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Dean
Ryan
Are these symptoms of denial?
Police cars are all 4.6l Fords. I guess they should start looking at Toyota cars now that they have a V8 car engine. After all, all them years of using Ford V8's has proven how unreliable junk Fords are.
f150rules: Yes I'm starting to see the light, it's very bright, getting brighter...wait, oh god! it's another f-150 on fire. Just another victim of ford's tire quality control.
Ryan
As of now i am on summer break ANY COLLEGE student former or present would know this. I did have summer school but that was late at night and i rarely post at night just during the day. I do not have much to do at work and i need to space it out at work. So on break and lunch i go here. Once school starts you will hear alot less of me trust me 2 wks more. Lucky you
Ryan
I'll be going to Instructor Engineer school in 3 weeks, so I won't be able to enjoy or miss your absence. My course is boiled down to 4 months, it's sink or swim baby! BTW, I enjoy debating this with you. It's fence sitters who I actually despise.
I just love that Tundra and feel that Toyota has got this one right. Talked to a recent purchaser of a F150 and oh how he wishes he would have waited. He is indeed heartbroken. He knows Quality is Job 1 and that slogan belongs to the Tundra.
In response to Toyota vs. Ford (or any other domestic) I will not comment on this topic because my personal experience of owning several domestics and several toyotas would be too much of an embarrassment to Detroit. My stories would be so laughable that I have just too much pity on their poor souls. I am coming back to toyota and I cannot wait. To you folks at Ford, I gave you one last chance. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and even gave you the chance to redeem yourselves by allowing you to correct an obvious major flaw in my vehicle and you would not stand behind your product. A manufacturer who is unwilling to back your product does not have the privilege to reap the rewards of my purchase money. To the folks at Toyota I am coming back!!!!
To the individual in post #173: A vibration problem is pale compared to the replacements of the Ford V6 4.0L SOHC engines due to the cam tensioner and cassette problems, or to my (and others) total transmission failure at 25,000 miles (no towing, 50% interstate miles). Check out the number of TSBs (technical service bulletins) for toyota tundras vs. f150. Geez! What does it take for someone like you?
Read the comparison test in the May '00 issue of Motor Trend. Tundra #1 again.
The Big3 owners are very insecure about spending way too much money on their inferior trucks. That is why they hang out in the Tunda forums. I feel sorry for them.
completely outclasses the Big3???
How so???
Hmmm motor TREND truck TREND
"TRENDS dont last they come and go."
Ryan
bought a new 2000 chevy silverado 5.3 z71and it
has been thru 5 qts of oil in 6600 miles. the
dealer has not been any help as to a solution. I
am
really p.o. about it. Has anyone else had this
kind of oil consumption problem. The dealer has me
doing an oil useage chart and say's it may be in
the pcv or oil seals. The motor rattles bad
also.They are talking about a possible engine swap
but I am not going to be happy with a new truck
having the motor changed. Any suggestions no ford
remarks please
I've found that no matter what I drive (yes, including the Sonoma 2500 we have here) there is always a tiny bit of irregular vibration on seeminly smooth highways. I bring this up because some people are confusing this with a rythmic wheel shake and or body shake. What do you think?
I wanna see this SONOMA 2500. I didnt know they made a subcompact 3/4 ton. Does it come with the 4 cylinder too?
Ok sorry but would that possibly be Sierra 2500?
I agree on the little vibration yes like when going over bumps and such but it seems as if many of the silverado and tundra people are having bad vibration problems that are beyond just a slight shake in the steering wheel.
I think you have are taking me wrong though. I am in no way knocking your truck. if i was doing that i would be saying things like its not a truck its to small yadad yada yada the list goes on. Just showing you some real world experiences of people having trouble with tundras because you think that all the tundras are problem free and they arent.
Ryan
Price: They falsely claim the Tundra cost more
Vibration: They claim the dealer lots are full of vibrating Tundra's. This started out as a Silverado problem and was foisted upon the Tundra by bitter GM owners. There are now 12 Tundra's at Travis, AFB. None vibrate. I know 20 owners who have no vibration problems. If there was a problem, at least some of these trucks would have it.
The proof is in the pudding, so be sure and drive all the curent truck models before purchase. It will, if anything, make you appreciate the Tundra.
Ok my point
"They claim the dealer lots are full of
vibrating Tundra's. This started out as a Silverado
problem and was foisted upon the Tundra by bitter
GM owners. There are now 12 Tundra's at Travis,
AFB. None vibrate. I know 20 owners who have no
vibration problems."
Never claimed the lots were full of them i just brought to the table a few owners tales of vibrations. I know 20+ silverados owners whos trucks are perfect.
So my point as i finally have made is that you can say ALL silverados or ALL tundras have something wrong with them but that is untrue only a very small percentage do. I have no reason to be bitter my truck is Great i love it. Now that us silverado owners have made some claims of vibrations and other problems and defended it as not all of them are bad when we presented the tundra owners the same way we were presented they have the same answer. Why??? Because its true.
many of you might not see my point or get what RWELL just said and how it relates to his thinking of silverados but i just did woohoo thank god.
Ryan
gmc jimmy
yukon (3500)
sierra (2500)
I don't know why I was thinking Sonama. Maybe because my newphew put a rebuilt in his before I left the states. It still doesn't run right because the computer is screwed up. $1500.00 for a new computer. That won't happen!
Allow me to point out that I have always advocated shopping for the dealership and salesman just as hard as you shop the price of a vehicle. If you can't find a salesman or dealer to deal straight with you, don't buy another product, buy the product from somebody else.
Ryan
Oh, and don't ever plan on rebuilding that engine.
They are like all [non-permissible content removed] and Tiawanese parts....use
once, then throw away."
F150Rules:
For as long as I can remember, people looked for
anything made in Taiwan, Korea, China, Japan, etc.
Stayed far far away from it because the products
were made cheap and with slave labor. They still
have an element of that name of use once then throw away.
over the boards is like something a burned out 9
yr. old would do. it took a chevy guy to point
this out to you anyway, so obviously your news is
old news.
tundra guy, dogster and cliffy, i have no problem
with you guys and i do not mean to harass toyota
owners, it's just that Bama and Rwell like to
shoot their noggins everywhere else but never
reply ro any questions. insult after insult is
all we're seeing and quite FRANKLY it's pretty
embarassing for you guys to be considered in the
same class as these 2 nitwits. so for now i'll
promiss to quit posting here, but please put
ralph and malph back in the back yard where they
won't get hurt.
"I sat in a 2000 Tahoe yesterday at the dealer
while I was waiting for work on wife's Caprice.
For some reason the headroom is not near what it is
in the Silverado. I wouldn't beable to wear my
cowboy hat while driving one. Must be the lack of
headroom gives Tahoe owner's claustriphobia and a
headache. That's why they act that way.
matt"
In other words:
They're worried about their cowboy hats fitting! This is one of their major criteria for selecting a truck (quality and dependability rate low on their list)
" Silverado 2500 (marc34) Wed 09 Aug '00 (08:38 PM)
I can't even begin to tell everyone how excited we
were for the new 99 Silverado's to come out. And
now, I can't begin to tell everyone how
disappointed and just plain pissed off I am to this
day. I've looked around these talks and I can
honestly say that our truck has probably had
everything mentioned in here go wrong and then
some. Stereo's, speakers, rear windows, sliding
windows, both front windows, tracking on the driver
seat, replaced overhead, bad stitching, fog lamps,
doors, chirping noises...the list goes on and on.
So now, 1 year later...always being a Chevy man, I
just ordered the Ford F250 Lariat SD Crew cab
Diesel. Believe me, it can't possibly get any
worse."
Originally posted by Mark440:
I am noticing that some are feeling a little beat down, ready to unload their Tundra, or just let it all go.
And those are exactly the things Toyota counts on.
Get back on the phone. Jump. Scream. [non-permissible content removed]. Holler. File complaints again and again and again until they are damned tired of hearing your voice. And then, file some more.
Every person you see on the street who compliments your truck or co-workers who may be looking to buy....let them know about the problems you have and MAKE SURE you tell them how Toyota has basically told you to piss off. There are quite a few WITHOUT the problem who are aware of it. And that is only the start.
Me? I will not quit until this truck rides like glass, stops on a dime, and performs like it is supposed to. Anything less is a design problem.
I have been writing to Senators and Congressman suggesting they introduce legislation that would require ALL car and truck manufacturers to present buyers with a complete listing of existing TSB's BEFORE they sign any paperwork. Even going as far that the TSB's must be posted on the window with the sales sticker. AND, that all existing TSB's have been implemented on the vehicle they are buying. If I had known, well, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.
I, too, went looked at other trucks. (Naturally, when you tell them about your horror story with the Tundra, they all look shocked and amazed.) But, I am toyota to the bone, and I will get one that drives and handles like it is supposed to. It may take awhile, and at 45 years old, I figure I got about 30-40 years to keep haranging their butts till they get it right. Consistent. Persistent
Actually, you could substitute any manufacturer in his post in place of Toyota or any vehicle for Tundra. It appears that buying Toyota means nothing. What's more important than what brand you buy is what dealer you buy it from. My $.33 worth for today. Y'all have a good Sunday now.
Dean
There just isn't enough Tundra owners for one thing. For another, Tundra owners don't know mechanics or much about their trucks to share. The only thing they can do is stroke each others ego about how great their midsize truck is.
Hows that Tacoma sized open differential doing ya? Oh, you don't ever use your truck for what a truck is for? Guess that is why you love it so much.
How much do you Toyota Salesman get paid to dish that crap out to the public?
Also, what hard starts? Certainly, you all realize that Toyota delays ignition for several revolutions to allow oil to get where it should be when starting the truck. On cold days, it might crank for a couple of seconds before firing. Is anybody else experiencing something worse than this?
I have sold dozens of these trucks. I have yet to have one come back with any of these problems. If any Tundra owner can enlighten me on these issues, I would appreciate it. Ford owners need not reply.
My final decision was between the Tundra and the F150. I managed to snag my 4WD/TRD/SR5/Access Cab Tundra for 27,200 (exactly 2K off the sticker price). As I said, the comparable F150 also had a sticker price of about 29,200 but it also had a dealer markup of 2,000 which put it close to 32,000. Since I decided to go for the Tundra, I didn't even try to negotiate with the Ford dealer. Nevertheless, I doubt that I could have negotiated 4k off the stcker price of the F150. I'm good, but I'm not *that* good