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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Alfa Romeo GT Zagato (GTZ). One of the last true front-engined sports racers. 1962-63?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    It's a '65 Stephen. GTZ=Giulietta Tubolare Zagato.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,419
    It reminds me of my Soap Box Derby car, c.a. 1970.. :surprise:

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    with lots of oddball French cars>

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  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    A Packard in France?

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    Jose
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Hmmm...from left to right...a funny-faced Panhard Dyna, a Dauphine, a rippled hood 2CV, a Peugeot 403, and parked I see the rear of a DS.
  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    That was a Panhard, my mistake.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    I think there's an R4 chasing the 2CV.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    You got 'em Fin. Apparently Panhard Dynas were numbered by MY. the one in the pic is a Dyna 55, manufactured in 1955. Pretty logical, eh,

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Were the cars badged that way as well?

    I think I can imagine a R4 behind the 2CV, too.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Were the cars badged that way as well?

    I don't really know, I've never seen one up close, or at all except pics.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Neither have I, not that I recall anyway.

    I remember when I was a kid I would buy quantities of old National Geographics at yard sales and cut the car ads out of them...I remember seeing small Panhard ads from the late 50s, and that funny front end stuck in my head.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    At first I thought it was an Austin A90 Atlantic, the source of some of the mechanicals that went into the Healey 100. But it's a smaller Austin, perhaps an A40 Somerset?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Right Stephen, it's an Austin Somerset (A40-1952-54)

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Based on a Lincoln Cosmopolitan ca. 1950 - I had a 'Micro Machines' version of this in the late 80s.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Yep, it is said that Eisenhower himself concieved the bubbletop while riding in a parade during wet weather.

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Looks French, probably because the front reminds me of the Citroen DS.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    The uber-gallic looking Panhard 24, the last Panhard car IIRC
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Quite correct, fintail, it's a 1964 Panhard 24CT. There was also a longer-wheelbase version, the 24BT, with a slightly more sedan-like profile. Both were allegedly capable of 100 mph despite a displacement of only 850cc.
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  • karsickkarsick Member Posts: 312
    Mid-50's Volvo Sport.

    Hard to look beyond that concave mouth... maybe designed to make the PV444 look great in comparison? :confuse:
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    I think the 50's Volvo roadster was known as the P1900.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    I never heard of the P1900 Sport - now I know why:

    "The Volvo P1900 was a fibreglass-bodied roadster built in small numbers in 1956 and 1957 by Volvo of Sweden.

    Volvo's president and founder Assar Gabrielsson got the idea for the car when he saw a Chevrolet Corvette in America and wanted to make something similar. He asked Glasspar in California to tool a fibreglass / reinforced polyester body, which was later produced in Sweden. The car was built on a tubular steel chassis and used Volvo's B14A and B16B engines fitted with twin SU carburettors, driving through a three-speed manual gearbox. Many parts were taken from the Volvo PV444.

    Demand was low, and the build quality was not high. Gunnar Engellau, who replaced Gabrielsson as president in 1956, took one for a drive on a holiday weekend and was dissatisfied enough that on returning to his office the following week cancelled the remaining production. "I thought it would fall apart!" is the legendary quote.

    The total P1900 production was 68 cars, plus four or five prototypes. 44 were built in 1956, mostly for the Swedish market, and the vast majority still survive. Most of 1957's production went to the United States and elsewhere, and fewer of these are still in existence. Volvo's next sports car, the P1800 was much more successful."
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    It's true that the P1800 was a commercial success but it was certainly no "sports car " by the standards of the time, despite the fact that they were assembled by Jensen
    an established maker of sports cars.

    They just didn't have the performance expected of sports cars in what was the Golden Age of Sports cars.

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    I guess the P1800 was more in the mold of the Borgward Isabella TS, or perhaps the Mercedes-Benz 190SL--a comfortable, stylish touring car for two. I've always liked them, but then I have idiosyncratic tastes.

    Speaking of idiosyncratic tastes:
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    AC Greyhound, late 50s and early 60s.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Looks like a Plymouth Turismo. Early 80s I guess.

    Shared body with the Dodge Charger of that era. I'm not sure of they were also based off the K Car platform, but they looked like an uglier and boxier version of the 80s mustang imo.

    A guy I knew had one years ago. he praised it like it was the best engineered car in the world. :lemon:

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    You are correct Boomchek. The Turismo /TC3 was not K-Car based but a variation on the smaller L-Body which began as the Dodge Omni/Plymouth Horizon and spawned Talbot and Simca versions for the Euro market as well.

    As for engineering, I have never driven a car with as much torque steer as when I drove a friend's brand-new TC3. With less than 100hp and a three speed autobox, the damn thing nearly tore my arms off when I punched the throttle to make a left turn. :surprise: :sick:

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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  • davethecarnutdavethecarnut Member Posts: 248
    66 or 67? I really don't know...I just wanted to be the first to reply :surprise:
  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    1965 Cadillac.
    DeVille?
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    All true. I believe there were actually some components from the L-body that were actually VW-derived, including the original 1.7 liter engine. The later 2.2 version (with the engine from a K-car) was actually pretty quick for its time and market.
  • krushinkurtkrushinkurt Member Posts: 2
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    1976 Cadillac deville STATION WAGON on ebay
    Has anyone ever seen one?
    Does anybody have info on these?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    1976 Cadillac deville STATION WAGON on ebay
    Has anyone ever seen one?

    I have driven one on several occasions. Our radio station acquired a '76 Cadillac Hearse from an outfit in Michigan that specializes in them and used it for 5 or 6 years as a promo vehicles at station remotes and appearances. It was painted yellow and sound equipment was installed. It was known as "The Yellow Submarine".

    It handled more like a battleship, sucked gas like the Exxon Valdez and braked like the Queen Mary. It was sold to a local guy who owns a biker bar and he still uses it as a promo vehicle.

    No doubt the item on Ebay has seen Hearse or Ambulance duty.

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,022
    Here's the link for that '76 Cadillac wagon. This one actually looks like a custom job, and indeed, the write-up says only 12 were built. Instead of being a hearse/ambulance, which had a long wheelbase and raised roof, and generally contracted out to outside companies to finish them, this thing looks like a factory job. It appears they took a Sedan Deville 4-door hardtop and grafted a station wagon roof on the back. From the side it looks a bit like the GM clamshells, but the rear looks like it has a regular drop-down tailgate.

    Interesting looking beast, but I'm sure it would be a terror to restore! And hardtops and wagons were two body styles that never did mix well...I imagine it rattles like crazy.
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Yes. The C-pillar is particularly troubling in its shape--it's not from either the GM full-size wagon or the stock Cadillac sedan. It looks like they just cut along the forward edge of the little sail-panel window. Not likely very good in a rollover. . .

    Restore it? Yikes!
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    That's a Dellow, made in the UK from '49-'58. The angle of the photo obscures the
    split kidney shaped grille that charcterized these cars. The light weight and small size of these cars made them very competitive in Trials Competition (essentially off-road hill climbing).>

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    I agree Andre, the roof on our Yellow Sub was raised considerably to make room for the rear...er...passenger (caskets can be quite tall). That is a custom of some kind, I
    see it does not have the awful bench seat of the Hearse version, easily the least comfortable car I have ever driven which includes old pickups and a Hummer H1.

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  • hudsonthedoghudsonthedog Member Posts: 552
    All true. I believe there were actually some components from the L-body that were actually VW-derived, including the original 1.7 liter engine. The later 2.2 version (with the engine from a K-car) was actually pretty quick for its time and market.

    The engine (and one transmission) was derived from Volkswagen. The rest of the car was French, from Chrysler's European divisions...as stated above.

    The L-body (Dodge Omni/024/Charger and Plymouth Horizon/TC3/Turismo) was powered by a range of engines during it's 13 year run including the aforementioned 1.7L, a Peugeot 1.6L, and of course a variety of Chrysler 2.2L engines from 84hp to to 175hp. The later K-Car was an American design.
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Yup. The yellow one was a 1950-51 Dellow Mk 1, with the leaf springs.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,328
    Pontiac Astra. One of the fine clone versions of the Vega. I'll guess about a '75

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Close, Astra is/was an Opel model name, Pontiac's Vega Clone was an
    Astre. ;)

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
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