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Audi A4 Lease Questions
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What kind of difference is it from last month?
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Looking for the MF and residuals for 10kmiles/year for 36 months on the 2009 Audi A4 2.0 Premium. Thanks!
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MSRP:$35,005
Money down:$3940 Includes taxes, tag, title and 1 payment.
Montly payment= $409
Do you guys think that this is a good deal? or maybe I can negotiate a better deal.I really want to have 12k miles per year at least.
Thank you !!!!
Can you tell us which dealer offered you this deal?
Thank you!
Thanks
where are you located? and what is the agreed upon sales price for the audi. many have been paying just above or just below invoice recently depending on the part of the country. you might have a little room to negotiate the price based on the numbers you suggested and this will get your down payment cut substantially. and it does make sense to roll in the audi care if you want to compare apples to apples.
I am willing to sell you the car for $53,385 and it has an MSRP of $64,225. The residual is 46% and the money factor is .00300. These are all set by US Bank, which has the cheapest leasing rates for this car. With all these factors your monthly payment would be $975 including tax.
Do these numbers seem right to you? I knew the residual would be lower since it's an '08 and they're not making the S4 in '09. But is that money factor right? $975 seems crazy . . .
don't know what part of the county you are in but there are 2009 s4 being sold. they have the 4.2 v8 and not the superchared 3.0 that will be on the 2010. i got the following afs rates from lease compare for 2009 models:
2009 Audi S4 6-Speed Cabriolet
24 Month – Residual 62% of MSRP – .00304 Base Rate
36 Month – Residual 54% of MSRP – .00304 Base Rate
48 Month – Residual 43% of MSRP – .00324 Base Rate
2009 Audi S4 Tiptronic Cabriolet
24 Month – Residual 62% of MSRP – .00304 Base Rate
36 Month – Residual 54% of MSRP – .00304 Base Rate
48 Month – Residual 43% of MSRP – .00324 Base Rate
your cap cost will be higher for 2009 but so will your residual.
I've started my preliminary shopping and am getting quotes of $400-500 over invoice here in Colorado.
However, I am also getting quoted with expensive miscellaneous dealer fees.
Dealer #1 - $489 dealer handling fee (non-negotiable)
Dealer #2 - $185.88 adverting fee, $195 prep/inspection fee & $183.44 service department pre-delivery inspection fee. Grand total of dealer fees = $564.
Dealer #2 even emailed me a PDF copy of their invoice showing the first 2 fees mentioned.
My question is, do these $500 of additional fees seem normal? Is there a way to get the car for $0 over the "regular" Edmunds invoice and still have the dealer make a profit once you factor in these fees (as Audi does not offer dealer holdback)? Are these non-negotiable fees simply there to boost the dealer's profit and make it appear that you are getting a good deal if you negotiate down to invoice, or are they actually legit?
Basically, can I do better than $500 over Edmunds invoice + $500 in dealer fees?
Thanks so much!
i'm in the chicago area with a fair number of dealerships, so i whipped around
the same email to about 8 dealerships, re: a4 2.0T quattro premium plus, MSRP $38000.
most of them had similar sale prices, around $36000. for a 36 month lease, 15K with no money down (plus chicago taxes), i was being quoted monthly payments of about $700/month (ouch.) they were using the posted MF 0.00171 and audicare residual of 56%.
however, i had one dealer who is offering me monthly payments much less, about $625, similar taxes included. when i pressed for the sale price and money factor, he replied that they could offer a much lower price because they were a wholesaler, for basically $34169. but his money factor was a whopping 0.00219. same audicare residual of 56%.
when i mentioned feeling strange paying this inflated MF, his reply was that he was pretty confident that even with the higher money factor, his deal was the best. his quote: "do you want the lower money factor or lower monthly payment?"
truth is, he's right. his is the best deal. and i'm having a hard time arguing his point. but it does feel strange. should i just take it? (or am i missing something...)
[he's also pressing for me to close this deal before the new MF kick in, citing some new 5-tiered credit score based MF coming out. but i've seen a link that the "general" MF will be less at 0.00169. i'm not sure how this would effect this dealers MF.]
It obviously all depends on your situation and if you can walk away from one dealer or another. But I'd tell the dealer to add Audi Care if you haven't already and make the payment $600.00 and see if he can match it. The dealers I mentioned above are very willing to deal and I was easily able to play each against each other. The only thing that may make it different now is that I got one of the first to hit the lot and apparently now they are selling rather well. Either way it looks like you got a very good deal!
Going from a money factor of .00171 to .00219 will raise your total expenditure over a 3 year period by approximately $1000 - all things being equal. Use any of the several lease calculators online to verify this. You should be able to easily compare your quotes to see which plan is more favorable.
IMO, A good deal on a Premium Plus means that your TOTAL pre-tax payments over a 36 month period, 15k/yr come to:
$18500 or less without Audi Care
$18900 or less with Audi Care (residual is 1% higher)
The above numbers do not include any taxes, tags, title fees, security deposit, etc. They are only the total of all pre-tax payments that go to Audi. The security deposit is refundable, so I don't tend to include that in my calculations.
i just asked him to re-do the numbers for 12K, and i'm getting $604/month.
is this similar to what you got?!
thanks.
ps- any opinion on waiting until tomorrow? the official MF is to drop to 0.00169 from 0.00171. not sure if their "house" MF will do the same.
You can EASILY get the Premium Plus for a total cap cost of under $36,000 including the acquisition fee (without Audi Care).
The difference between .00171 and .00169 is next to nothing. Unless the residual changes for the better as well, there is no advantage in waiting. Where did you find your new MF numbers? Have you heard anything about the residual changing?
I have learned a lot on this blog and it has been really helpful.
I am looking to get the a4 2009 - Prestige (which I was told lower residual)
With Nav
Black on Black
I am in Southern California.I am looking to buy this week.
The best deal I got last night was (and the pressure was on...)
12k
36months term
$600
$1600 drive off (first, last month drive off)
I walked, but...
Is this a good deal?! I really wanted a 24 month lease (but they were quoting me in the $700's)
Please let me know!! If not, I want to counter!!
Thanks! I am a female so trying to be smart and not get jacked around!
buried in the original email is the new sale price of about $34140, i believe. even with the roughly $1000 taken by the inflated MF over 36 months, $35000 is better than the $36000 i've been quoted by other various dealers.
i can't put the exact link here by forum rules, but the website is "ride with g".
the residuals didn't change.
new incentive: one guy said for current lessees, they are paying your first month and waving sec dep. havent been able to confirm.
on edmunds site: $1500 in loyalty cash for cap cost reduction or down payment
A4 Premium Plus, Meteor Gray, Sport Package
Lease: 3yr / 36,000 miles
MSRP: $39450
Invoice: $36700
Sale Price: $37000
Acquisition Fee: $575
Cap Reduction (owner loyalty): $1500
Adjust Cap Cost: $36075
Residual: .55 (.56 with Audi Care)
Money Factor: .00169
I'm basically giving $875 profit if you look at difference between invoice and sale price + acquisition fee.
The residual went down, but the loyalty incentive seems to make the final pricing pretty sweet.
The payment is going to be: $486/mo + taxes.
I'm guess most dealers will be giving similar pricing if you factor in loyalty incentive!
*Excludes taxes, title and dealer fees. See dealer for details.
*LEASE EXAMPLE: Rate based on MSRP $34,405 of 2009 Audi A4 2.0 T quattro with 6-speed automatic transmission and destination charge. Purchase option at lease end for $19,954.90. 36-month closed-end lease offered to qualified customers by Audi Financial Services through participating dealers. Lessee responsible for $0.25/mile over 10,000 miles per year and a disposition fee of $350 due at lease end.
I am calling my sales guy today to see what we can work out since I have less then 10 days on my current lease...
I am looking for a 2009 A4 Prem Plus with Nav on a 36 month, I would love to get the Avant but I am guessing that's out of my budgets for toys per month.
Dil
EDIT: If you're talking about what Dilbertic just posted, given that lower MSRP, that car is NOT a premium plus, but just a premium, which has higher residuals.
EDIT: Reading it closer, the wording is very tricky. The inital line doesn't mention premium plus, but then the last line says "Model referenced: Audi A4 2.0 T quattro Premium Plus with 6-speed automatic transmission with Tiptronic and destination charge. Higher MSRP will affect lease price."
So, are they saying the model referenced is not the same as the one mentioned in the offer?
1) Someone else on here posted that their dealer told them the residuals stayed the same from last month
2) I got a quote on a prem+ for 36 mos and 10k miles and the residual was 56% which is the same as last month.
Audi confirmed the $1500 loyalty bonus but he couldn't confirm that they are also paying first month. Also romised to get back to me on that...we shall see!
our local main audi chicagoland website clearly refers to it being
for the premium, and not the premium plus.
do you think this is a tiered incentive, with offers for premium plus.
i've put a deposit down, but haven't sealed the deal on a premium plus.
i've got questions out to a couple local dealers, but no response yet.
The Season of Audi Event
2009 Audi A4 2.0 quattro Premium 2009 Audi A4 2.0 quattro Premium
$479* lease per month
36 Month Lease
Down payment $0
Refundable security deposit $0
Acquisition fee $0
First month’s payment $479
Amount due at lease inception $479
Excludes Taxes, Title, Other Options and Dealer Charges.
*36-month closed-end lease offered to qualified customers by Audi Financial Services through participating dealers. Must take delivery by January 5, 2009. Rate based on MSRP $34,405 of 2009 Audi A4 2.0 quattro Premium with automatic transmission, premium package, Symphony 6CD Radio, Bluetooth Interface and destination charge. Price excludes taxes, title, other options and dealer charges. Purchase option at lease end for $20,304.90.