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Not a dumb question. But I think this car was described elsewhere as having just over 1,000 miles since resto.
Re: Cheap tires. I looked at all the pics taken under the car and didn't notice the tires until reading your post. But after going back and looking, yes. Cheap tires.
The camera has pretty much laid the car out to see everything that many sellers don't always want to show.
Why was "Dealer A/C" added which was not available for a K code Mustang from the factory? Well, I doubt if it came from the factory with that kind of body fit and finish either but I'll take it!
If the seller's prose is being taken to task, very well.
Just going by what I can see, it appears to be a well-built, well-kept, #2 Mustang vert K code with an unrealistic price. Have seen others offered in the high $70K range and would love to have one!
I was browsing them this weekend. Kind of sort of thinking about an autoX car rather than the Z. Saw a couple of '04 base models with ~80k miles for $8k. But the seats don't look very nice in those. Did see one MCS for $9300.
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Little Pricey
The other El Camino
Alot of Green
Stealth
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All the parts for a turbo swap and 5-bolt wheel swap for my '85.
This is exactly the decision I was pondering this past weekend. Buy another car entirely for an autoX project or start going crazy on my Z. Decisions Decisions. Any opinions?
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bet it's a 3spd. Back around 68-72 Oldsmobile tried to change their ordering information for the dealers to allow for customization of build, ie no packages. I have seen and driven a 1968 Olds Cutlass Supreme that was heavily loaded, but the order guy forgot to check the "automatic" box for the transmission. It came in looking just like that '72, no console, no buckets, just a shifter sticking up out of the floor with a 3spd fully synchronized transmission. Real oddball, that one!
So I know where of I speak when I say that based on the amount of rust and where it is on that (non-a/c) Cutlass he is trying to sell, about all you are going to get for your 10K is a good engine, and maybe good tranny. Frame too, if it hasn't been wrecked. But the rust on that car is showing in the typical areas for a '72 Cutlass, and there is a lot more than what you see in the pictures. By the time it looks that bad from the outside, a lot of the inside is gone.
1. I won't find any Z in nicer shape than mine. At least not within reasonable distance or for reasonable money.
2. No strengthening needed. The NA to turbo conversion is very common. It is a strong engine. The difference being the turbo model had slightly lower compression thanks to 1985 gas. The result of turbo'ing the NA is a quicker car than the stock turbo model. No reliability issues reported (until you start overboosting, anyway). Stock boost really wasn't much in these. I think something like 10 psi, if I'm not mistaken. Takes a 165hp NA engine to about 200hp.
3. You'd be surprised what works for autoX. On a good, smooth run, you are spending the entire lap (other than initial takeoff) in the top half of 2nd gear. So big boost and a tall 2nd gear is the ideal setup. Only issue would be too much boost roasting the tires out of every turn.
4. On a parts-only basis, I'd be looking at $400 for the turbo goodies, a couple hundred bucks for the hubs, another bill or so for the front spindles, and another $150 or so for the wheels. So, in parts alone, the car is worth $800 to me. Of course, I'd like to get it for less. I think I'd offer $500 and limit myself to $750.
So, shifty, are you avoiding my question about your MCS?
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That's also interesting about turbos in Auto X---here again, I would have thought that ON/OFF quality of early turbo design would be a PITA for Auto X.
What was your question about my MCS?
Am I going to modify the supercharger? Hell, yes. What I have to do is more research on the effect of a 15% drop in pulley size---I *think* I need to take precautions on heat buildup by using cooler spark plugs and maybe maybe changing the thermostat. So I'm still researching that part.
I should gain about 25 HP or so, and if I did the air box, maybe 35 HP, giving me an even 200HP.
So for a 2650 lb car, that's going to be pretty good
on the Z turbo ... one thing to remember is that compression ratios were much lower back then. I believe the turbo was 7:1 and the NA was 7.5 or 8, IIRC.
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Yeah, it's an '03 with 63,000. It runs great, is the S model, leather, heated seats, sunroof, 6-speed manual trans, DSC, rain-sensing windshield, running lights, sport package, 17" alloys, British Racing Green w/ black top. About the only significant option it doesn't have is the Xenon lighting.
I just can't justify that for a track toy, though. As much as I'd like to.
I'd go with a base model, but then I want the sport pack. Not even sure if that was offered all years. The seats don't look very inviting in the base model.
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Lotta miles. Wonder how low he'd go on it.
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My '03 has 95K on it, so I find it hard to believe that, in a state where everything is so close, he's put 55K more miles on his car in one extra year.
Other than that, it sure looks clean.
At least he didn't make some kind of comment about how it's "only getting broken in" at that mileage. :P
BTW, how much does the 2.5 have in common with the older 2.4 that Nissan used in the Stanza and the older Altima? I think I've asked this question before, but can't remember the answer. Is the 2.5 an all-new engine or just a bigger bore/stroke 2.4?
FWIW, the 2.4 in my Mom & stepdad's '99 Altima has over 300,000 miles on it now. And other than the first transmission letting go at 35,000 miles, the car has been pretty reliable
I don't like the dents, I don't like the panels removed "to optimize performance" and I really don't like that " we recommend a tune up". As Mark Twain used to say "The only person who can rightfully use the term WE are the Queen of England and a man with a frog in his pocket".
Maybe it just needs some engine work, having been thrashed for 150K?
However, I also say that "a car has to speak for itself" so my comments are just speculation.
RE: MINI -- gee, prices must be cheaper out your way. The only Mini S I saw for under $10K were high miles and a bit tatty.
Definitely DO NOT buy a base MINI prior to 2006. It has a wheezy, rough (dare we say primitive?) Chrysler-developed engine and a crappier transmission, either auto or manual. :surprise:
Why even mention "tune up" unless you've already tried, and found something that's much harder to fix?
Bring your compression tester.
Look at some of the ads we post here. At least there wasn't Miller Lite cans and McDonald's bags on the floor!
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"previous owner installed leftover McDonald's rubbish and I haven't had time to remove it. Easy fix. I got a $15 estimate from a car wash".
And, on that car, I would beat the ever lovin hell out of it during a long test drive to see what, if anything, falls off.
So the wife's word: "Kinda pricey, but I guess if you sell the Z you can get it."
:surprise:
Nah. I don't think I can stand to give up the Z. The odds I'd ever find one as nice are very very slim ... and absolutely nil at the price I paid. I feel like I would be betraying the car somehow by giving it up.
So I asked at what price do I get to keep the Z. She said she supposes I could drop $2500 on another car if I really feel the need. Oh, and she won't let me dump the Benz. Apparently she has adopted it ... although it has been sitting dormant in the driveway and she walks by it every morning to get in her Mazda. :confuse:
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High miles but very cheap Golf.
What do y'all think?
The car that pretty much dominates ST is the late '80s Civic hatchback coupe. Although I'm thinking ... heck, if a 2400lb 115hp Golf could hold its own, why wouldn't a 2700lb 170hp sedan (the nissan) be better? Yet I don't see Nissans running ST very often, so there must be some flaw in my thinking.
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Not that I'm disagreeing, but doesn't that describe most "performance" sedans/coupes?
The focus SVT is just a focus with a zippy engine; the CTS-V; any AMG or M; and the MCS is just a base Mini with a zippy engine. :P
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Put some nice springs and struts on the Z and enjoy it for what it is.
Nothing of note. 2.4 = KA series. 2.5 = QR series.
That's all fine and good, but only if I never take it to the autoX again because I'd be in ESP against a 300+hp Legacy GT of note and any number of GT Mustangs that show up that day.
I would love a B13 Sentra. But I'd really want the SER. Seems to be nearly impossible to find a nice clean one that hasn't been pimped out by an 18-year-old who starts his craiglist ad with, "Whattup C-list!"
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Briefly, I would like a daily driver, with a good body. Six cyliner engine and auto tranny, with factory A/C. Power steering and power brakes would be nice, but not a deal breaker.
How much can I expect to pay for such a car?
And, how much would a decent repaint job cost?
I would really recommend that you buy a 6 cylinder car WITH good paint because a quality paint job is going to cost you about 50% of what the car costs in "fair" condition.
Anyway, keep in mind that a 6 cylinder automatic is a 30% deduct off any values you see for a V-8 car, right off the bat. So don't peg pricing to the V8s.
Actually finding a 6 cylinder car is going to be very very hard. Most have already had the engines swapped out.
I'm thinkin' $10K to $12K should be plenty for a decent 6 cylinder car. Not super clean, but very decent and ready to roll.
If not a joke, good luck finding ANY '69 Camaro six-cylinder (most have been converted to V-8 at this point, anyway) let alone one with factory A/C (this alone would be a SUPER-strange combination) and power steering and brakes. I'm sure a few exist on earth, but here's a breakdown:
According to my source, of the 230,799 1969 Camaros built for U.S. production:
65008 (roughly 28 percent) were six-cylinder;
37878 (less than 1/6 of total output, including V-8s) had factory A/C
about 120k each (over half) had automatic and power steering, so odds are in your favor there, at least.
So, (correct me if I'm wrong, stats experts), you're already at 1/2 of 1/6 of 28 percent (~2 percent), IF ALL sixes had factory a/c, which they certainly didn't; then figure 1/4 to 1/3 of all '69 Camaros had power brakes (power brake 'take' rates were typically considerably lower than that of power steering back then). Then, subtract from that already miniscule number, those that are destroyed or have been converted to V-8 power. You see what I'm getting at here.....chances of finding one equipped with all four 'wants' (at least from the factory), and in fair condition, are bordering on astronomical at this point. This is about as close as I found on eBay (and notice it's not a six, nor does it have factory A/C) but it is original and certainly in fair condition:
link title
.....also note its first bid.
I'd imagine a/c on a 6-cyl Camaro would be rare indeed. For all intents and purposes, a car like that, while it looks pretty, is just a bare-bones economy car, or at least what passed for it in those days. My 1969 Dart GT, which had a 225 slant six, had a/c, and I was told it was pretty rare in those days for something like that to have a/c.
I wonder how a 307/Powerglide would do as a daily driver, when it comes to acceleration and fuel economy? The 307 only had 200 hp gross, which comes out to around 130-140 when you convert to net, so it's not a screamer. But then the 6-cyl would probably be around 105-110. It might be fairly economical, while still not too embarrassing in the 0-60 tromp.
A friend of mine has a '67 El Camino that originally had a powerglide mated to a V8. If that car was at all similar, any performance from the engine is likely to be heavily muted by that transmission.
STS wouldn't be bad. But would I fit??
What about simple and practical?
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Another question for Chevy experts: why on earth did Chevrolet change the Camaro styling in 1970? The 1969 style was nice and crisp-it even looks modern today. I don't like the 1970 front end at all-that menacing-looking beak!
I did drive a '69 Camaro with a HUGE V-8-the engine had so much torque that it was stressing the frame-not a pleasant ride at all.
Guess I better plan on buying a used 2010 camaro!
I like the MR2, almost impossible not to have fun in.
Civic? What's the point. Kinda fun to drive...
Are you selling your BMW convertible? Do you not like it?