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Daimler's abuse of the Dodge Charger legacy.



  • turboshadowturboshadow Posts: 349
    ...was driving a station wagon and trailer shadowing James Dean on his fateful journey into the afterlife.

    My head is full of useless stuff like this. Must be getting old. I am. I'm 39 today :(

    Beats the alternative...

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 12,032
    turbo... what do you mean 'it beats the alternative'? i'm 10 years older than you are, i can sort of remember being 39 (in the good old days). :)
    since i have the bullitt movie, i'll have to see how the charger send off happens. ;)
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  • I'll sometimes use it in traffic when an aggressive driver gets twarted.
  • 1997montez341997montez34 NJ, USAPosts: 202
    This car will be a smash hit and will be a credit to the Charger name. IMHO.Very mean looking front end. Great HEMI engine. RWD. This is a real serious car folks.
  • johnbirdmanjohnbirdman Posts: 14
    You're right montez, this is a real serious car. I drove one and may buy one monday. It seems to me that the Charger name has almost become a burden on this car. It's a powerful, muscular looking sedan. Far superior to a 1996 Impala SS which was previously the champion of unappreciated American V8's in it's time.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Well there are a couple of these cars on the lot in Hemi form. I must say they look better in person than in photos. Ummm, that is all I have to say, other than it did not look like a Charger to me. Looks like a modified 300. Kinda too tall and bulky looking to be a sporty looking car, but if it lights your fire - go for it! The old Intrepid & 300M looks so much sleeker.
  • turboshadowturboshadow Posts: 349
    turbo... what do you mean 'it beats the alternative'?

    It means, "Better than being dead." Maybe its a regional thing. All my relatives say it after they make a comment about getting old.

  • utterutter Posts: 79
    My impression is, the police package is basically a stock Charger R/T.

    Exactly. A little interesting don't you think? Is the Charger R/T THAT powerful..:-)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 12,032
    finally got around to watching the whole bullitt movie tonight. the mustang couldn't budge the charger on the straightaway, but then before the gas station, there was a left handed bend, the mustang was on the left, and hit the charger in the left rear fender.
    i'll have to watch the movie again. i swear there was a pickup that had a paint job really similar to the go-man-go daytona theme. the main color was more orange, but the stripe looked really similar in style. since the movie was at the point just after mcqueen noticed the lurking charger, i decided just to keep watching.
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,321
    Just read an article on the Charger in one of my magazines (I think it was last weeks Autoweek). ANyway, they loved it, and made plenty of good points about the 4 door controversy.

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  • grbeckgrbeck Posts: 2,361
    I looked at a Charger SXT at the local Dodge dealer. The sticker was $25,000+. At that price, Pontiac and Buick should be worried. This car blows the LaCrosse and Grand Prix out of the water.
  • davem2001davem2001 Posts: 564
    Well, Pontiac should be worried, but I think the LaCrosse is aimed at a different buyer.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,044
    while on vacation in Florida. On the last leg of the trip down, once I finally got too tired to drive I laid down in the back seat and let one of my buddys take over. I saw the roofline of a car that passed that I didn't immediately identify. Made me hop up to look, and sure enough, it was a Charger! From the back, at night, it looks a lot like an Intrepid, except that the taillights light up with two distinctive circles on each side.

    Me likey! :shades:
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,321
    go for it. Get something nice to put in the new garage.

    You seem more like a CHarger guy than a 300C guy too.

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  • jimhemijimhemi Posts: 223
    Yeah, there is just something weird about seeing a 300C going through a burnout box.
  • utterutter Posts: 79
    "Just read an article on the Charger in one of my magazines (I think it was last weeks Autoweek). ANyway, they loved it, and made plenty of good points about the 4 door controversy."

    The article is online...good read:
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    People may be tired of the UPS ad by now, which goes,' let's race the truck ', so how about a new one. Dodge could have a let's race the Marathon Taxi car ad. At 4,000# one or two brisk trips around the ol' race course and it is time for new tires. This has got to be one of the strangest cars to date. Sort of like a high school design project to turn a 300 car into something sporty. Saw a couple at the local dealership. Have yet to see them on the road. It does look better when you actually view the car instead of photos on the Net, but that is about as far I'd go in saying anything kindly about this new look. The 300M or the Intrepid were by far more pleasing to the eye. The new 300 hits the mark for those looking for different sort of luxury car. Guess you can pretend you have a Bentley, or something. To make a sporty car out of it is a stretch indeed. Let's race the taxi!
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  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    The new Charger is a 2006 representation. The old cars were not Pony cars like Mustangs, but Chevelle/Torino competitors. Today's real world buyer wants better access into the interiors.

    Anyway, compared to the 75-77 Cordoba clone Charger or the Omni one, the "fer der" is way better. ;)
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Since some people are buying it, what can I say. Looks like a hack job on a 300 to me, but if it sells, that is all that matters. I guess today's buyer is fatter, and has a bad back, like me, so taller and fatter cars make marketing sense. Looked at a PT, and it is real easy to get in and out of. Looks cool and I could buy three of them for the price of one Charger -- OK, just kidding. I may buy one though. For a bigger car that gets up and goes, I'd say the Magnum, Mustang or GTO for around $30K or under is what I would consider. With gas to hit $3 or more a gallon, gas consumption does come into play. Anyway, I can see why someone would be interested in the boss looking 300 or Magnum, but I don't really get what the Charger is suppose to be. The front, side and back don't seem to be made for one car. Oh well, the high door window sills on most of these new cars is a turn off anyway. Lots of flat sided, huge doors, with little slits for windows. How do you hang an elbow out? Would be a good thing too to start a diet program for new cars. Seems they are gaining a few pounds per decade. OK, I am too :surprise:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 12,032
    i kind of wanted to like this car stylingwise, but it just looks awkward.
    just saw the "now you're messing with a ...." commercial. reminded me of my old expedition, loved giving it the gas coming out a toll booth.
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  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    I like 'em better in person than in the pics I think. Front looks good to me. I'm really looking forward to seeing the Daytona R/T version (yeah, that's right...I love the tacky stripe-and-spoiler look when it comes to muscle cars...:blush: )

    I like the ad too...who's the band doing the song (Nazareth cover/sample)?
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,044
    is the best looking part of the Charger! It's turned off some people and has been criticized as being too SUV-like, but hey, that's how cars USED to look, before all distinction was lost in an aerodynamic blur.

    Now I'll admit that it's anything BUT a beauty queen, but it's one of those cars that I'd classify as "ugly, but in a cool sort of way" :P I want one.
  • I know its just a car, but i think it's also an incredibly creative response to a fickle market that's full of coulda-woulda-should Monday morning engineers that couldn't design their way out of a paper bag.
    Designing a machine that's part legislation, part materials, part feel and all ego is NOT easy. Otherwise we wouldn't be a wash in designs that evoke nothing.
    The new technically AMAZING Corvette is still wearing one of the most tired sports car bodies to ever be built. For that matter, GM only has 3 or 4 cars worth looking at, much less spending $$ on... I just can't remember what they are.
    I can't even recall what a Ford 500 looks like 10 seconds after I see it.
    GTOhh my god that's so "nothing" to even be called ugly.

    Hats off to DC for having the courage to go for a unique look that only whiners & old (& cheap) farts will ever find fault with.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 12,032
    maybe i'm older than some others. guess it means i've seen more types of styling. i preferred the concept car from about 5 years ago to the current design charger. i do think the black stripe on the rear fender on the daytona(?) model improves the look. so what beautiful design do you drive?
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  • digaditdigadit Posts: 1
    It is true,
    The pusrist may not find much solice in the design aspects of the 05 Charger.
    At first look, its hard to find any retro influence at all... I suspect this was deliberate
    on behalf of Mr.Creed's design team. If their task was to deliver a rear-drive model that combines technology, current market styling (less retro) with ample hp, then they suceeded.

    The disgruntaled pusrist never makes mention of the 340 hp HEMI in the base RT model that delivers both performance and economy with a state-of-the-art drivetrain
    that with a switch of a button, will go between burn-out mode and a no-slip, off the line start that will launch the driver off the local traffic light -like they're at the local dragstrip.
    Sunday, Sunday , Sunday!!

    I suggest the purist must get over his hurdles after an ample raod test.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,321
    I'll toss this out (then duck): If it wasn't for he Dukes of Hazzard, this thread woun't exist, and hardly anybody would even remember what a '68 Charger looks like! It never was quite the icon that a Mustang (or Camaro) was.

    Mopar nuts and other "purists" can be excluded from that statement (and I guess people who really liked Bullit)!

    It is at least 30 years since they made a "real" Charger. At least the ponys lasted until recently (Camaro/Firebird) or are still going ('Stang).

    WOnder if there would have been this much uproar if they had produced the '99 concept instead? It almost seems the discussion has shifted away from the classic, and more toward the concept, as the point of comparison.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,044
    is that the '99 concept WAS a 4-door! It was a closely-coupled 4-door, but a 4-door nonetheless. Think of it as the precursor to the Benz CLS, which they call a "4 door coupe". Now I'll admit that I LOVED the 1999 concept, but that was from a different era altogether now. Back then, the plan was for there to be two different styles of LX car for both Chrysler and Dodge. There would be a taller, upright design, most likely called Intrepid and Concorde, which would reflect the trend toward taller cars that was starting around that time, and then there would be a low-slung, sporty style, most likely called the Charger and the 300N.

    The '99 style was really a looker, but wouldn't have been a good mass market car. It would've been more of a niche product most likely, and not enough volume to stand on its own. But, even if the actual Charger isn't the looker the '99 Concept was, it could always be worse. They could've gone in the direction of that Dodge Super Eight Hemi concept of a few years ago! Although in some respects, I think they DID go in that direction, with the nose...


    And Stickguy, I'd agree that it was probably the Dukes of Hazzard that made the Charger famous. Or infamous...take your pick!
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    It seems to me that D-C had was invoking same design philosophy as it did with the PT Cruiser: create a style that evokes a retro connection, but without specifically identifiable retro design cues.

    Anyone on the street will say the PT Cruiser has a retro design, but they'd be hard pressed to say what vehicle specifically the design mimics (1940s hot rod? 1920s gangster car? 1930s delivery van?)

    The Charger design theme seems designed to evoke the theme of a musclecar rather than a specific vehicle of the past. It's big & blocky, rwd, and made vaguely menacing/ominous through the juxtaposition of a somewhat ordinary design with everyone's knowledge of what's under the hood. The mid-1990s Impala SS had the same idea.

    By way of contrast, say "2005 Mustang" and just about everyone says "1968 Mustang." Different design philosophy entirely.

    As much as I like the new Mustang, I'm willing to bet the Charger design wears better in the long run. Obvious retro gets stale fast.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Hummm, what is tired about about the Corvette? Looks to me like it is the beauty and the beast, well ya know which car that is. You may as well face the facts, the Charger is a make over of the 300 gone awry. Looks like some high school class project - the one that lost. They had a very fine looking car, which I assume cost too much to make, and was scrapped. Too bad it did not make it. The 300M was a great design. Are we now in a new era of truck-cars? No offence to the El Camino, which looks fine ;)
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    The Mustang got a little too close to the 1968-69 and interior wise the 1965, and thus becomes something of a replica car. A good one at that, but non-the-less, a bit too retro. Seems to be a good value for the money, and not bad looking compared to some other THINGS on the road. I think the 1994-98 were about the best looking Stangs. They captured the original theme in a modern shape, with smooth flowing lines. Looks smaller too. The New Stang, is getting a little fatter. Actually the '99 gained a little size. I think they should have stayed the course with modern Mustangs, based on the spirit of the pony car. As for the Charger, it does not seem to fit anything class wise. The 300 and Magnum seem OK, in their own strange way. At a certain point, it has to stop. Why don't they just have Dodge trucks and Chrysler cars? I hope they bring some lighter and smaller cars into the line-up. Something with smooth and sporty lines. I think the block look fades away, sales wise, within a short period of time. In the 1964-67 period things had to be rectangle, followed by some beautiful cars, like the 1968 Malibu SS and the Camaro. The box died. Well, I must admit, some like the box look and thus the success of the xB by Scion. Looks like a circus car to me, but what the heck, it sells. My guess is four years on the big boss looking boxy car look cars. I could be wrong, as people still think an SUV box is stylin' !
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