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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Oh, I didn't even think of that...a Toyota Will

    I bet that's it.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    How about a 351 Cleveland? In a 70ish Mustang? Never saw someone carefully drill all those holes in an air cleaner...
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,328
    certainly a 351 Ford (I would have no idea if it was cleveland or windsor), but it looks like a 71-73 Mustang.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Yup, it's a 351 V8 in a '73 "Stang.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    No takers for #22788? Going...going...

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    I think the red thing in the background is an early Toyota, maybe this is too. Kind of that hybrid Japanese-Italian styling from the early 60s.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Nope, not a 'Yoda. You're probably right about the Italo-Nipponese styling.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Hmmm a mid 60s Mazda?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Hmmm a mid 60s Mazda?

    Yup, a 1966 Mazda Familia/Mazda 800, styled by Giugiaro (Italdesign).

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • urnewsurnews Member Posts: 668
    1958 Chrysler 300
  • wgraferwgrafer Member Posts: 592
    "1958 Chrysler 300 " Correct. Ain't it a beauty?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Shouldn't that be 1958 Chrysler 300D?

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  • wgraferwgrafer Member Posts: 592
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    I stand corrected -it is indeed a "300D" And here's the hardtop version...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    2011 Buick Regal?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Chinese characters on the front plate?

    Greenhouse is nice enough, but the accent line starting at the front door is weird - like a reversed version of the same thing on a 02-06 Camry. The front fender "vent" is lame too. MB must have had a surplus of leftover facelift W211 foglights...
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    "1958 Chrysler 300 " Correct. Ain't it a beauty?

    I liked the grill and full length taillights on the 57 better, but it was probably the top vehicle designed by Virgil Exner. I also liked the similar DeSoto Adventurer. Its a shame the lousy quality of Mopar 57/58 vehicles, which wasn't Exner's fault, sullied his reputation. Of course, the 61 Plymouth didn't help either.

    I'll go as far as stating that I think the 57/58 300 is as timeless and classic as cars like the Jaguar XKE or orignal Stingrays. They all still look great today!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,022
    I never really noticed...is the grille on the 300C different from the 300D? I know for the 300E in 1959, it had sort of a horizontal theme going on with the grille, that seemed a bit more heavyhanded...plus the more awkward fins and rear-end that seemed to slope forward a bit.

    I never liked the shrunken 1958 taillights, either!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Judging by the pic appearing on the Hyundai thread, some kind of Korean MB copy? Although the tail lights and headlights appear more Asian, and MB hasn't had a fixed rear quarter window like that on a sedan in decades ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You're on the right track, but you cheated. :P
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    2011 Buick Regal?

    It's the current (2009) Chinese-market Buick Regal.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I never really noticed...is the grille on the 300C different from the 300D?

    They are very close, but I think if you look closely you'll find the 57 was less intricate with simpler, wider rectangles.

    Maybe the shrunken 58 taillights was the beginning of Exner getting a bit desperate for changes. A lot of the 59's weren't improvements, probably the Plymouth was the best of them while Dodge was the most extreme. 60/61's were all over the boards. Some, like the Chrysler were quite stunning, but some of the others like Plymouth were not. I wonder what his 62's would have looked like if Mopar management hadn't directed he downsize them on short notice? I saw some Studebaker prototypes for full size (maybe 66's?) that Brooks Stevens did that I think may have drawn some design elements from the stillborn full size 62 Mopar clays. They were pretty clean for the times actually. As for the downsized 62 Plymouth and Dodge, if you look at their design and dimensions (long hood, short decklid), they kind of showed where GM would head with their intermediates later in the decade and into the early 70's. Well, I guess I'm digressing again - can't help it, Exner and Mitchell were my two favorite car designers.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Toyota Cressida, ca. 1989-91.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Look how big the green houses were back then.

    I saw one of these on the road today, and thought the same thing:

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    . . . and that's a '92-95 Acura Vigor. Wonderful car, splendid five-cylinder engine.

    Come to think of it, I also miss the days when Acuras had names. . .
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yep, that was a 94 from Edmunds photo library.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Toyota Cressida, ca. 1989-91

    Wrong model, sorry.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Crown?
  • wgraferwgrafer Member Posts: 592
    It's the 2010 Hundai Sonata! Yet another winner of the 'Honda Look-Alike' contest.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,419
    That is a twin of my wife's Vigor... '94 GS model...

    Anyone want to guess the MSRP?

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    #22809 has not yet been identified. Surely someone knows what it is, here it is
    again>

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    Going...going...

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    1990 Lexus ES250?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Sure looks like a Cressida to me, 1989-90 most likely, as I think the 91s had the belt buckle badge.

    IIRC on a recent Forbes story about stolen cars, they had that exact promo shot labeled as an 89 Camry.
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    I agree, fintail--but it could be a little newer.

    For comparison, here's an '89 Camry:

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Honda? :confuse:

    The Sonata's design is much, much more radical than the Accord's. I don't think they look alike at all. They both have a character line on the side, but that's where the similarities end.

    Check out the front end of the Sonata - worlds apart, and like no Honda, not even close. Check it out:

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think not...

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    I can't think of two sedans that are more different.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Anyone want to guess the MSRP?

    When I lived in CA, I had a co-worker who leased a Vigor not long after they were released. I want to say that the MSRP was in the mid to upper 20's.

    Wow, that picture of the 2011 Sonata is a stunner! Toyota and Honda had better watch out, because Hyundai really has their collective poop in a group, design wise.

    The Accord looks like it got beat with an XL-sized ugly stick in comparison.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    IMHO this is what it resembles (and no coincidence)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'd say "inspired by" more than resembles.

    There's no doubt the designer drew inspiration from the CLS, but the details are mostly different.

    The creases on the Sonata are very pronounced, not so at all on the Benz. And that's what pops, the stand-out feature.

    The greenhouse is more similar, especially that C-pillar, but even then the Sonata has a taller roofline.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    If there was no CLS, would this Sonata have the same design? I bet not...

    Inspired by assumes a strong resemblance.

    CLS has also been on the market for nearly 5 years, angularity for the sake of angularity wasn't so big then. That image isn't a raw photograph either.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We could go back even further, to Harley Earl's longer-lower-wider theory of design.

    The CLS ignited a trend, sure.

    But so did the Audi TT. Seemingly every car now has to have metallic accents in the interior, real or fake. Including all Benzes I've seen lately.

    This is just the MO of the auto industry. Jump on the bandwagon of any hot trend.

    Hyundai did that, sure, but they really pushed the envelope pretty far, IMHO more than Mercedes did.

    The CLS is handsome, but the Sonata actually makes the Benz look a bit ... (dare I say it?) ... dated.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Apologies to you, Fintail, and to Stephen987. It is indeed an '89 Cressida.

    The L.A. Times made the same mistake as Forbes in their article on cars most stolen in California and I didn't notice the grille was that of a Cressida, not a Camry, because of the angle.. :blush::blush:

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    And we could go back even further to the Mercedes Simplex being the first modern car :P

    I don't see Hyundai pushing an envelope. They are just making an upmarket design theme mainstream. It's not a bad thing, but it's no revolution. Actually introducing the sleek "4 door coupe" theme and finding huge success with it is far more significant.

    The CLS IS dated - it's been around for almost 5 years now, with only minor changes.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Hmmm...I see a Dauphine, a Caravelle, not sure about the white thing (Simca?), I think the little van is a Renault Juvaquatre, a 2CV, maybe another Dauphine
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If a Hyundai can make a Benz seem dated, the designer hit a home run.

    That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. ;)
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