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Why so many al a carte 'toys'? As noted above that's what generates buyer enthusiasm in the largest segment of buyers. Look at Ford's humping of SYNCH. It sells. They turnover of the SYNCH models is significantly shorter than the ones not equipped with it.
There are a lot of safety-conscious buyers too but that equipment has all the excitement of a good biology text. I think that Toyota and others got quite a surprise when the Prius took off and a lot of the buzz was over 'Prius toys'. 'Flash' sells.
As to why even offer the option of thses geegaws? I'm postulating that it's because Toyota expects that during this Gen's lifetime that fuel is going to skyrocket and this segment will become the 'hot' one as more and more people try to downsize to save fuel costs. THEN at that point our econoboxes might begin to approach the Euro versions.
Toyota charges too much for delivering too little, but as you pointed out, that won't stop what is a mediocre car from becoming a sales success, for a while at least. That there is no comparison is Toyota's fault and, for what is a new car, I haven't read a single article that implies the Corolla is remotely the sort of innovative and original design that the 8th generation Civic was (and is) in its class. Rather, it is an also-ran and one that could be interpreted as another instance of Toyota becoming complacent, thinking that anything they make, even if the quality is slipping (recalls) or the features and design are second to their competition, they can sell all they make, no questions asked.
Since when has the Corolla been about excitement? A little less excitement, and a little more basic small car goodness would be real welcome, to me. Like the Corolla of the mid-'90s--the one that was a class leader in refinement and quality.
That there is no comparison in handling is intentional. You continue to miss this point as well. Everything has its rightful place in the universe. The Si and the 3 and the other boy-racer models have their place and the XRS has it's place. Everything is in balance in the universe and everybody is happy. You will not be an XRS owner and all the XRS's will be sold.
Your opinion about the success or lack thereof regarding the Corolla is noted and will be given the appropriate consideration. In the meanwhile each vehicle has it's place and the small number of XRS's will be sold and make money as they should. That's all that can be said. In the end it's only about money. If you feel it's overpriced but someone coming down from an Explorer doesn't think so, actually thinks it's a bargain, guess what his money means more than your opinion.
The basic 97-98 VE 1.5L, 3 speed auto was one horrible little vehicle; no AC, no CC, manual everything, AM/FM only, low to the ground and no safety features at all - none. The current basic Yaris is better.
What little excitement this mundane segment can generate will created by the boy-racer models and the new 'toys' for people rediscovering the segment. Maybe at some time this segment will approach the overall quality and depth of its European cousin.
The 1998-2002 Corolla was a nice car, smooth and quiet for its time and without the driving position problem of its successor. But it had a really tight back seat, which struck it off my list when I bought a small car in 2000. The 2009 is improved there, still not near the best in class but better. And as we know, large discounts are already available.
1993-1997 was best in class and while Corolla has never been bad since, it has not impressed vs. the competition as the 1995 did since that 1993-1997 generation.
I would love to see a wagon offered in the 2009 version. I'm not too fond of the Matrix styling and the plastic hatch floor area of the Matrix.
Check this review.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhcQKtnfrkw
It is an asinine design. It wouldn't have been quite as bad if you could cycle through the displays with steering wheel controls, but you can't even do that. I had to stick my hand through the steering wheel to reach the little push stalk to switch the outputs.
Very awkward and unsafe to change the display while driving. Even peering through the steering wheel to check the time on the little, tiny LCD is awkward even if you always leave it set on the clock and give up viewing outside temp and other functions.
Why the clock wasn't put into the radio if they they didn't want to have a dedicated clock display (like the Camry) is anybody's guess.
1994 Camry LE 2009 Corolla LE
Wheel Base 103.1 inches 102.4 inches
Overall Length 187.8 inches 178.7 inches
Width 69.7 inches 69.3 inches
Height 55.1 inches 57.7 inches
Curb Weight 3086 lbs. 2745 lbs.
Keep you posted.
Thanks.
I do praise No. 9 for having a higher seating position, though. Easier on the back and feels less like a coupe, in my opinion.
This place has a pretty good line up of 2009 accessories, including carpet and rubber mats.
http://www.toyotatrdparts.com/?gclid=CMvqlLnl4ZICFRaQggod5EDb-A
Also look on ebay. Just do a search for 2009 Toyota Corolla and it will take you to ebay motors. I've seen all kinds of mats there. If you don't see them the first time, keep checking. There are new deals everyday.
Here's another place that has mats and other accessories:
http://www.toyotaofgrapevine-parts.com/MC-DCIC-CD.aspx
If you want a spoiler the best place to go is:
http://www.spoilersource.com
They match the factory color and it's free shipping and no tax. I am very happy with mine and they were a good deal.
Whatever you buy check several sites, and compare price and shipping charges.
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900 bucks is a lot of money. You shouldn't spend more than 3-6 hundred for such a system.
The Corolla has a factory/dealer installed optional remote engine starter for 529.00 MSRP. I would talk to the service manager and ask them to install the factory one and refund you the difference. If that doesn't work then talk to the customer relations manager at the dealership. If they don't have one then call 1-800-GO-TOYOTA and have them open up a case number. Tell them what happened and what you want done. They will contact the dealership and someone will call you to make things right. If you haven't received the survey yet than hold it over their heads and tell them if you don't get any satisfaction TMS USA will hear about it. Surveys have gotten to be at the top of the list for dealerships as they affect everyone in the pocket book. Let us know how it goes. One more thing, which trim level Corolla did you get? S, LE, XLE, ?
Mack
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Mack
My dealer offer me alarm 560$
I am not sure it is good or not.
Anything I should be careful about that since I am first time new car buyer
Mack
Driver: 4 stars
Passenger: 4 stars
Side Impact
Front: 5 stars
Rear: 4 stars
Awaiting IIHS results.............
IIHS says that the dummy's head hit hard on the steering wheel.
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=928
Camry is like a tank and it scores exceptionally well on both NHTSA and IIHS (achieved impressive rating "good" on side impact structural). Maybe my expectation is too high on mini-camry!
Mack
Look under Corolla and you will find a bunch of accessories, including the alarm under
It is not an alarm system. I have the same system in my Matrix.
You can get a break-in sensor from Toyota which includes its own siren that will go off if glass is broken or a door is opened while the system is armed. That will cost you around $300 from the dealer, installed. You could also go aftermarket and probably save half the cost, but might end up with other complications.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
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Why is a large car with 5 stars safer than a small car with 5 stars?
Side crash rating results can be compared across all classes because all vehicles are hit with the same force by the same moving barrier.
Rollover ratings can also be compared across all classes.
Frontal crash rating results can only be compared to other vehicles in the same class and whose weight is plus or minus 250 lbs of the vehicle being rated. This is so because a frontal crash rating into a fixed barrier represents a crash between two vehicles of the same weight. Examples:
It would not be permissible to compare the frontal crash results of a 4,500 lb SUV with those of a 3,000 sedan (different classes and exceeds the weight requirement).
It would not be permissible to compare the frontal crash results of a 3,600 lb pickup with those of a 3,400 lb van (meets the weight requirement, but different classes).
It would be correct to compare the frontal crash results of a 3,400 lb passenger car with a 3650 lb passenger car (same class and meets the weight requirement).
This is why the NHTSA and IIHS caution that frontal crash test results should only be compared for cars of similar weight.
Mack
They also list it as being AWD, which I believe is not available, so maybe they were having an off day altogether with pricing and specs....
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Toyota seems to be moving away from spin-on oil filters in favor of the cartidge arrangement with the replacement element that the '09 Corolla 1.8 uses (the current Tundra has this too).
In this way excess inventory rarely ever exists....excess inventory is a Mortal Sin at Toyota.
In the long term these 4 months will mean nothing.