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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...as that travesty called a LeMans but close:]

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    Anybody recall the Chevrolet Spectrum? I would refer to this "car" as the Rectum!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,060
    Those Scotsmans were actually good sellers...particularly after the "Packard" ownership years of the Corporation. Their success paved the way for the '59 Lark, which tripled sales of 1958 models. I've read that the Scotsman was only built for the last three months of the '57 model year, but sold 20,000 units. At least, Studebakers of that era avoided the pudgy look of other cars, and had a nice low beltline.

    Bill
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,060
    Those Skylarks of the early '80's had interiors that WAY bested K-cars, though. They had an especially handsome instrument panel, round dials of a brushed background, like a scaled-down '77 LeSabre or Electra panel.

    Bill
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,060
    I'm a dummy about posting pictures, but I can't stand 1962 Rambler Classics. They look like a Soviet Union car...as does the 1961 Rambler Ambassador! Always hated those speedometers that read 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 instead of 0, 10, 20, etc.!

    I have to admit, a rare AMC product that I DO like is those '74-78 two-door Matadors, as long as they had the large quarter windows and not the stupid opera-windows. I always liked luxurious cars with fastback rooflines, like '65 Bonnevilles, '67 Wildcats, '71 and '72 Buick Centurions, etc....sometime in the '70's Ford and GM decided luxury meant formal rooflines, which I don't like nearly as well. You could get those Matador coupes with pretty nice interior trim. I'll admit I didn't like how you could stick your hands down between the bumpers and the body of the car....no bumper fillers!

    Bill
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    Twin brothers, childhood friends of mine, received an 81 Skylark sedan for their first car (to share), this was around 1996. Their dad bought it out of an estate, and IIRC it had something like 20K miles on it - it was pristine, dark blue on dark blue. Those boys ran it into the ground, it was really sad.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    1962 Rambler Classic
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    The front end doesn't look too bad, considering some of the monstrosities floating around at the time. The reverse-angle C-pillar ruins the greenhouse, though.

    1974 Matador coupe
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    Nope, you're on your own for that one. I'll take a 240Z over that beast any day.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I don't think the Matador Coupe would look too bad if they brought the bottom edge of the quarter side window even with the rear window. The front end, however, is pretty gruesome and reminds me of a frog.

    The 1961 Rambler American could've been more appropriately called the Rambler Soviet:

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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    GaZ-24 Volga:

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    Aw, you're shooting fish in a barrel - were these great looking cars? No way. But I kinda like the distinctive look of that Matador, compared to many of the others of the day. And using a 240z, possibly one of the best designs ever, for comparison is plane cruel! ;)
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,060
    I like those first Barracudas, but Andre, you can't like those '67-'69's with the tiny little coupe roofline, do you?

    Bill
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,060
    Now that I look at the photo of that teal-colored Studebaker Scotsman again, the guy obviously grafted a set of fins from something else onto the car. Scotsmans never got big fins in the slightest--just the basic '57 Stude taillight pod with a simple round taillight in the middle.

    Bill
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,060
    Speaking of small rooflines, I'm a GM guy most of my life (gotta change my handle from 'uplanderguy', which I used on a whim only to post on the Uplander forum not long after I got it), but as handsome as the 1971 redesign of the Chevrolet Impala was, in my opinion, I do not like at all the 'Sport Coupe' iteration...a huge car with an undersized roof. Anybody else agree? This is a fun exercise.

    Bill
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,060
    I think the concept and features were great ones on the X-cars, but I think that's about the start of GM's problems that exist 'til today...execution.

    I remember seeing ads of a new '80 Citation Club Coupe, the bodystyle you almost never saw, in X-11 trim, silver with red striping. It was sharp then, and its styling would still hold up today. And it had a roomy interior (even back seat) for its exterior styling.

    Bill
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  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
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    Her's a picture of your X-11, Uplander. I agree it's a clean design. I have to say, though, that I was "in hate" with all almost all the American Cars of that era.

    My first company car was a K car.... I tore a couple of shirts on the unfinished edge of the door frame before I beat it flat with a hammer. It would stall at lights if the AC was on... even after I made them replace the compressor.

    Then I had a beige Citation.... not really a bad car solid and reliable but talk about Soviet-style practicality.... And I hated the Jimmy Carter's Democratic Big-Brother- knows-what's-good-for-you mandated 85 MPH max speedometer. I once had to fly to the airport to pick up an unexpected VIP visitor....and for some reason it bothered me not to know exactly how much the speeding ticket was going to cost. ;)
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    I agree with you on GM X-cars. If only they had been reliable and durable their legacy would have been very different. Also, GM wouldn't need a bailout today if the Vega had been an exception rather than the beginning in a long line of failed models.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    "...not really a bad car solid and reliable..."

    It's interesting that your Citation was reliable. Ours had some solid attributes (roomy, with good handling and performance for its day, for example), but reliability wasn't one of them. How many miles did your Citation have when you got rid of it?
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,060
    That's an '81 or later X11. The '80 didn't have the huge graphic, but had a stripe running down the side there, and chrome wheel opening moldings. The Club Coupe body style was somewhat of a notchback design, with a separate trunk, too. You hardly ever saw them.

    I gave serious consideration to buying a new '85 Citation II X11 but ordered a Celebrity Eurosport two-door with the MPI V6 instead. I knew they were going to be discontinued and would take a hit on resale value. The X11 was essentially the same car mechanically but was cheaper to buy and could be had with a stick shift, unlike the V6 Celebrity. Sort-of wish I had bought one. The '85 Citation II had a one-year only dash design that was an improvement on the '80-'84, IMHO.

    Bill
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  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    It's interesting that your Citation was reliable. Ours had some solid attributes (roomy, with good handling and performance for its day, for example), but reliability wasn't one of them. How many miles did your Citation have when you got rid of it?

    Ahhhh.... I didn't OWN it.... it was a company car... so I didn't even do the maintenance. I had it for a year... maybe 5 or 6 k miles only since I only used it at my office. I guess reliable is a relative term.. I never had anything give me a problem while I was drving it... not true in the !@#%!% K-car.

    That was a noisy, rough, slapped together POS. It was dying lemon yellow too.

    The Citation was a lot better ride in comparison.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Didn't the Sport Coupe have a concave rear window? My Uncle Daniel had a really nice dark blue 1970 Chevrolet Impala Custom that had the concave rear window. I really like the front end of the 1971 Chevrolet Impala/Caprice because it resembles a 1969-70 Cadillac.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,060
    The Custom Coupe (not an Impala trim level, just the formal top with concave back window) looked great; but in '71 and later, the Sport Coupe (fastback) to me didn't look nearly as good as the Custom Coupe.

    I like the front end of the '72 Chevrolet for the same reason you like the '71, but I like the '71's wide rocker moldings versus no rocker moldings on '72 Impalas.

    A friend when I was a teen, had both '70 and '71 Impalas in their driveway. Although the '71 looked more Cadillac-like, I do remember him saying that the '70 was so much more solid. I know the '70's interiors were way nicer; no flat black plastic, black steering wheels, and hard plastic lower interior door panels like the '71.

    Bill
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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    I'm guessing that your K-car was an early pre-fuel injected one (81-'84?). Those carburated ones were awful, in terms of driveability. Fuel injection fixed the stalling and related problems, but I agree that the GM X-cars drove, rode and steered better than the Chrysler K-Cars.

    As long as we're talking about Detroit disasters, we shouldn't forget the Ford twins, Tempo and Topaz. These were introduced in the '84 model year, so ford had some time to do a better job than GM and Chrysler, but I'm not sure where these ranked compared with their GM and Chrysler counterparts. Does anyone have an opinion on this?
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    Well, the Tempo/Topaz were not terrible...my FIL had one for a few years, nothing special, but not outrageously bad. Kind of like a big Escort.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    You're right that the K car was an early one... and yes, I suppose the later ones were better. But oh my goodness.... that was a bad car. When I was a kid the family owned a 68 Plymouth Valiant with the 225 slant six.... It wasn't any paragon of advanced engineering but it was a solid little tugboat that ran forever without a problem. The K car seemed an insult to that memory.

    An aging accountant I knew owned a Tempo. It wasn't a bad car to drive, although it was truely an accountant's car. Boring and bland and plain to look at. It was a good thing that she bought the extended warranty.... I think that Ford ultimately lost money on that whole deal by the time they finished repairing everything that broke. I don't recall the details of the problems, but there were plenty of them, I believe.
    By that time I was on my second Acura Integra... which seemed light-years better than any of the American competition.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    Yeah, the K-cars didn't hold a candle to the earlier Slant Six powered compacts. Although my family owned a Valiant, which exhibited the attributes you mentioned, we missed the bullet on the K-cars. My acquaintance with the K-car is from a family friend, who owned three of them, a carburated '81 or '82, which was really bad, in large part because of the carburater; a '85, which was much better than the first one; an '88 "Spirit-of-America", which was a little better than the '85.

    Our family friend, whose previous car was - you guessed it - a Slant Six equipped Dart, managed to get 100,000 miles from his first K-car, then the tranny went. The '85 and '88 each went >150,000 miles, so they must have been decent for cheap wheels.

    Of course, no K-car could even come close to the Integra, in terms of quality, engineering, reliability, durability, ride and handling, and so on. One redeeming attribute of the K-car was price. Our friend paid less than $10,000 for his '88, and less for the earlier ones.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    I like both rooflines for the Impala coupe. The faster roofline was shared with the Catalina/Bonneville, LeSabre, and Delta 88, and I find it attractive. But somehow, that more formal roofline, with the concave rear window and larger side windows, just seemed so perfect on the Impala. IIRC, the Caprice hardtop coupe also used that same roof.

    The '72 Impala is my favorite, of the '71-76 generation. I may just be biased, because my grandparents had a forest green hardtop sedan when I was a kid, that I absolutely loved, but overall I think it's just a clean, smooth, nicely styled car. I like the front-end with the low grille, that gives it a sporty look for such a big car. The '71 was good looking too, but I just like the '72 grille better.

    IIRC, for 1974, they changed the roofline of the Impala hardtop coupe. It still had a formal C-pillar, but just seemed a bit awkward. Plus, the rear window was no longer concave. The Caprice coupe that year went to stationary rear windows that were a bit narrow, and gave the car a mis-matched beltline. I can't remember if the Impala also got that style in '74, but for '75-76 I think the hardtop coupe was retired entirely from the Impala/Caprice line.

    As for build quality, the '65-70 models were definitely more substantial than the '71-76! I agree about the interiors, too. I really didn't like it when they went to the door panels where the lower parts were plastic. It wasn't too bad in the more upscale models, where they'd glue carpeting on there (it wouldn't always stay glued on, though)
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    my stepdad had a 1984 Tempo 2-door. It always seemed like a cheap piece of crap, but it did manage to make it to around 160,000 miles on the original drivetrain...mostly highway driving. I know it had some problems along the way, but can't remember now what all it needed. I think the two biggest problems with the car were performance and fuel economy. This thing was dog-slow. I drove it once. My 1980 Malibu coupe, not exactly a powerhouse with its 115 hp 229 V-6, felt like a musclecar in comparison! I have a 1985 Consumer Guide that timed a Topaz from 0-60 in 15.9 seconds. For comparison, they had a Plymouth Reliant that managed it in about 13.5, a Toyota Camry that did it in about 13.4, and a Honda Accord that was around 11.6...all of them automatics. They didn't show a 0-60 time for the Cavalier they tested, but rated it a "3", which would have put it similar to the Camry and Reliant, most likely. The Accord had been rated a "4", and the Topaz got a "2" in that category.

    As for fuel economy, I think my stepdad could get around 20 mpg around town in that Tempo, but on the highway it would only do around 25-27 or so. It would take an act of God to have gotten 30 mpg out of that car! Now part of the problem was that it only had a 3-speed automatic, rather than a 4-speed. And the 4-cyl they used was basically an old Falcon inline-6 with two cylinders removed, so it was probably heavy and inefficient compared to more modern 4-cyls. And I think it had a 2-bbl carb, instead of fuel injection. I'm sure the later Tempos were better once they got fuel injected. And I'd imagine that eventually, a 4-speed automatic found its way onto the option list.

    I think the Tempo and especially the Topaz sedans looked kind of attractive around 1988, when they got a refreshening. The coupes never looked good, IMO though.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,060
    Overall, I probably like the '72 Impala the best of the '71-76 years, too, but wish they'd have put a rocker molding on it. The Biscayne and BelAir had them, but the Impala and Caprice did not. Duh!

    In '74, the Sport Coupe got a squared-off quarter window and a flat rear window. We had one. My Dad wanted four windows that rolled down, and the Custom Coupe (and Caprice Coupe) had that roofline with the enormous, thick B pillar and quarter windows that did not roll down. They still had the concave rear window however.

    The '75 was the last year for the Impala Sport Coupe. I've often thought it would have been nice to have ordered one of these fully-loaded, with the brown herringbone 50/50 seats, power windows and the like. I prefer the '74 and '75 Sport Coupe roofline to the '71-'73.

    I also did not like at all, the '74-76 LeSabre, Catalina, and Delta 88 two-door rooflines....a door window, a small roll-down quarter window, and a goofy third window near the rear window!

    Bill
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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    "... I'd imagine that eventually, a 4-speed automatic found its way onto the option list."

    The Tempo/Topaz stayed with the 3-speed automatic as the only automatic until they were retired.

    Circling back to our family friend's '85 and '88 K-cars, I now recall that one of them blew a head gasket at ~145,000. He repaired it himself, for not much money but a lot of labor, and drove it at least another 10,000 miles. Then he sold it for a few hundred dollars. The A/C went out on the other one at around 150,000, but the drivetrain lasted until ~170,000, at which point he sold the car, for next to nothing.

    These K-cars delivered low cost-per-mile transportation, but our friend is very handy with a wrench.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    A Tempo/Topaz was probably no worse than the comparable Cadavalier clone or K-car. My parents bought an 85 Tempo new as a commuter as both had increasing travel distances for work etc, bought as a third car as not to destroy the other cars (a Ciera and a POS S-10 Blazer...why'd they care?). Anyway, this Tempo was a GLX model, pretty much every option, plush interior, even power seat/tach/wheels etc along with windows, trunk release, tape player. It got a huge amount of miles racked up in its first few years, then was used as a spare car, then used for kids. My mom finally got rid of it about 10 years ago, it had something around 190K on it at that time, and the powertrain had never been touched. It had some electrical glitches and it would puke up a primitive engine computer now and then, but it wasn't unreliable, it just got a little eccentric as it aged. The paint and interior held up very well - no dead paint, no cracking or tearing of the interior etc. I drove it pretty hard, and I am sure my sister and my cousin weren't easy on it either - but it kept on going. It had the painfully slow 2.3 HSC 4, I am sure my fintail could walk away from it. I remember I would drive it like a manual just to coax a little more speed out of it, as the slushbox was defiant and illogical. When the car was about 10 years old the exhaust system rotted out, and I drove it a few times like that - it didn't sound too bad, reminded me of a crappy rally car. I remember my mom sold it to a guy who worked for a tire shop...he updated some worn suspension bits, put some modern wheels on it, and gave it to his kid as their first car. She got $600 for it, which seemed good for a 190K mile Tempo. I saw it a few years ago.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    Nice late local fintail...owner has sunk a fortune into it, apparently...and he won't get it back. I can only wish my engine was that clean. Maybe with the dollar losing steam vs the Euro again, it will go back to Germany.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    That Falcon - As anyone who has ever seen a 4Dr Camry with a spoiler and a fartpipe exhaust knows, you work with what ya got.

    Only smells like antifreeze? Oh, OK then. That's worth $1000 bucks. After looking at that picture who ever would think you'd want to use the heater anyway?

    I want that MGB, bad, and I'm not even really an MG fan.

    Mustang - I wouldn't be in any Rousch to buy it. I bet I'd be able to get one at the dealer without 30 miles on it for less money
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    98 BMW 528i -- well if you're going to roll the dice on a high-miles BMW, this might be the one. Looks like a nice car.

    95 Taurus Wagon --let's see---smells of antifreeze when you turn the heater on, but not when the heater is off. Could it be the heater core? Gee, I just don't know.

    72 MGB/GT -- well... it bid to $6600 and he turned that down. It's a coupe, so you can't expect convertible money. He certainly did a good eBay ad. I'd guess that with thicker sway bars, poly bushings all round, and modified suspension, AND this being a hard-riding car to begin with, that driving this baby on the streets of a city is going to be a pretty brutal affair indeed.

    Avanti -- the car that would not die. Please go away.

    2001 Honda -- Blue Book asking price is $7900 and he wants 6400 for a salvaged car. Oh my, someone needs a cruel and sobering reality check.

    2008 Brand New Roush -- so who cares? Are you thinkin' it's hard to find one?
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Anybody know anything about it?

    I have this guy in Nigeria that wants to pay big money for my car...just kidding. In all seriousness, if I wanted to get a car from Birmingham, AL to the Netherlands what is the best way to do it? It looks like the car would ship from Jacksonville, FL. Can the seller arrange to have it picked up here in Birmingham and shipped out of Jacksonville? Do I have to do a lot of paperwork or is that the seller's problem? Any other issues I am missing?
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    I got nuttin re: shipping - I would check out Hemmings.com to see if they have some advertisers that do it.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Call COSDEL. They can advise you.

    All you have to do is help the trucker load the car onto the flatbed at your house and hand over the paper work. The shipping company handles everything. How you get paid is your business.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    My family had a Tempo as well when I was around 11 years old. We traded it for the 89 Caprcie SW boat whent he Tempo could barely make it up one of our local steep hills. It was the automatic 4 cylinder model, and it was painfully slow.

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    My family had a Tempo as well when I was around 11 years old. We traded it for the 89 Caprcie SW boat whent he Tempo could barely make it up one of our local steep hills. It was the automatic 4 cylinder model, and it was painfully slow.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    Ah now there's a car, looks like a base model 1985 Tempo L (IIRC the 84s had slightly different bumper trim), complete with hubcaps and thin body side trim - the higher line (GL/GLX) cars got thicker side trim and in most cases some kind of 80s style wheels. That car also probably lacked FI. I remember in high school a kid I knew had a completely stripped down 85 Tempo L sedan - it was carb'd and had a nasty vinyl interior. It was also red on red, which didn't help things.

    This is sad, I know the nuances of Tempos. I remember our car was made in the last days of 85 model year production, and it actually had a 1986 style steering wheel and the 3rd high mount brake light, but the front clip was 1985 (it changed in 86). Quality.

    I remember the highest indicated speed for the car was 80mph, so I really felt like I was living on the edge when I would drive with it pegged, which was probably too often.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    You guys are killing me with the Tempo talk.

    Don't make me change the subject to the '78 Mazda GLC Sport I learned to drive on. At least it had racing stripes all over it.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    That makes me think of the 1984 Tempo my stepdad had. His was a white 2-door, but it was a GL model, which I guess was a step up. I'm guessing the line went something like L, GL, LX? I remember my stepdad's had gray contrast on the lower body. I can't remember if it just had hubcaps or alloys.

    Funny, but looking at the pic above, I don't think the car looks near as vulgar as I remember. I can see a family resemblance to the T-bird, and even the Mark VII!
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    "I can see a family resemblance to the T-bird, and even the Mark VII! "

    Andre, put the eggnog down, and you might want to have someone else drive you home! :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    In this image it isn't too horrid either...

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    Definitely the same styling team from the Bird and Mark VII

    I think the line was L, GL, GLX in the early years, then went to L, GL, LX. Taurus was the same.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    Was it really a great little car? ;)

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    OK, maybe a little, but no Tempo ever made me think of this:

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    Especially because most T/Ts were 4drs:

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  • urnewsurnews Member Posts: 668
    Was it really a great little car?
    I owned a 1977 and yes it was a great little car, IMHO.

    -- Boz
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I was watching James Bond, License To Kill last night, and surprise surprise (Timothy Dalton) was driving the Lincoln mark VII in that film.

    I can see where you see the resemblance Andre between the mark and the Tempo. Probably the rear window and C pillar shape are very similar.

    Our white Tempo I think was base with automatic, and had no a/c, no power options either. I remember it had a centre console with warning lights for burnt out bulbs and what not.

    I always thought the Marks were the pinnacle of American luxury coupes when I was young, until I discovered Benzes and BMWs.

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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    When I met my wife in the summer of 1996, she was driving a 10 year old Tempo that she had bought new in her previous marriage.

    I don't remember the trim level, but it had alloy wheels, A/C and (I think) PW and PM. Was gold with a 5-speed stick (her choice!) and had about 95K on it when we met. It ran OK, but not long after we met (but before we got married) she got a new job that had a bit of a commute attached to it; she leased a '97 Escort LX (also a stick shift! What a gal!). The Tempo got sold to her sister for $300-400, as the dealer wouldn't take it in trade.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    Yeah, that's mainly the area, that rear quarter window and the C-pillar area, that makes me think of the Mark VII.

    There's a guy here at work who had two Mark VII's, a 1987 and a 1992. He bought each one when they were a couple years old, so he got a pretty good deal. Ran each one up to close to 200,000 miles. Alas, he then bought a 2000 Lincoln LS, which was a total piece of crap, and burned him so bad that now he buys Acura TL's, and only keeps them to about 50,000 miles, because he just doesn't trust a high-mileage car.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,737
    Manual Tempos are probably pretty rare, especially if they are sedans.

    I remember when our old heap was about 10 years old, the factory tape deck died,so I went to the junkyard for a $10 replacement...I found one in an 86 Tempo diesel sedan with a 5-speed. That car was actually in very good condition and I couldn't see why it was there...now there's an oddity.
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