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I do have issues with it, be it petty issues, issues nonetheless. The suicide door style of the rear door can make entry for the rear passengers difficult in tight spots. A little bit of choreographing is needed to board the truck.
Open the front door, the front passenger hops in right away, making space for the passenger to slide into the spot the front passenger left and then open the rear door (phew!)
Loading groceries is another issue. Grocery carts don't fit between the doors when opened, if you somehow manage to get the cart between them. Yeah I got the whole truck bed to put the groceries in but the Arizona sun will sure cook my stuff on my trip back home. That's my truck hard at work, going to my work place and the store.
The delay in the start. I haven't noticed. But thanks, now that I know it, I'm gonna sit there later in the truck and time it! ha!
I have also owned 3 Toyotas (no V8 engines, 2 trucks and 1 car) they did not have any delay.
Is this BS in the owners manual?
Or is it just some sales crap to cover up a poor starting truck.
If it looks like sh-t, smells like sh-t you don't need to taste it before you know its sh-t. A delay in start up to allow oil to coat the engine is pure fantasy.
I think I understand why Silverados post on Tundra topics. The horrible problems they're dealing with probably drive them crazy. Like this one.....
165 of 176: Coil spring rubbing (larry18) Sat 12 Aug '00 (02:20 PM)
My 2K 2wd 3dr SB LT has had a squeak in the front
end when going over bumps at slow speed since 500
miles. I took it in and the dealer checked it out
and replaced the spring cushions on both sides.
After a few days the noise returned. I have had it
in four times and now am told the GM rep says to
send it to a dealer with a porta-power to expand
something so the spring will have more clearance
from the frame. Apparently the top portion of the
spring is rubbing on the frame. After reading all
the posts about vibrations I am not sure I want
this done to a vehicle with 7K miles on it. The
front end service tech's own words were that it
"sounds like a '76 model with 300,000 miles." At
times the noise can be heard over a block away.
Certainly good advertising for Chevy. My concern
is that rubbing is severe enough to cause premature
failure of the effected parts
Tell me what is worse - Non-Tundra owner posting a question about the Tundra in a Tundra topic OR a Tundra owner cutting and pasting problems about a GM truck in a Tundra topic.
As for the hard starting, what I've been reading is that it is just the way Toyotas are. They all have been known to take a little longer to start, especially when it's cold out. I've been hearing that they won't start until the oil pressure is built up high enough.
As for the doors opening on the go, that's bs. I think you're referring to the rear doors becoming unlatched. They still can't open. Bring them in and have them adjusted, then they're good as new.
Once again, just for Bill:
The rear doors cannot come open without unlocking and opening the front doors. End of story!
The 1/2 second delay in start is designed into the fuel/ignition system. This ensures a swath of oil on the cylinder walls prior to combustion. The aim is engine longevity (something chevy and ford or unconcerned with)!
Tundra of the Rings!
If the Tundra has any ingenuitive gadgets like some kind of start delay for "better lubrication" , they would have stole it from Ford like they tried many other things.
You people must really be non-mechanical nightmares. Nobody who knows mechanics will buy some convoluted crap about a delay start to "help lubricate" the engine before starting. The majority of engine wear comes from "before" the engine starts. There isn't a starter made that can pull enough oil volume from the oil pump to the top end and apply any kind of benefit from it.
But hey, if it helps you feel better about the Tundra's higher cost, then keep dreaming.
Lets recap shall we? The vibration problem was real in the early production but a fix has been found and the problem is no longer an issue. The Tundra has a built in delay for some reason which no body claims is a mechanical problem. The third door can't be opened without first opening the front door and no body here has ever had first hand experience with anything approaching this.
Again, thanks all including F150 and Z71 for not coming up with any theories on why Toyota would build in a delay in ignition.
Not being a mechanic, I have no theories as to why Toyota would do this. Logic would suggest that there is some benefit that Toyota sees in this and to me, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think that starting the flow of oil could be a benefit.
Rwell
I have not posted anything about the rear door problem in the Tundra.
Still waiting on information about start up delay - is it in the owners manual?? As far as the "build oil pressure" theory - that is hard to understand - the Tundra does not have any oil pressure at idle - how in the world would it build any running the starter.
If this is really a benefit / design feature why wouldn't Toyota tell customers about it? (put it in the owners manual.
How is it that you know this information? Do you have official Toyota engineering specifications that explain this great slow start feature? If you tell me that this is the official position of Toyota engineering I will take your word for it.
I need to explain why I want a truck that starts up as soon as I turn the key? Why don't you ask the next 50 customers that come in to look at a car or truck if they want the engine to start up right away - or would they rather have a delay set to prevent the engine from starting. What do you think they will say?
The three Toyotas I owned did not have a delay. The last time I drove a Toy LC with the 4.7 L V8 it did not have a delay. The delay start up to coat the engine with oil / build oil pressure is just an attempt to cover up a design flaw in the Tundra.
242 of 243: I have noticed (bamatundra) Tue 15 Aug ' 00 (08:43 PM)
that whenever the big3 owners don't have an adequate response to any issue, they post about the Tundra's size. I drove a Silverado, a F150 and a Dodge, and I still chose the Tundra. Although a bigger truck would have been nicer
Bamma- How did your scribbled post end up on my post?
Nice to see you admit a bigger truck is "nicer"
Who has always posted "shakerado"??? BAMA
Who a few posts back also refered to them as shakerado? RWELL
Two in the same??? I dont know
Ryan
worth the compromises to me. YMMV.
So quit this damn nonsense accusing someone of being someone else it gets flippin old
Ryan
I passed judgement about you and Bama saying the same stuff it was supposed to be an analogy towards F150 and whoever you compared him to. WHat i said was SARCASM i know you two arent the same (kinda are but maybe thats a toyota owner thing) and F150 and this other guy arent the same
Ryan
mouth before you read and comprehend."
Actually, I'm typing off at the keyboard!
Now, as to your statement the a 4.7 Cruiser started on the first crank, I will say your memory is flawed. Every Toyota on my lot will turn over 5 to 7 times before it sparks. The only exception is our new hybrid electric car. To me, it makes sense that the oil pump is starting its job before the heat of ignition begins. Whether this is the reason for the "delay", I don't know but it would make sense.
As to your asking me to check the owners manual, that is absurd. The job of the owners manual is not to tell you features and benefits. For instance, it does not tell you things like braking distances, 0 to 60 times, how a transmission cooler functions (nor does it even mention the existence of a transmission cooler) nor does it tell you the ground clearance and the benefits of skid plates. An owners manual simply tells you how to operate the vehicle and certain specifications.
I wont even bother to ask you again to tell me what is wrong with a 1/2 to 1 second delay in starting. I know you have no answer. Your criticism is gratuitous and therefore needs to be ignored.
You must have been writing it as I was doing the spell check?
Cliffy - Is there a section in your owners manual that tells you how to start your engine?? I would guess yes (although I would bet it never gets read - most people know how to turn a key). I agree the manual will not give performance specifications - but something like this slow start feature - if it was indeed designed into the truck - would be in the fine print.
My alternative theory is - the slow start up problem in the Tundra is a design flaw.
It has been almost 1 year since I drove the LC, but I think if I would have had to crank the engine 5-7 times in a 50K truck before it started I would remember it.
I have said enough about the start up delay problem. It must not be much of an issue to owners - kind of like the 99 Silverado door lock feature - it automaticly locks the doors - but does not unlock them when you stop. It was a pain at first - but after a few weeks you get use to it and after a few months don't even notice it.
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Its worth a few extra dollars
Ryan
Ryan
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good luck
...red