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Ride is very nice. Comfortable seats. interior amentities seem nice and well thought out. Leg room for 2nd row looks better than our expedition....
But (you could sense that coming) even though the comparison chart that the dealer showed me suggests more interior room (except for behind 3rd row) than the expedition. When we parked side by side the Tahoe definitely seems smaller.
AND
this is the big part. this is our main family vehicle so my wife drives 90% of the time. We have 2 kids and 2 dogs. How in the world could they NOT figure out how to do a power fold flat 3rd row. Seems like a no brainer. Those fold up seats are a waste, space killer. So you might say well take them out when not needed. But our previous Expedition was that way. We owned for three years and I think I put the 3rd row seat back in 4x the whole time, while we would of used it a lot more if we had it with us.
I was so disappointed to see this, been waiting on this vehicle for 4 months just to have what from a consumer point of view seems like a no brainer option missing.
Anyone heard about any possibility that they correct this with 2008 version? Maybe I can convince wife to hold out another 12 months.
I have always been a GM truck fan previously owned
Tahoes,Suburbans,Yukons&Denalis.My favorite was always my Tahoe 2002 Z71. Now purchased the new 2007 Tahoe
I figured what better way to fully try the truck out than to buy it. Yes it does not have that Rugged Good old Tahoe look but it has its own personality. Alot of nice improvements but a few minor things which i agree with others on here i would have liked to see. #1 Yes it would have been nice to have the 3rd row hide in the floor. #2 I would have liked to see the 2nd row fold down slower with a cutoff in case you decided for child safety to disconnect the auto 2nd row. #3 I wished they offered a Locked driver armrest like they used to years ago. #4 The gas tank cap does not lock when you lock the vehicle(NOGOOD). I live in Jersey and the night i finally got out of there after all the paperwork We had a Hail & snow storm so i got to try out the Auto 4x4. Handles just as good & if not a little better than my old 2003 Yukon Denali Allwheeldrive. Yes there are some minor issues GM will probably work out by 08 model but overall its a fantastic truck with alot of bells&whistles. right before this i drove a 2005 ford excursion for a few days and then a ford expedition. Let me tell you there is nothing out there in this class SUV that drives or handles like a GM SUV no matter if fords seats go in the floor or not. Ford has alot of handling issues and so does Chrysler.
I would like to see some of those minor improvements on the new 07 tahoes but OverALL i still would not trust my Kids Safety in any other trucks than GMs Suvs. I have seen accidents with both type trucks and have driven All. You cant compare Apples with Oranges. I trust GM & thier research way better than Ford or other rice burner companies.
My wife drives a 2004 Range Rover. I have been trying for years to convince her the newer RR are pieces of Sh!! for the money!nothing like the old fashioned Ranges. Now while seeing and driving my newer 07 Tahoe i beleieve she has seen the light of what is quality and how much you can actualy get for your money. She is now thinking of trading in her Range rover for a New chevy Tahoe 07. Unbelievanble. Cant wait till more new ones hit the road and are seen. GM will finally put Ford & many others in thier Place.
Letting somone else try out the new model
But i just couldnt wait since its such a nice vehicle and new kid on the block.
The 06 and prior yrs are still excellent trucks
and we still own 2 in the family.
Good luck with your 06. I read that next years model 08 is supposed to be part Hybrid.
Don't forget, Lutz pushed this launch up six months to get these things on the market. I am not preaching doom and gloom, but it would be no surprise if there was a recall or two on the first run of these units.
As far as expecting big changes for 2008 it won't happen. GM may substitute a redesigned part here and there if it proves problematic but that's about all, the features won't change so quickly.
I like the clean interior of the new Tahoe/Yukon but I am pretty worried about the utilitarian issues (especially off-road and curbs)that it may have.
The front bumper looks as if it would crack in half if you tried to hop a curb, there is no ground clearence. It does not look like it could handle the camping trip either! Also, on occasion I back into the boat trailer with my rear bumper and everything is ok. It looks like the rear bumper on this thing would get trashed if that happened!
I have been a GM truck fan for a very long time and I have been planning on buying an 07' under the assumption it would have many of the same qualities of the previous generation. Now that I have seen it I am keeping my fingers crossed the upcoming Z-71 saves me.
All of this is leading up to my point, GM I still use my sport utility for more than picking up the kids from soccer practice, so to preserve customers like myself please give the Z-71 a little ground clearence and some off-road ba**s. :mad:
So today I was in the area and stopped by...Had the salesman paged that I had talked to a month ago and he took me to the back lot and there they sat. Black SLT and a Steel Gray SLT. Look pretty much the same on the inside as the new Tahoes. Both had 3rd row seats and Nav and moonroofs. I know they have big eyes (headlights) but I like them alot.
My salesman was doing a new car delivery and never made it back before I had to go, so didn't get inside. IMO the black looks especially good and really looks more upscale than the previous generation. The rear spoiler and upper body corners? are also black and helps to give a better look with black.
I read in Forbes that they are not selling as many as Chevy expected so I am hoping for some rebates etc. in the near future.
Anyone want to tell what they have paid thus far? I was quoted 38K for an LT3 2WD which is the best price I have found.
Personally, I liked the new Tahoe a lot. But, there's a 99.9% chance I will not purchase one due to the rearward visibility on the driver's side. There's a big blind spot and I don't trust mirrors.
Also, I didn't think I would like the LTZ due to the 20" rims. I thought they would be too flashy. However, I saw an LTZ on the dealer's lot and I didn't mind the 20" rims. They aren't real flashy. I like the LTZ due to the rear suspension with automatic air leveling. That feature is standard on the LTZ and not available on the other models.
Forgot to mention...the vehicle I drove made a whistling sound. I could clearly hear it from where I was seated in the driver's seat and the salesman could hear it as well from the passenger seat. I thought it was a window seal but he thought the whistling might be coming from the roof rails. At any rate, there shouldn't be a whistle-period.
Also, I agree with any earlier poster that the third seat is a waste and I would not have it. (It's standard on the LTZ). I realize that it folds but to me it's still a waste. If I want to be able to carry 8 people, I'll buy a Suburban!! If I have a Tahoe, I want room in the back to carry luggage, groceries, etc.
sincerely,
fandbpest
I own a 1978 Cheyenne 3/4 ton Camper Special with only 96K miles and I will never part with it.
I am of course, also posting messages on the Pilot website touting the great, new 2007 Tahoe. Pilot owners have been quite helpful by sharing information about the advantages and disadvantages of owning a Pilot.
Again, I apologize if people think I am bashing Tahoes or don't support my country. I am simply doing some research.
"Toyotas, Hondas, Subarus, BMWs, Mercedes-Benzes, Hyundais, and others -- more than 40 models of foreign cars, minivans, SUVS, and pickup trucks -- are rolling off assembly lines at 15 plants in the United States...(MPH Magazine)"
So they do bring a ton of jobs to the market, meaning the bashing of these cars doesn't do anything. If they bring a better product then buy it, if they don't, don't by them. All the pro american stuff is just nonsense. We live in a global ecomany and to be truthful, lots of the american automakers are leaving the US in search of cheap labor in mexico, china, and other places. Maybe you should boycot them for taking american jobs do to outsourcing. So while foreign companies are building more plants, american ones are moving to other places. lets just look at cars on their merit and not on their companies.
If I want a 4 cylinder I will buy one of those little foreign tin cans.
Seems as if GM can't leave well enough alone. Had a great looking SUV and has destroyed its apperence and engine design for a half way V8.
Will not be one in our future purchase plans. Good buy Tahoe/Yukon.
I am with you on the DOD. Still not sure about that.
As for the engine, you obviously don't understand how it works.
Just more gadgets to break and wear out when you disable four cylinders.
Just more gadgets from the auto industry rather than producing true fuel economical engines.
If there really concerned, they will push to the E85 fuel which is a higher octane, cleaner burning and more efficient renewable fuel which will cut our ties to foreign oil and be able to remove some of the restrictive controls that cause today,s engines to be less efficient.
I tried E85 in my previous Tahoe, it was underpowered, got less mpg, and had cold starting issues. I'm all for flexible fuels, as I run biodiesel in my VW TDI and diesel pickups. I don't notice much difference in the trucks and it's more expensive so I stick to #2. My TDI runs quite nicely on B20, quieter, less smoke, etc.
I don't think buying these fuels will do squat for our dependence on foreign oil. It's a bit more complicated than just buying a different fuel. The only time domestic fuel is viable is when demand is up since foreign oil is substantially cheaper. Until we stop buying 15mpg vehicles we don't have much room to talk.
As far as DOD, you just do not understand the technology, or in your words "simple physics"?..Whatever. DOD only cuts spark and fuel to four cylinders when demand is minimal from the powerplant. As soon as demand is called for, the EMS signals fuel and spark back to the deactivated cylinders. This is done within milliseconds and unnoticable to the operator. Frankly, it has very little to do with physics and more with simple common sense.
The new lower MSRP sticker prices are a joke marketing campaign too. Who pays MSRP? So they are lowering the price on a number that is meaningless anyway. Oh, what a great idea. It's so simple, they just don't get it. You have a nice SUV now that people will pay a reasonable price for. Just simply price it at what you're willing to sell it at. People will buy them in droves and I'll be the first to write my check.
So, has anyone out there purchased one of these yet, and if so, how much are they really going for?
If I want a 4 cylinder I will buy one of those little foreign tin cans."
I assume you meant "half-baked". Actually, if you drive one I suspect that you'll find it quite fully-baked. Even on the highway, you'll never notice that it has a disabled half of the cylinders. Press the gas to pass and all 8 cylinders will be in operation.
If you compare the EPA rating of similarly equipped trucks, the new ones get better mileage. In real world driving, I suspect that the a similarly equipped 2007 would get marginally better mileage than the 2006.
As for 4 cylinder cars, GM, Ford, and Chrysler all make cars with 4 cylinder engines. And many of those "foreign tin cans" are actually built here in the US (and built quite well).
Coolant flushes are about $100, tranny and differentials are about $150. Timing belt $600 (@ 100k). Spark plugs at $30k too for the Subie. Basically every 30K costs me about $400 for general servicing.
So when both have reached 100k miles I'll have over $1200 more in general service on my Subie.
Both have had small issues. But I've sat in the service department much longer for the subie just waiting for general service items.
Honda Pilot is similar. I don't own one, but following the Pilot board people have mentioned something like ever 15k or 30k the awd needs servicing (lube/oil change).
Funning how Edmunds "Ture cost of owner ship" show maintenance higher on the Tahoe, but yet the recomended maintenance charts show it much lower.
Pilot Tahoe
15K $164 $82
30K $246 $153
45k $165 $82
60k $246 $174
75k $164 $82
90k $246 $174
105k $304 $342 (100k for the Tahoe)
The new Tahoes and the upcomming Suburban look much nicer, but I don't think I'll shell out $50k for one. I'll wait until I can find one used.
Edmunds TCO includes depreciation, the biggest cost in a newish vehicle. The Tahoe's TCO is higher because its depreciation is higher than a Pilots.
Edmunds shows a $12k depreciation the first year. and $3k after that. If thats so there should be 2006 used Tahoes for about $21k. And now 2005 models for about $18k. Thats a real bargin! good luck finding those prices.
When we shopped for ours here is what we saw...
New 2004 LS Tahoe about $31k with all the rebates
2003 Tahoe $28k (10k miles)
2002 Yukon $26k (40k miles)
2001 Tahoe $22k (?? miles)
If you sold it private party I'll guess you would have only lost about $12,000.
I just looked up used Pilots in the area (minnesota).
2003 EX Pilot 60k miles for $19,000 (list price) If purchase price was $29k (guess) They loose $10k.
Same web site had 2003 Tahoe LS with 58k miles for $22,000
If they bought near $32k (invoice-rebates) they loose $10k
Not a big difference. No difference???
Not nearly the difference Edmunds lists.
We bought our 2003 Tahoe for $28k its now at 38,000 miles
used car web site has a nearly identical 03 Tahoe (37k miles) for $22,000. So in 3 years of owernship we have lost only $6k.
Edmunds seems to think the Pilot will have much better resale than the Tahoe. No idea if that's true. I used Edmunds number to estimate the resale on my '02 Tahoe before I bought it. They ended up being way off, the Tahoe was worth a lot less than what they had estimated. But I bought right before GM started the much larger rebates which killed resale value.
What's the private party value on your Tahoe today? Ads are just ads.
KBB
dealer: $29k (sign me up! a bit optimistic I think)
Private sale: $22k to $25k
trade-in: $18k to $22k
Edmunds:
dealer: $24k
private sale: $21k
trade-in: $19,600
01/13/06 $17,400 32,541 Avg PEWTER
01/11/06 $16,400 42,809 Avg DK BLUE
01/09/06 $17,800 45,729 Avg GRAY
01/12/06 $18,900 48,461 Avg GRAY
01/12/06 $17,100 58,366 Avg WHITE