will follow this same, sad pricing guideline. When all is said and done; the fact remains that the manufacturer cannot survive by selling a percentage of a 160K unit run. There is a small window of opportunity for the "excitement" of these types of offerings to ultimately die down and the window is getting smaller as this segment gets crowded by other manufacturers.
In evaluating a company's performance, sales are only one measure. One has to take into account a host of other variables, conveniently termed a "business model," to determine its profitablity. In short, Ford and GM may be riddled with waste and unnecessary costs. The burden of costs added by unionization, as one example, has already been brought up here.
Fact is, the MSRP for an '05+ Mustang GT (non-convertible) will vary from about $26K (standard) to $28+K (premium...all loaded up). To find that kind of style, with performance of 0-60 in under 6 seconds, good handling, many features, is next to impossible. We've debated several times about the Pontiac GTO being similar, but the style is "ho-hum", and it stickers for over $30K. GM has had, and continues to have a hard time selling them....even with rebates.
I've seen V6 Mustangs selling for around the $18K range (base models). While they are much more plentiful than the GTs, I don't see any fire sales on them. Ford certainly hasn't needed to put any incentives on them. Plus, you'll see more of them on the lots because Ford makes 3 times as many V6 Mustangs as they do GTs. The lower price point dictates they'll sell more V6s than they do the costlier GTs.
My former dealer had 6 V6 Mustangs on their lot (no GTs) as of Jan 2-3. They're all gone, now. He's waiting for his next shipment of Mustangs to arrive. It takes him all of 2-3 weeks to turn over his entire Mustang inventory. That's damn good. The story repeats itself with just about every Ford dealer around me....even with snow on the ground when coupe sales are slow.
I'm sure the mix for Chargers is similar to the Mustang. Base models are always more plentiful than the premium models (in this case, the Hemi version) because they produce more base models.
Because you want to buy a GT, but either can't find one, or aren't willing to pay the going rate for one, doesn't mean they aren't priced right. On the contrary...if most people wouldn't buy them at the price asked, supply and demand dictates that the sales price would be lower.
The excitement factor for the Mustang is still high....over a year after they were brought to market. That's why GTs are hard to come by, even though the plant is running at full capacity.
Being conservative, 1/3rd of 190,000 is ~60,000 units for GT production ('05 models). With '06 production in full swing, I expect that 60,000 number is even higher adding together both '05 and '06 GT production, so far.
I'm fairly new to the Mustang forum. I have been following it for a few weeks now. Yesterday, I ordered my GT Premium Redfire convertible and they wouldn't budge from the MSRP but I expected that from the start.
Is there a way of following the progress of my Mustang through production. I ordered a Dodge Truck years back and I was given a order number so I could call an automated line and get updated on its progress throughout production and delivery. Does Ford do the same thing or do I have to call the dealership periodically to get info?
I have the VOC with a priority code of 10 and today the salesman called me a gave me the VIN number.
Any info or reference to a previous post would be helpful.
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Ken
Another interesting stat would be geographic breakdown of sales. For one, I see a whole lot more Mustangs in southern than in northern Calif.
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I would say that all that were produced of the '05 model year, were indeed sold. I certainly haven't seen any ads or stock of '05 units being advertised or on dealer lots. Of course, I've not been to every Ford dealer in the country, either.
Don't know what the breakdown by geography of Mustang sales. I'm sure Ford knows. But it's up to them to publicize those numbers. I haven't seen them posted anywhere, though.
I would imagine that warmer climates would have sold more Mustangs than colder ones. That would explain seeing more Mustangs on the road in Southern CA than in Northern CA. Coupe sales are always stronger in warmer climates.
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Receipt Date: 11/09/05 (I got my VIN# the next week)
Scheduled Date: 12/12/05
Status Date: 12/16/05
Description: PRODUCED
Delivery ETA: 12/27/05
Alright. So it's built. And not here yet. Flat Rock is 6 hours drive from Totonto, and I'm in the biggest shipping center in the country, and still no car. The dealership as expressed their anger to Ford and they 'dont know what to tell me'. According to them, the "don't know where it is". Now, I'm frustrated because you'd think they should be able to call ford and request status of this car and get a straight answer. Surely Ford tracks these vehicles during shipping via rail or truck? Why can't I get a straight answer as to why this car is almost a month late? Or at least an snswer like "You car is scheduled to leave Michigan a XX date?"
It just makes me think that either the dealership is BSing me, or Ford has 'lost' the car.
Any suggestions?
-Still driving a Dodge Neon. ARGH!