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OK I may have misspoke on that one, yes they can look and find out but will they (or better yet will they even notice)? As you said they get paid the same way regardless.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Too many people are just too trusting these days - I'd rather disable the feature all-together than use that option! :surprise:
Incidentally, the dealer wanted $500. but at first I did not want it at all. While he was typing the papers for to complete the deal for my car he came down to 475 then 450-I still said no. When he was done typing I said I would give him 425. for the remote starter and he looked at me and said "ok" but he wished I would have said this before he completed the paperwork as he had to start over again. He did smile as this was all in good fun. Honestly, I don't know if I need one but for the 425. I think it is a good deal I did use it today when I started my car from the clubhouse after a round of golf with the temp. in the 90's in the boston area. My golfing buddies could not believe this was a Hyundai. I can't believe how good this car rides.
Good luck.
I think I recall that you've mentioned, on at least one previous post, that the seat track was the reason, or part of the reason, for the Azera not getting a better crash result. Exactly where did you find this information :confuse: ? So far, all I've seen was some speculation in this forum.
I'm really not trying to start up the whole crash test results discussion again, I just want to know your source for this information. Thanks
1> The Sonata and Azera use different displacement versions of the lambda series V6 motors. These motors have cylinder heads with CVVT technology to vary intake valve duration. Hyundai has dropped the hydraulic lash adjustment used previously on its V6 motors in favor of non-adjustable "inverted bucket" mechanical lash adjusters ("MLA"s according to the shop manual) for their new V6 replacements. When it's eventually necessary to correct excessive valve lash, doing so will require removing the front engine cover, removing the timing chain, accessing the cylinder head internals after removing the cam covers, removing the camshafts and replacing entirely the MLAs which prove to be out of spec. (For whatever reason, Hyundai opted not to use simple, inexpensive, replaceable shims as is customary with inverted bucket lifter designs.) Replacement solid MLAs are available in 39 different lengths.
2> The Optima's 2.7L mu V6 motor is a very slightly modified delta V6 engine block (the spin-on oil filter's adapter is oriented for vertical filter mounting) with revised cylinder heads which duplicate the CVVT function of the new lambda V6 motors described above. (The mu's heads appear very similar to those of the lambda in the diagrams, but I doubt they're actually interchangeable.) Like the delta motor from which it's derived, the mu V6 uses a timing belt rather than a chain. Like the lambda cylinder heads, the mu cylinder heads use MLAs, too.
Both of these new Hyundai V6 motors (lambda and mu) promise to seperate their owners from a good chunk of cash when it's time to check and "adjust" valve lash eventually, though I found no reference in the shop manuals for the suggested mileage interval. Perhaps an Azera owner would check his owner's manual's "Maintenance Requirements" section for information about this?
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(*yes - I have no life...)
A bit off-topic but to my surprise and to many others, the setup of the Optima is actually more similar to the Elantra than to the Sonata. The current Optima actually shares very little with the current Sonata, believe it or not...
I have 245 miles on it an it appears to be a very well built, sound car. I can't believe everything that is in it for the price. My sticker price was 29,120 and I traded in my Lincoln Contiental with 51, 500 miles and arrived at a purchase price of 20,800.
As a guy who tries to get 100,000+ miles out of his cars (and sometimes succeeds), this is really the first thing I've seen that gives me serious pause about buying an Azera.
The cold fact is, Hyundai can't claim to have caught up to Honda and Toyota until their upper models have the reliability and serviceability of hydraulic lifters. To have had them, and ditched them for this arrangement, is a serious step backward.
In the immortal words of Desi Arnaz: "ROO-see, you've got some ex-PRAIN-ing to do!" :mad:
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I don't think any of my sisters Toyotas can make that claim.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Listed below are the current K&N products for a 2006 HYUNDAI AZERA 3.8L. Please review the full application description including comments to ensure that the product will fit your vehicle.
Year Model Engine Comment Product Type Part Number Description
2006 AZERA 3.8L V6 F/I All Air Filter 33-2346 NEW! Replacement Air Filter
Cost is around $42-43, but it's good for a lifetime.
To me, expensive long term maintenance costs are as big a deterrent as a lack of reliability would be. As a consumer, I have to look at the whole cost/benefit picture. The cost of replacing the timing belt in the previous gen Sonata 2.7 V6 every 60k miles along with the relatively bad gas mileage really soured me on that car. I don't see how much has changed with the Azera in that respect.
If the valves are going to go out of adjustment on the new Azera around 60k and cost as much or more to fix as changing the timing belt, I think potential owners, like me, should be aware of that cost.
You're right to say the real issue is the cost of the scheduled maintenance, not "unreliability."
Of course, if the cost of scheduled maintenance is higher than that of some failures, many people won't stay on top of it. Then you'll have unreliability. As the Fram guy said, you'll pay them now or you'll pay them later.
As for hydraulic lifters, the point there is that the solid lifters will eventually go out of adjustment even if you change your oil.
Those quibble aside, we agree on the basic point: Hyundai's choice will cost their long-term owners a lot of money.
My car is sage green.
Good point. Forgot about God's own warranty!
In re: gas mileage, it is my experience that Hyundai most definitely does not possess whatever technological refinements Honda and Toyota are using in their engines to achieve superior EPA and real-world MPG figures.
Owners, does the maintenance schedule in your owner's manual list the lifters or valve clearances as a scheduled service item at the 60,000 mile (or any other scheduled :confuse: ) mark?
Although "inspection" of valve clearance may be covered under waranty, I'm sure "adjustment" is not. And I'm not sure what "inspection" really means. I think "evaluation" and "measurement" may be better terms. I'm sure inspection does not include taking apart the engine.
The 2.4, 3.3, and 3.8 have logged millions of miles of testing....including constant running, high and low ambient temps,regular hiway and stop and go conditions...
So I am thinking to buy an off color & just have it painted. What website did you find the white/chrome option?
So what dealer do you have that does a 60k maintenance inspection for free? I will go to him.
This doesn't sound right.
Don't quote me but believe this is from AP.
Toyota has more recalls worldwide than Hyundai.
Recall woes grip Toyota
As company quickly expands, it suffers through third vehicle callback this month.
In its third vehicle recall this month, Toyota Motor Corp. is calling back almost 420,000 cars worldwide, including 34,700 in the United States, to replace a faulty engine part.
Most of the recalled U.S. cars are Echo compacts, but they also include Prius hybrids.
Toyota said it had no reports of accidents or injuries, but the recall caps a bruising month for the automaker renowned for its vehicle quality.
Last week it recalled 367,500 sport utility vehicles, including premium Lexus RX models, because a piece in the front console area could come loose and lodge near the gas pedal.
Earlier in July, Toyota recalled 24,200 vans in Japan.
While recalls are not the only or best gauge of vehicle quality, Toyota has experienced a sharp rise that industry analysts no longer dismiss as an anomaly.
"Toyota is growing so fast that they're starting to make mistakes that they avoided in the past," said George Peterson, president of Tustin, Calif., consultant AutoPacific.
Last year, Toyota's recalls in the United States more than doubled as the number of recalls industry-wide declined slightly.
The company says it is working to maintain vehicle quality, even as it increases production to meet worldwide demand for its vehicles.
"Recalls are an example of opportunities we have sometimes where we can make repairs to cars before customers have failures," Jim Press, president of Toyota Motor North America Inc., said Tuesday in Washington. "Our quality is very high and always at the very top."
Toyota is generally prompt to take action once it learns of a problem and doesn't wait for complaints to pile up, Peterson said.
But the automaker's reputation may be tested by a criminal investigation in Japan of three quality-control managers who may have failed to act on steering-problem reports.
That problem was cited as the possible cause of a collision in Japan that injured five people and led to a global recall of more than 1 million Toyota vehicles.
In its announcement Tuesday, Toyota said it would replace the crankshaft position sensor on certain 2001 and early 2002 cars.
Engine oil could leak into the connector because of a problem with the molding of the resin body of the crankshaft position sensor. There might also be a problem with the shape of the locking tab securing the sensor's wire harness connector.
In the United States, Toyota is recalling 26,200 Echo compacts and 8,500 Prius hybrids from model year 2001 and early 2002.
Now I ask you, DON'T YA JUST LOVE YOUR HYUNDAI!
Since people love to go around saying Toyotas are bullet proof I think that all these recalls are a big issue.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D