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I can live with that. Now I can keep the baby's music is the cd changer for "emergencies."
Merry Christmas.
Mark
Just be sure to turn off all electrical stuff before disconnecting the battery.
And let the car IDLE the entire time.
Kip
Congratulations!
Kip
Moving the car from a "stand still" requires more fuel than is required once under way.
Heavy city driving is a real MPG killer.
You mileage should improve some as the engine loosens up, but may not reach the EPA estimates.
Kip
I got 2007 CR-V EX 2WD about 2 mo ago
Trying to drive very economically according to all advises from http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/FEG2007.pdf
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=mpgData&vehicleID=22401&browser=tr- - - ue&details=on
I have 1200 miles already but but my MPGs are very low
in city 12-13MPG versus 23 advertised (never seen anything higher then 16)
on highway it is 24 (versus 30)
In that booklet it said real world MPG are different from sticker numbers by 10% less in city and 22% less - on highway
I do not know what is going on ....
I have 3 considerations
1. may be they forgot to do IDL TRAINING ( I can do it myself)
2. Some people say car has to breake in but I think it will not affect my MPGs dramatically
3. May be I just need to check my car at dealership...
People! what do you think about my problem?
thank you in advance
JJ
in city 12-13MPG versus 23 advertised (never seen anything higher then 16)
on highway it is 24 (versus 30)
In that booklet it said real world MPG are different from sticker numbers by 10% less in city and 22% less - on highway
I do not know what is going on ....
I have 3 considerations
1. may be they forgot to do IDL TRAINING ( I can do it myself)
2. Some people say car has to breake in but I think it will not affect my MPGs dramatically
3. May be I just need to check my car at dealership...
Actually, the EPA numbers are estimates made by the US government, not by Honda. And they are Estimateas, not advertisements.
You may want to look into your driving habits, or the choice of fuels.
Rapid and frequent acceleration will result in lower mpg's.
See if the parking brake, or any of the brakes are stuck. Put the car in neutral on flat surface and push. You should be able to push it fairly easy.
Gasolines which contain Ethanol will lower your mpg. A fuel contaning 10% Ethanol (very common) wil result in almost 10% drop in MPG's. In your case you have a 30% drop. Which leads me to believe that it is a combination of things.
If you live in or around NYC, that is not really city driving, it is WORSE than city. I get 26 mpg in city driving, but I drive stick, which is superiorly fuel efficient, especiially in city driving. Granted, I have a 2005 Model, but the engine and tranny are the same as 2007 model.
Good luck.
Hey, Russians always say there is no Russian Mafia, lol.
Poka.
yes...probably it is true I have a combination.
I think it is combination of "bad adjustment" + car has not been "broken in" yet i think my driving is OK because I was aware of how to drive economically, I use recommended normal (87) gas from 76 company and I live around Los Angeles (traffic is not as bad as in NY)
I have decided first to take it to the dealership to eliminate any possible calculation/observing mistakes
spasibo za otvet
it is like instant (10sec delay) feedback - you can learn how to drive economically
my main purpose posting here was to find out are other owners of 2007 cr-v in same situation? and is it normal for that car and for that usage stage?
now I see it is not normal
so I am going to take to dealership this week probably
ps. I checked it today it is 14,5 MPG now - better then last week (13)
Is it possible the dealer did something that should have been done during "GET READY" but wasn't?
Kip
While that 5% would not make a lot of difference in MPG calculations, it would make some. 30mpg could show a high of 31.5 or a low of 28.5 depending on the direction of the speedometer error.
Makes me wonder if some of these horrible MPG figures could be a combination of several things, including a grossly inaccurate speedometer. :confuse:
If the sensor reading revolutions of the wheels, output shaft, or whatever is faulty, couldn't that also send bad info to the computer and fuel management systems? Some things do seem to be speed sensitive as well as throttle and rpm, and/or combinations of them.
I wonder if dealers have the ability to check the accuracy of speedometers and /or sending units.
Kip
230 miles/13.2 gallons = 17.4 mpg.
First tank gave me 18.2 mpg.
Modest city only driving. Not very impressive...
07 CR-V EX 4WD
PR
What is ILP?
It may or may not have been done correctly or at all. There is no way to tell whether or not it has been done other than a Check Mark on the "Get Ready" sheet.
I firmly believe it can affect fuel economy. I know for a fact it did on my Pilot.
I did ILP on our CR-V before the first tank ran out, just to make sure it had been done correctly. Our 03 CR-V /4sp, AT, and 4WD averages 22-25 local and 27-30+ road, depending if my LEAD FOOTED wife or I am driving.
For how to, go to Honda Pilot Real World Gas mileage, justaveragejoe, "Honda Pilot Real World MPG" #196, 26 Dec 2006 8:14 pm. Start about post 199 (Page 11) and read through to STEVE (HOST) post on page 12.
Not everyone agrees with me!!! :confuse:
Kip
lawros,
Glad your mileage improved. It should improve a bit more as time goes by. That is if you don't forget how to drive with a light foot!
Do you know what the software updates were concerning?
Kip
My one is has about 800 rpm which seems kind of high.
first tank 24, second tank 23. About 50/50 city/highway. Was hoping for a little better.
2007 CR-V AWD EX-L
speedo GPS notes
20------21 (the difference was much closer to 0.5mph)
30------30
40------40
50------50
60------59
70------68 (the difference was much closer to 1.5mph)
so, in summary, mine is spot on at speeds between 30 and 50mph, about 0.5mph low at 20, exactly 1mph high at 60, and about 1.5mph high at 70
Don't know why I haven't thought of using it before. Thanks for the tip!
Kip
i had almost forgotten about oxygenated fuel--required in some states during the winter months--can have a big impact on fuel economy. nominally, it is 2-3% but some people claim a decrease of up to 15%.
Are the EPA estimates of 28 HWY and 30 HWY for the AWD and 2WD models realistic? I usually keep my speed around 65 MPH.
I was thinking about a Civic but if the CR-V can get high 20's, I might lean that way.
Thanks,
Eric
4WD is nice to have in those once in every couple of years that it might be needed around here, or a constant need in other states.
Good vision, good seating height (Chair like) for those with lower back problems, and good cargo space.
However for strictly commuting, I would have to look seriously at the Civic. For more room and better seating there is the Honda "FIT".
At 150 miles a day you will be traveling 39,000 miles a year. Figuring gas at $2.25 a gallon and 30 mpg vs 40 mpg, there is $730+ yearly difference to consider. At $3 a gallon, closer to $1000 yearly. :sick:
Kip
I will be travelling about once a month so my commute will be about 3 weeks of the month meaning about 27,000 - 30,000 miles per year.
Nevertheless, you have a valid point about fuel economy concerns in addition to the extra costs of the vehicle.
The thing is, I have two kids and although it would not be their primary transport vehicle - I don't know if I want them in a Civic.
Also, having driven full size pick-ups and mid size SUV's exclusively for the past decade, I don't know if I can bring myself to drive a little car.
I did test drive a Civic Sedan EX and it felt bigger than it looked and had good enough power. I just wonder if I will actually get close to the 40 MPG as per the EPA.
I figured that if the CR-V got close to 30 MPG, I'd be happy since my '98 Explorer tops out around 20 MPG.
I start the new job on 2/26 so I'd like have something by then which my preclude me from getting a CR-V.
Thanks,
Eric
I believe the CR-V is sitting on a Civic platform, for what that is worth.
I haven't been to a Civic "Real World Gas Mileage" forum, but from comments on the "Fit" forums, the Civics and Corollas are delivering as promised when driven with economy in mind.
I pretty much got out of sedans in 1987. The low sitting position was really beginning to bother the lower back. We had, and still do have, a 78 Chevy G20 Van for camper hauling. The chair like seats always seemed perfect for sitting for long periods. Got rid of my "CAR" in '87 for First an Astro, then a Mazda MPV, then a Montero, a Ram P/U and so on. In 03 I got a Pilot.
That said, my wife has always driven sedans. The last two were an 87 Olds FWD Cutlass which we bought new, then a new 95 Maxima. It got to where we did our road trips in my vehicles, simply because they were more comfortable for us. We like the sitting position and the "seeing" position.
She loves flea markets and garage sales. Often times I had to go pick up something she couldn't get into the Maxima. She really was in love with that Maxima. I talked to her about trading for a Pilot but it was a "NO". Then I noticed she was having trouble getting in and out of the Maxima (Bad knees) and was beginning to complain of lower back pain after driving for a while. Two neighbor/friends bought NEW 03 CR-Vs. Finally, reluctantly she agreed to test drive one. She said it was "Cute" and liked the driving position and the cargo space. Did not like the lack of power or lack of handling compared to the Maxima. The thing that sold her was the easy getting in and out, without stooping down. She reluctantly traded that day.
When gas recently hit $3+ a gallon, I suggested we might want to consider getting a Fit or Civic. She said, "You can trade your Pilot, but my CR-V stays with me"!
That is a testimony!
From what I have read here, the '07s are even better!
Kip
Honda spokesman Horikoshi says, "...the new CR-V has its own platform, sharing just seven percent of its parts with the Acura RDX (and nine percent with the Civic). ...just two percent derives from the old CR-V"
so, yeah, whereas the previous-generation CRV was built on a civic platform, the current seems to have it's own
I applaud you for your numbers, but I'm pretty sure most will not experience the same. However I believe the CR-V is as efficient as any small SUV. When you combine that with it's utility it is a winner if that is the type of vehicle one seeks.
I wrote, "I concur. Our '03, 4WD, 4Spd AT gets 29-31 on the road, depending on terrain. 65-68 mph."
I strive to run at 65-68 mph. Typical terrain in my area is a lot up hill or down hill, long hills. I use cruise very little. I use gravity when possible to gain a little extra toward the bottom of a downhill. This results in a little less throttle on the next up. When the road is relatively flat, the cruise is used and set at 2500rpm.
AC is used if a driver and passenger windows down 1-2" is insufficient.
This method generally yields 31 mpg if AC is not used, and 29 if AC is used a lot.
Averaging 70-75 the mileage drops to around 27.
My wife driving can usually achieve 2-3 mpg less. :sick:
She enjoys the brake and throttle pedals.
Kip
I suggest that she give just enough throttle to allow the tranny to shift at about 2500 rpm without having to lift her foot. Her version of that is to give plenty of throttle at first, then let up so it will shift at 2500-3000. She likes to accelerate all the way to a Stop sign or Traffic light, then brake fairly hard. Follows too close so it is gas and brake, gas and brake........
On the expressway, instead of easing around some one, she wants to PASS them. Usually the tranny will downshift.
She will get about the same mileage as you are getting.
I enjoy the driving part of a trip and engage in the fuel mileage game while staying at 63-68 mph in the RH lane of traffic, while not blocking up the LH lane when passing, and not varying speed more than 5 MPH from going down one hill and up the next. She just wants to get there!
On a 500 mile trip a 30 mpg average will save about $7.50 over a 25 mpg average if gas is $2.25 a gallon. I see it as fun that I beat the averages. She doesn't see it that way!
It isn't the $7.50 so much as the satisfaction.
Even though speed is about the same for each of us, the way we accomplish it is different.
Kip
From personal experience I know your CR-V is getting MPG on the highway that others only occasionally achieve. IIWM I'd be pretty happy.
I enjoy playing the mileage game. It drives my wife up a wall.
We have livestock so most trips are taken when grass is green and they can graze instead of having to be fed daily.
Therefore trips are generally taken in warm to hot weather.
That would probably eliminate "Winter Blends" of gas.
I don't know what kind of mileage she is getting right now in this colder weather. She drives the CR-V 90% of the time and never records mileage.
On the other hand I drive the 03 Pilot 4WD and consistantly average near 19. The route I take now, my work place is 13.5 miles round trip. That round trip involves 10 roads total for both ways, 2 stop signs, one merge, and 11 traffic lights Traffic is lite at 11am and 7pm. Rural roads and average posted speed limit is 35-45mph. Time for the trip is about 18 minutes each way. Obviously I don't catch every RED light. Keep in mind that is about 6.75 miles each way starting with a cold engine. There might be a round trip of 30-40 miles at 55-65 mph on back roads with few lights and stop signs on each tank. My last 5 tanks recorded:
Miles....Gal.....MPG
261.....14.......18.0
250.2...12.9.....19.4
361.3...17.......21.3
133.....7.6......17.5
212.8...11.2.....18.9
Notice how the WAY the tank was field reflected MPG for that particular tank. That 21.3 is a bit high and indicates to me that it was not filled all the way as the next dropped to 17.5. Still averages 19 mpg.
In that same car with 4035 miles on the odometer we took a road trip From south of Atlanta to Greenwood Indian. The average mileage for the entire trip was 26.92 which included sight seeing in Greenwood. The road trip itself ( leaving out the sightseeing tank) averaged 28.2 mpg. Best mileage on the road was 30.2 and the worse was 26.2. AC ran maybe 30% and posted speed limits were observed. Cruise was only used on good flat stretches of roads. Mostly in Kentucky and Indiana.
On the other hand we took a trip to Myrtle Beach averaging 80-90 mph with 4 people and luggage. It was raining and hot and the air was running most of the time. Cruise was used a lot. Trip going got 18.4 mpg. Filled up when I got there.
Trip back was in economy mode at posted speed (65-70 max) limits, little AC, and not much cruise control. Filled up at the same pump we left on. 28.7 mpg.
Speed, AC, Cruise control on hilly terrain, and a heavy foot, can and do greatly affect mileage.
To put things is proper perspective:
Most people want to use the AC and the Cruise whenever possible. They want to drive with a foot heavier than necessary. They want to get to the destination as quickly as they can. They feel that tailgating the car in front of them will somehow get them there faster. They accelerate all the way to a stop sign or traffic light. I don't! Most people will get the average of the window posted milesge. Some will get much worse and some will get much better.
Our Pilot and CR-V are both 03 models, bought new and each has about 23K on the odometer. So we don't drive as much as most. 2-5 mpg is not going to make a difference of whether or not we eat.
For me it is a game. I've done the ILP on both cars, run 3# more air in the tires than the door calls for and drive like there is not going to be any more gas for a while. Keeping in mind to not be a hazard or irritation to other drivers. Do I ever RED Line em? Yep! Sometimes it is necessary!
Frankly I'm disappointed that the CR-V doesn't do better than it does compared to the 1000# HEAVIER and more powerful Pilot. Maybe it is because the Pilot is 5 speed and the CR-V is 4 speed. :confuse:
Kip