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  • I sort of agree with you on the Korean cars are good for a-b, and then throw away after x-amount of years. The new Accent and Rio(along with cars like the "Chevy" Aveo) are throw aways, perhaps.

    Now, for a shocking news bit.

    we had a 1999 Sonata GLS-V6; everything except ABS. Got it for 150 over dealer's invoice in the summer of 1999.

    The salesman was a friend of ours, plus he was quitting the saleman bit to move out of state to a new job.

    Few. Needed a new water pump at 108,000. needed a new radiator at 129,000.
    Sold it last fall for 1,150 dollars, to my neighbor.They knew I did the tune-ups, took care of the car,etc.
    "Extra" spent on repairs, stuff other than regular maintainence, alittle over 300(with installation) on the radiator, and 259 for water pump with 600 to round it out over 5 years + of ownership.

    Ohhh, was it JD Powers survey(some agree with it, some don't) Long term for 2002(reliability)....
    Top 3 were Malibu, now defunct Alero, and Sonata.

    We now own a 05 Scion tC(or my spouse does, but i ,too,kind of like driving it).

    Take Care/ Not Offense.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    ....any long term testing done, let alone see a Chevy, Olds, and a Hyundai come out on top. Of the long term testing I have seen the Japanese have always come out on top and the Koreans were still in the middle of the pack. The catagory where the Korean makes usually rank high in are the intial quality ratings, which we all know doesn't tell much about long term reliability or true build quality
    Malibu best midsized for long term 2002, and Hyundai made biggest improvements(for 02 models, but below avg, back then, 4 years ago).
    I saw another version of this, but can not find it. It had Alero 2nd and Sonata 3rd place, behind 1st place Malibu, for LT(in 05 survey).

    Like I said.... some people like JD Powers survey's, some don't.

    2005 "Best Bets" book - 5/0003161139&EDATE=

    This site says Toyota is 9th in quality world wide, and hyundai is now 7th. Title of Sstory is "Hyundai rejects Toyota proposal".

    Don't/Do like these results, folks? I am betting that you might be able to contact someone via e-mail and voice your opinions.

    Now, to be honest, we looked at the new Sonata. We won't buy it: looks like every other vehicle.. Is it a Honda, Toyota, Acura?
    Sure, the 04 may not have been "sleek", but I know a guy who thought it was an Infinity!
    No, not me.

    Anyhow... I like 3 and 5 doors these days, except for truck-based suv's.
    Now, cars we won't be seen in:

    Anything over 19K msrp.
    That makes it much more simple(unless there's a sale, then maybe...).
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I bought a Brilliant Silver/Willow Leather 2004 Infiniti I35 sedan in February of 2005 for $25,800 before taxes.

    I also got great short term (36 month) financing through Infiniti Financial Services.

    The car was brand new with 110 miles on it at the time of delivery and was built in July of 2004. I took delivery from Infiniti of Nashville.

    You're right that the lowest priced Infiniti nowadays goes for close to $30,000,(stripped G35) but almost a year ago Infinitis could be had in the $25,000-$28,000 range.
  • wfbwfb Posts: 10
    First of all--if you live anywhere where it snows, an SUV will be used for it's intended purpose (since that's the purpose many people buy one for). As far as Korean cars being throwaways,how long do most people keep a car anyway? For many people, 5 or 6 years is max and the Korean cars will hold up that long with no trouble. Of course, the resale value will be much lower for these cars, but then again - they cost much less to begin with so it all works out.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 15,338
    I will say this those I know that have Hyundais (me included) have gotten many miles (so far I have 130k on mine) with little or no problems. I would say that they are as good as any other car out there including anything from Japan.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 15,338
    If you read what I said if used for its purpose they are not worthless. My next daily drive might be an SUV simply because of a road trip I want to take.

    As for Korean cars being cheap for going between point a to b you can make that argument for any inexpensive car. So far I have 130k on mine and its still running great, hardly a throw away car.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • jimmy81jimmy81 Posts: 170
    I would say that they are as good as any other car out there including anything from Japan.

    Not me. My Hyundai was an aggrivating machine. Constant nickel dime stuff that Japanese cars don't have. Poor resale value, although it didn't cost much to buy, but I didn't get squat for it when I just sold it.
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    That certainly is a generalization. I've owned cars from Japan, Korea, US and Germany. The Nissan Armada/Infinit Q56 have the worst reliability for 2005 according to CR. I would have no problem buying a Korean car. I'd buy one before I bought another Mercedes. YES... I own a Mercedes.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,748
    I see you have a W203...I asked my MB specialist about those vs my W202...he didn't have many nice things to say. I think any MB that started production in 99/00 might be a dangerous move.

    says something about the recalls , Sentra, and some other vehicles by Nissan , cetrain years, for stalling...
    my car stalled in 90, and the other one in 2001...and they had recalls in 03 ?

    What Gives? Ya think they could fix the issue after x-amount of time?

    I just do not understand why it is an issue still, stalling, (or not running)?

    Just posting this link to show I am not some "random" Nissan basher.... lot of cars have recalls, but this one issue 2 different models we had, same thing, 7 years apart, add the recalls? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---

    We had 2 Nissans: 90 sentra xe, and a 97 200sx.
    90 stalled out at 7000 miles, said chain slipped threw off timing, and burnt up plugs(brown) on one side.
    Fixed under warranty. car did last 233,000.
    97 200sx: needed iginiton coil, rebuild on starter, new timing chain gear and timing chain, and plugs, of course... why? Exact same reason for the 90 sentra stalling out, not restarting.
    13 years of stalling/recalls... varying models... I do not buy 100% into this" Nissan = near perfection"(Japanese model brands, any maker).
    I dunno. All makes have issues.
    we have owned Chevy, Nissan, Hyundai, Scion(Toyota) , either small or large items, all have had issues.
    Had one Nissan (200sx) sold at 66K miles, due to it kept acting up after repairing it. Sonata 99, nearly 138,000 miles, and 800 dollars (radiator and waterpump, local shop fixed 'em)...the 200sx was nearly 1,300, and still ran rough, and dumped it, at 66K miles.
    Which was better?
    We have a Scion tC, needed wiper arm fixed 2 times on passenger side this year, under warranty. Minor thing, but that is 1 thing wrong vs our 04 sonata 0items.
    Who knows...may just save up and buy the new Impala that has a V8 aand gets 28MPG hwy,(maybe 30 miles by 09?).
    Anyhow, take care, not offense.
  • jimmy81jimmy81 Posts: 170
    we have owned Chevy, Nissan, Hyundai, Scion(Toyota) , either small or large items, all have had issues.

    Shoulda bought a Honda
  • Recalls: only a minor sampling of Honda recalls:
    Maybe not the worst items for recall....but recalls anyway.

    No such thing as a perfect car company. None.

    Take care/Not Offense
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I have owned 3 Hondas, 1 Infiniti, 1 Mazda, and 2 Fords.

    All of them have had issues ranging from a broken clock at delivery (Infiniti) to requiring a new transmission. (Honda Odyssey)

    So sometimes it's just luck.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    a bmw 1 series
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    That's one sweet ride - and it's not the kind of car I'm talking about. The ones I'm referring to have more rust than sheetmetal and more bondo than paint. They usually smoke like a tar baby and the tail pipe is wired up with a wire coathanger, and you can never tell who's driving because the headliner hangs down to the backside of the headrest.

    Your car has obviously been restored and it is something that is eye catching, not an eye-sore.
  • Subaru Tribeca is an astoundingly ugly car. There is one parked near a home not far from where I live. Every time I bike past it, I feel serious aversion. It looks like a monster with a square mouth and square eyes. It even beats Pontiac Aztek in the ugliness department.

    I wouldn't be caught dead driving Subaru B9 Tribeca, and now won't even consider buying any Subaru, as this name by itself reminds me of Tribeca
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    You already have said that Korean cars are as good as Japanese cars and according to stats, you're wrong.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 15,338
    Constant nickel dime stuff that Japanese cars don't have.

    I am not sure about that, I have a sister that buys nothing but Toyota and hers goes into the shop very often for repairs. Plus I have never known anyone to have a Mitsubishi with over 60K who wasn't being nickeled and dimed to death.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 15,338
    Remember there are three types of lies, lies, damn lies and statistics.

    That being said I will stand by my statement Hyundai builds them as well as anyone else including Japan. I have seen way to many Hyundais go the distance with few, if any, problems and way to many Toyotas and Hondas give their owners grief. Can you say engine sludge?

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • ontopontop Posts: 279
    I have seen many many many Hondas and Toyotas go the distance with no problems. And I'v seen many Hyundais disappoint their owners.

    Hyundai's reputation is dirt compared to Honda and Toyota. Get your head out of the ground and see what people want out there. It ain't Hyundai.

    Go ahead and pick the sludge thing against Toyota, and try to convince the rest of the world they're mistaken buying a Toyota. Then ask em about Hyundai and get ready for the snickers.
  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    before this turned into "I hate Hyundai, You love Hyundai." That's got to be a new record.
  • Any car with a stupid name that only last for 1 year. For example, element, beetle, passat, etc.

    Currently, driving 2006 denali and 2002 gs 300 lexus
    Previous cars
    1998 BMW 318 Convertible
    1994 Pathfinder
    1988 Chevy Nova

    I loved all my cars which I purchased all new.
    However, I will take a ride in anything but purchasing is something different.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    By coincidence I just finished reading Autoweek's annual round-up of the year, and Tribeca made an appearance in a funny piece where they basically suggested that gluing a dead weasel onto the grille would substantially improve its looks. And I'm not sure I disagree! LOL

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    There's nothing wrong with admitting you bought a car because it was cheap. However, there's a big problem buying a car because it was cheap and then trying to make yourself feel better by trying to convince everyone you bought it because it's built better, or even as good as something else when it clearly isn't. Instead of making yourself look bad by continuing to make ignorant statements, why don't you do a little research so in the future, you can post some credible statements?
  • john_324john_324 Posts: 974
    "before this turned into "I hate Hyundai, You love Hyundai." That's got to be a new record."

    Yeah, what's up with that?

    I guess I'm weird, since I have no strong feelings about them one way or the other.

    But I'll add another car to my list:

    - GMC Yukon Denali

    The closest SUV to the Simpsons' "Canyonero F (for "Female") Series" out there..."see Homer, instead of a cigarette lighter, it has a lipstick holder..."
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 15,338
    Remember reputation is mostly perception and in many cases perception is not based on reality. My sister who takes her Toyota into the shop for non-routine stuff maybe three times a year talks about how reliable her car is, when its really not so.

    I am truly convinced that if every Honda and Toyota fell to pieces two blocks from the dealer people would still be proclaiming how great they are. Its a cult type mentality.

    Most people who actually buy Hyundais stand by them and would buy another. That does say something.

    FWIW I know two Hyundai owners who used to have Toyotas that will not even look at toyotas due to the engine sludge problem.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 15,338
    I didn't buy the car because it was cheap, I bought an inexpensive car that everyone that I talked to that owned on was raving about. I bought a car that even back then everyone was proclaiming had really increased their quality. Being inexpensive did not sell me, what sold me is what people, especially those who drove the same car, were saying about it.

    You see if I am interested in a car and I see someone at the gas station filling one up or lading something into it in the parking lot I ask them about it. These people raved about their cars so I took a chance. So far (130k miles) it has proven the correct choice as I put zero dollars into it other than routine maintience. My sister cannot say that for any of the toyotas she has had.

    Will I buy another? Maybe, maybe not but I will have the Sonata on my short list for sure.

    I have done my research and I stand by my statement that they make cars as well as anyone else even the Japanese. If you do your research you will find that others say the same.

    2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,496
    is simply that too many words in the English language have more than one meaning. For instance, "cheap", can mean low price, shoddy construction, low perception, low content, etc.

    So I'd call a Hyundai a cheap car, but I wouldn't intend it as an insult. It is a low-priced car, so it does fit in that sense. As for shoddy construction, I dunno...I don't think I've seen a crappily put-together Hyundai/Kia in some time now. At least, looking at them new they seem okay. I see used ones that have been torn to hell, but I blame that on the owner and the way the car was treated moreso than how it was built. Low perception? Well, I wouldn't be ashamed of one, but I realize that others might be. If I like a car enough, I'm not going to care what others say about it. And low content? Definitely not in this case...usually Hyundais and Kias pack an awful lot of content and features into their cars for their given price point.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    I guess you don't care about posting credible statements.

    "Most people who actually buy Hyundais stand by them and would buy another."

    My bother-in-law sells Toyotas and he would beg to differ with you on that one. He deals with customers every day who bring in their Korean vehicles (to include Hyundais) and can't wait to get rid of them because they absolutely hate them. On the other hand, he deals with many, many happy repeat Toyota owners.

    Also, I'm not talking about perception, I'm talking about facts. FACT: Honda and Toyota has produced the most reliable vehicles over the last 20 years, not the Koreans. FACT: The Koreans were producing some of the most UNRELIABLE cars on the road as little as 5-10 years ago. FACT: while the Koreans have improve the quality of their vehicles, they have not achieved the same level of build quality as that of the best Japanese companies. It's possible they may never get there.

    Keep making your ridiculous claims if you so desire.
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