Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    A 300ZX 2+2 might work, but those rear seats are tiny. Plus, 2+2s are really hard to find with a manual tranny.

    M3s are great. I love them. Kinda cheap inside and almost all molested at this point. If they aren't they are priced too high.

    CLKs are nice but a little boring. I'd probably get a Lexus SC300/400 instead and at least have some reliability.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    "I'd probably get a Lexus SC300/400 instead and at least have some reliability. "

    Here's an idea - get an SC300 and somehow retrofit the Supra Turbo gear - that would be a 'sleeper'!

    (You did say you have money to burn, right ;) )
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    My buddy who has the two 1978 Diamond Jubilees is finally getting around to selling off his beat-up one. here's the Craigslist ad. He says he's already getting scammers! I've never tried selling anything on Craiglist, but I've heard that's a common problem.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    He's asking too much money I think in the November 2008 market--at least given the info he is offering in the ad. The car is basically totalled. On a good day, running well and looking good, this is a $10,000 car right now. (I bet he didn't even pay that for it). With a bad engine and bad steering box and no mention whatsoever of cosmetics, I'm not surprised he's attracting moose flies.

    Maybe he needs to rewrite the ad and say more about the BODY and INTERIOR and CHROME, which is, after all, the only saleable portions!

    Maybe you can help him out! A new set of words will do him wonders.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,009
    i think he ought to rewite this part a bit: Paynment by cashier's check or cash (in person) only.
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    LOL, I didn't notice that little double entendre there. Well, the car HAS been a pain lately, and probably gonna be a pain to unload!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,738
    I think he's going to need to knock his price in half if he really wants to sell that beast...if he's lucky
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,346
    If it was running, I'd take a stab at it. I passed on a really nice '79 Collector's Series a few years back for $2500. The guy wanted to unload it fast (wife). The Collector's was really just a DJE in different color combos available only with the 400 (351M).

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    I went through a phase when I wanted that car, too. My buddy ended up buying another Diamond Jubilee that only had about 11,000 miles on it and looked almost brand-new, discovering that it's much cheaper to just buy a car that's already pristine, rather than trying to start with one that's not so great to begin with and try to improve it.

    He had talked about selling it a couple years ago, for maybe $3-4K...back when it was still running. It's a shame the engine blew up on him. I drove the car a couple times when he first got it, and it was a nice running car. It wasn't so impressive from, say, 0-60...probably because even though the engine was built up, it still had the tall 2.50:1 stock rear-end holding it back. But then it would hit 60 and just keep on going. Passing power was excellent, as well, although the thing was so danged bouncy that it could get kinda scary when driven fast. Try to dart into the passing lane real fast to pass some slower traffic and the car would do it, but the way it leaned would just exaggerate the experience.

    I used to think that if I ever wanted to get one of these big boats, I'd really want the 460. But the more I think about it, if I had one, it's not like I'd take it drag racing. I think the 400 only had 159 hp by 1979, which sounds awful when you figure the Mark V and Continental sedan/coupe probably weighed about 5,000 lb. But I guess it was still torquey enough to get the job done.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    You know the kids are actually doing this these days. I've seen several of the SC300 Turbos. However, I've never seen one with upgraded brakes or a decent suspension.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I agree--the cost of a rebuilt engine is worth more than the car itself, if you do it right THIS time. Better to just buy a good running one. They are pretty cheap these days and I don't think they are going to go up in value anytime soon either. These are the Grim Years, after all, mid 70s to mid 80s.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,346
    But I guess it was still torquey enough to get the job done.

    I had a '79 Continental Coupe w/ the 400 and it wasn't that bad. The only mod it had was dual exhaust. I really like the late 70s Lincolns. My '79 was a beater, but wouldn't mind finding a decent one (Mark or Cont coupe) in the 6 - 7K range to drive occaisionally. Its a shame the 460 was dropped for '79 because IMO the color combos for the Collector's series were nicer than the DJE.

    Am I correct that the Thunderbird also had a DJE edition as well?

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    My friend did look into getting another engine put in, but I forget now how much the mechanic told him it would be. It didn't seem too outrageous. Unfortunately, there's the fact that the car has all those other issues, so it just seemed like throwing more money into a pit.

    I was really surprised at how quickly this car deteriorated. I remember when he bought it, and drove it to Maryland from New Mexico. At the time it seemed really nice, although the paint was starting to crack here and there if you really looked closely. I think he's had it about 5 years now. It's sat outside all that time, but he'd usually keep it under a cover...one of those "breathable" types. Still, it just seemed like the paint and interior went to hell alarmingly fast. I wonder if the climate change could do that...with the car spending most of its life out in a warm, dry climate and suddenly getting subjected to Maryland's wider variety of weather?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well frankly these cars were not of the highest quality.

    I'd think a rebuilt engine, if you bought a short block, would easily cost over $5,000 with labor, perhaps more. I doubt you could even buy a long block, so you'd need to do the heads, water pump, blah blah. So you can see the car is basically totalled if it has any kind of cosmetic defects. It's really a parts car, sounds like. Nobody restores these things that I know of. They DO preserve good ones, yes.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    Am I correct that the Thunderbird also had a DJE edition as well?

    Yeah, I think the '78 T-bird offered a DJE edition, and then it was re-issued for 1979 as the "Heritage". One of my mother's cousins had a '79 Heritage...it was a deep burgundy with a landau top that covered the big side windows in back, leaving just the little opera windows in the "basket handle". The carpeting in the trunk was more upscale than what's in most cars today, and the carpeting in the interior was twice as nice as that!

    I wanted to buy it when she decided to sell it, but I was a little tight on cash at the time, and I wouldn't have had a place to store it. And it was so nice that it deserved to be garaged! I think she would've let me have it for $3000-3500.

    I like that icy blue that they offered on the '78 Mark V, but didn't care for that champagne color they had. What colors did they offer for 1979? I've seen that deep midnight blue, which seems really common, but I'm guessing there were a few other choices? Was the midnight blue a metallic? My '79 New Yorker is a midnight blue they called "Nightwatch", but it's a non-metallic. Probably the main reason that it's still fairly shiny after 30 years! Although when it comes to washing it, it's just as bad as black...looks dirty about 15 minutes after it dries. :mad:
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    thanks. As soon as I get my convertible out of the shop, the DeSoto's going in next, in an attempt to make it road-worthy again. It mainly just needs brake work, a carb rebuild, and some maintenance (belts, hoses, tuneup, coolant flush, tranny flush, etc) but I'm sure the mechanic will find other issues as he gets into it.

    Oh, and seatbelts. I'm going to have seatbelts put in. I was 20 when I bought this car, and back then, seatbelts didn't seem like that big of a deal. But I'm much more aware of my mortality these days, and don't feel nearly as indestructible as I did when I was 20. :P
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well don't let him just punch holes in the floor to anchor them. They'll need eye-bolts and good bracing under there or they'll just pull out in a crash.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804
    I like these cars.
    But this is AT LEAST his 3rd time listing it ... which makes me wonder what is wrong.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It's the high miles.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,346
    What colors did they offer for 1979?

    They had the blue which IIRC was metallic. They also had white with white vinyl and blue interior and a handful of silver with blue vinyl and blue interior. All nice combos IMO. The goldish DJE is not my fav either.

    Here is an example of a white Collector's<a href="

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804
    What I meant to say was, I'm pretty sure it sold both times, too.

    120k on a Nissan I don't think worries most people.

    These Spec Vs are great at the autoX. For $3500, if its in good shape, I'd really love this, I think.

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  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    Did it sell that cheap the previous times?

    I looked on the Seattle Craigslist, and the first 3 Spec-Vs listed had rebuilt titles. That is kind of a problem with these cars; they appeal to the "street racer" types. Many of them have led a hard life, have questionable mods, and frequently accident histories, (whether it shows on the title or not). :(

    Still, I would think that they would be a hoot to drive and they seem to sell pretty cheap.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804
    I can't remember what it sold for before. Unfortunately, I deleted them from my "watched" items.

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  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    I found it by searching "completed listings". SER

    It sold for $4,205. The winning bidder had zero feedback. Maybe he was a 13 year old dreamer. :(
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    Nobody sweats the details like this guy.

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    Here's a little sales tip. Unless you are taking a close up picture of the engine, close the hood. Cars look oh so much better with closed hoods.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Olds F-85 -- call Acme Auto Wrecking.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    $65K for a fake Shelby, and a bestial 427 besides? Don't think so. Try $45K

    '54 Caddy convert---price seems about market correct

    '55 Chevy Resto-rod -- tough sell in this market at $32K. Try $25,000.

    XKE SIII Porker Automatic -- Sale-proof in November 2008, IMO. Hold it until Spring, try $41-42K
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I really like that '30 Chevy 4door. He may think it's an "easy" restoration but try getting parts for a '30 Chevy. These did not survive like '30 Fords did.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I like the 30s Chevy too. Neat car. Good price.

    I didn't know the Continentals of that year cost more than Rolls Royces.

    I like the lines of the 70 Catalina conv. Very nice lloking ride, and the colors are good too. I used to hate domestics from this era with a passion when I was yuonger, now I really like em for some reason.

    240D: One person wrote that it's bette rthna most of the new stuff from MB. "Keep up the good work" ummm, they don't make them anymore, and if they'd keep up the good work, then all Benzes would be as bulletproof as that one.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804
    If it wasn't for the color, I think I might actually kinda sort like that TR6. I'm amazed that the engine doesn't look more "crammed in there."

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    I think that '70 Catalina looks gorgeous in profile. I also like the fact that it looks good with the top up...something few modern convertibles can claim.

    I never really cared for the front-end style of them, though. That thin, tall, neoclassic grille just doesn't look right on a wide, low-slung car. It leaves too much body-color up front. I also don't care for the widely spaced headlights or the little horn ports mounted inward of them, giving it a busy "6 headlight" effect. But I guess if they didn't put something in that spot, it would look pretty empty!

    IMO, that 1970 represents the beginning of Pontiac's downfall. I had a '69 Bonneville, which is almost exactly the same car, but that thing had a look to it that managed to be ugly, tough, yet cool and sporty all at once. The '70 just seems kinda wussy I guess, in comparison. My '69 had strong acceleration and handled great for something that massive, traits I'm sure the '70 had as well. I guess it just doesn't look as much the part, starting to trade sportiness for the personal luxury look, which was just starting to come into vogue.

    I wonder if the price guides reflect much of a difference in value between a big '69 Pontiac and its '70 counterpart?

    Still, I could live with a car like that. Price seems decent to me, if the car checks out okay in person.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I was gonna say the same thing. The Catalina's profile is beautiful. I thought it was a coupe for a second because the soft top has a good profile and fit to it too.

    And I agree about the front end. The grille is too massive vertically for the lines of the car.

    But you can't have everything....

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    I kinda like this 1972 Impala hardtop coupe. It has the more rare roofline that was shared with the Catalina/Bonneville, LeSabre, and Delta 88. Most Impalas had that more upright C-pillar with the concave rear window, shared with the Caprice.

    I guess the big question would be, how much is "a little rust?" :confuse:

    Here's a 1971 Impala convertible that I think is pretty nice, although I'd lose the fender skirts pronto. I forget now how much hp the 402 put out. I want to say around 235, but I'm not sure. Anyway, it ain't no 454, but it's still a cut above those 350's and 400 smallblocks.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    The Mark III really never did anything for me, one way or another. But for some reason, this one caught my eye.

    Price actually seems reasonable IMO, so I wonder what it's hiding? :P
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,009
    i love that front bumper. pushed in on one side, pulled out on the other.
    average it out, it's perfect.
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    i love that front bumper. pushed in on one side, pulled out on the other.
    average it out, it's perfect.


    In a twisted sort of way, I think that gives the car some character. I mean nowadays if a modern car takes a light blow to the front-end, it pretty much ceases to exist in front of the radiator...almost like a slate wiped clean.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,009
    if you want to see a good selection of Marks, go to hemmings.

    a local dodge dealer has a small car museum with some interest mopars, and others. some of the pictures are just hosted for others.

    look for 'tours' on the bottom right then 'vehicle tours'
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,738
    I think the front passenger side tire gives it character too :P

    Seeing a car with a bent front end like that coming up behind you makes you get out of the way fast
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,738
    I think that 30 Chevy is best left as-is. I have a great deal of respect for well-preserved original cars. Restorations are boring, something that has stood the test of time and still looks presentable is commendable.

    IIRC those Continentals cost around 10K then, same as a Rolls. Ford probably lost money on them too, as Caddy did with the Eldo Brougham.

    The Pontiac has a great profile.

    I agree about MB...they should keep up the old work. I can't say I believe many 08 models will still be around in 2038.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    A 460 in 1969? Really?
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    It' amazing how much different GM could make a Catalina and Impala with different personalities back then. The Catalina does appear more aggressive while the Impala ( I agree, the wheel covers must go) is more blue collar.

    If I had to choose between the 2 , give me the Catalina even though my Dad would kill me. The avocado green '72 Catalina was the worst car he ever owned. He always keeps cars 10 years, the Pontiac made it to 4.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    A 460 in 1969? Really?

    Oh...that's right. They were still using 462's in 1969, weren't they?
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    If I had to choose between the 2 , give me the Catalina even though my Dad would kill me. The avocado green '72 Catalina was the worst car he ever owned. He always keeps cars 10 years, the Pontiac made it to 4.

    Maybe Dad should've gotten an Impala then. My grandparents bought a '72 Impala 4-door hardtop, and it did make it to 10 years. ;) It was pretty ratty by that time, though, although they sold it for $600 to some friends, who put a new vinyl roof on it, and a year later sold it for $700. Still ran well, but the body was disintegrating.

    Maybe it's because I remember that Impala from my childhood, but I'd definitely prefer it to the Catalina. I like the front-end, with its simple, low grille. I know Shifty probably hates it when I say this, but I think it actually looks sporty for such a big car!

    In contrast, the Catalina is just much fussier and pimpier, I guess...
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    But I agree, it does still manage to pull off sort of a tough, aggressive look. And in those days, a Pontiac still managed to let you know that it was upscale from a Chevy. It looks like a bigger car to me, and does ride a longer wheelbase 124" versus 121.5" for the Impala. I vaguely remember an old Consumer Reports comparison test of the two though, that put them both at the same length, around 221". That's kinda odd back then, for the domestics to make a longer car, but with less overhang. Usually they'd just tack on more overhang, as a cheap, easy way to make the car look bigger.

    Or maybe it's just some minor detail, like the Impala's front-end having a more prominent "vee" that stuck out more?

    As I recall, even once they started putting those massive, jutting crash bumpers on the cars, the Impala still managed to stay around 221" long, although the Catalina had bulked up to around 227". Considering that those bumpers had to add at least a few inches up front and in the rear, I wonder how they managed to maintain the length on the Impala?
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    I got a phone call yesterday from someone who is interested in the MIL's Jeepster.

    He asked a few questions about the condition of the body, top and interior. I told him there was some surface rust on the body, but that the top and interior were probably 7 out of 10. He's driving back to Chicago from Denver this weekend, and I gave him my MIL's phone number so he could call her and make an appointment to see the vehicle on his way back.

    I called the first interested party back as well and gave him the same information, along with my MIL's contact information.

    We'll see if either of these leads turns into a sale.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Only $6K and no one will know if you restored it wrong.

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    Can it be saved? Should it be?
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    "Only thing left to do is put it back together"
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    Worth the money or better off doing your own thing for the same cash?
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/923068710.html

    I have a soft spot for these for some reason. Not as beautiful as its younger brothers, but I like 'em
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    "Modified....not sure what all has been done my husban works on it alot and only he would know" :P
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/922180216.html

    Forget that Mustang. Buy THIS for the same money?
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/921684484.html

    "but believe me this car is mechanicaly sound as a pound"
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    "Car needs a paint job" I agree!
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Kallista -- oh gee an automatic V8 kit car---just what I always wanted. Not too bad as long as you don't mind going POOF! if you hit something. At least you'd never survive the accident and be crippled. (I can always look on the bright side of things). :)

    '35 Buick -- might be worth saving if he GAVE it to you. His price is ridikkalus! Try $1500 bucks and be happy.

    65 Karman Ghia -- seller needs to get real on the price. Restoring a Ghia is not cheap---costs as much as a Porsche. Every part is pricey-pricey, especially the shiny bits. Try $3000 and hug the buyer's ankles.

    '66 Mustang Coupe -- I think he botched it up. Just go buy a nice one instead. No upside here.

    Nissan 240 -- Acme Auto Wrecking, for sure.

    58 MGA -- fair bit of bastardization but the price seems fair enough as compensation. Probably way more reliable than the original. One would have to inspect this "rust repair" however. This is not an easy car to restore, body-wise. If you can keep total cost under $15K, it's a nice enough toy for the money. A "real" one fully restored would cost you double that.

    Dodge Swinger-- seems fair enough

    72 Cutlass -- fair enough
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Cut the roof off, fill it with soil, and plant some flowers in it. That would be a good prohect for this one.

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