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morgan
Regardless it's a lot cheaper
Rocky
Rocky
morgan
I did buy a 96' Dodge Ram a couple of summers ago. I think we've put 5-6K on it. I do like dodges but this truck sure has nickled and dime us to death. Hopefully once it gets all the way fixed I will not have to worry about fixing it again it for a long-time.
Rocky
Huh?
You know, if that company was as perfect as GM worshippers try to imply with their anecdota reports of perfect machinery, why are they in so much trouble? As Toyota keeps creeping forward, GM will have their hardcore buyers...for a while.
Dusty
Where is Dodge at now ? What 5th when they use to be #3 less than a decade ago. :surprise: If this keeps up Hyundai and Nissan will make them 8th :P
#1 GM
#2 Toyota
#3 Ford
#4 Honda
#5 DCX
Rocky
Why is sales position seem so important to Chevy truck lovers?
"I guess all vehicles will rus if one never washes them. Maybe the story's of the Chevy's rusting is one where the owner never washed it ? Obviously the Dodges are getting a few more baths but that won't help when the body's panels are falling off."
Ya know, that must explain it! All those rusty Chevies got poor treatment. Yes, that's it! Those darn ole Dodge, Ford, and Toyota owners must be out there at midnight every night washing all that salt and grud off.
Something tells me that this paltry theory won't work the other way 'round to explain any faults with a Dodge, Ford, Toyota, Nissan or any other truck, for that matter.
Reclaimed spam cans rust too.
Rocky
Toyota's are the WORST when it comes to rust, ok, maybe Honda's are a little worse, but not much. Dodge's aren't anything to brag about either. Here in Minnesota, I see ALOT more rusty Dodge's than either Ford or GM. Dodge's top priority is making "Pretty" vehicles, not quality ones.
ie: I looked at a co-workers new Dodge a few years back and I noticed that the wheel well above the front tire was nicely coated with a black coating. Looked very nice!! Then I stuck my head in there (because the wheel wells are cavernous) and noticed they ONLY sprayed the area that is visible above the tire. The entire area behind the tire was completely BARE!!! It's like they did it with the tires on. Why? to save a little material? What a JOKE!!!
Boy that big girl pulls the 11500 lb camper nice.. Try hooking up a Nissan or Toy truck to it and lets have some fun..
It was funny but a month ago I was driving without the camper ... just cruising along at 65mph on I 40 and here comes a Toy truck pulling a silver Airstream.. it came up behind me and passed and all of a sudden I started passing it on the right ... the LITTE BITTY hill had stopped it... the wife wanted to know why I was passing on the right but all I was doing was cruising with the cruise on... 65mph and steady... but not the toy truck... WAKE up America... toys are for kids!!
"GM treats there sheetmetal (dipping, galvanized box panels, etc) and the other's don't."
While you're practicing your typical Chevy moral superiority and condescending attitude you will find that you are categorically and totally incorrect that other truck manufacturers don't treat their steel. They do. Dodge uses differentially coated sheet metal on all surfaces. Rocker panels, box inner panels and floor are galvanized (Chrysler was the first to do this in 1960, by the way) and body panels are phosphate treated, primer dipped and color coat dipped. Ford's process is similar except for color coat dipping.
Did anyone ever figure out why Ziebart went out of business. They told me... Chevy's are DIPPED JUST LIKE THE GUY SAID.
bY the way, dusty didn't say that chevies weren't dipped, he just said that other trucks are too.
morgan
So, you are the arrogant one, not me.
I have lived in San Diego for 35 years and have owned a Chevy of one sort or another for all of that time. I have a 15 year old Astro Van with not a single bit of rust on any body panel. The issue of salt exposure near the beach is a factor of the ocean spray/mist that works its way into every crany , the complete car inside and out. If you are one mile from the beach and leave your car out overnight, the car is covered with a salty film, yet with chevys... no rust!
The main issue here is with the salt exposure the other important factor is temperature. The warmer it is , the faster rust will occur when salt is present. In an area where it is 32 degrees, the chemical reaction does not react as quickly as it does at 60 or 70 degrees, thus a higher incident of rust " at the beach ". The final analysis is : If you knock a mans truck, your knocking him... better knock his wife , he's less likely toget p.o.'ed. To each his own, I like Chevys the other guy may not... enjoy what you like.
Chromedome
It's anecdotal, folks... so let's put away the "arrogant" comments.
kcram - Pickups Host
Regardless of who makes the truck pushing your big hood emblem around, salt is salt, and road deicers are road deicers, and will eventually eat them all. What matters most is in how you take care of your ride prior to and after a winter mess that's left on the roads. You can also count on how your body parts were stamped and what the humidity level was during the painting process of the metals that make up your big expensive grill emblem pushers. It all effects the life of your ride. Those are the facts.
:shades:
I do 75% hwy and tow a trailer occasionally. Fuel mileage is of concern. My last 98 Ram w/5.9L got around 15 mpg and looking to improve on that even if it means going with the lower hp v8 engine. I'm looking for any quality/warranty problems and mileage feed back to help make a decision.
Dodge is offering $5000 cash back until end of month. Hard to pass up, have to make a decision soon.
That being said, they should be. As a previous fleet manager I have thought for years that the GM light duty pickups were the most over rated trucks on the market. Reliability has been down right poor in the past and GM has usually been the toughest to get relieve from in warranty cases. Things are different now and GM needs to make friends. Maybe they've improved design and quality. I think its way too early to tell, but one of our GM techs have already commented about 4L70E and 4L80E transmission problems.
The full-size Dodge RAM has been a sturdy and reliable performer for my company, especially in the last few years. We've had no engine, transmission, or drive train issues. In fact, no major issues at all which is remarkable when you have 44 of them. The 2002-2004s seemed to have more electrical problems, but our recent purchases are absent any problems in this area. The 4.7 engine is bullet proof and so is the new 6-speed 545RFE transmission.
In actual practice I think you'll find that the fuel consumption between the 4.7 and the 5.7 Hemi in a four-wheel drive might be negligible. This, of course, is all very dependent on how you drive. I do think that both the 4.7 and 5.7 will give you better gas mileage than the old LA360 (5.9) and a careful driver will probably realize slightly better MPG with the 4.7.
Good luck and best regards,
Dusty
i need before we oder anther truck
kcram - Pickups Host
the interiors are nice but still not as good as some others
but they have loads of power
they beat gm and ford to a pulp
:lemon:
i think Cummins nose some thing about egines becuase i saw one in a pete the other day and it was hualing
:shades:
Anyhow, several weeks ago I took my truck, an 07 SLT 4.7 4X2 short bed 16K miles to the car wash. After every wash I normally wipe the truck down with a new microfiber towel top to bottom. The last time I washed the truck, I noticed an orangy/yellowy substance on the center section of the passenger door. Since I bought the truck last March, I've taken to long trips with it to PA and NC. I though maybe some time during one of those trips I might have accidently driven over some yellow paint or something when there was some road remarking going on. I looked around the truck some more and didn't really find any of the material any place else. Well, seeing as it was on the surface (lots of it) I decided to see if it would scrape off and a few of the tiny bits did. I didn't want to believe what it was then as I don't want to believe what it is now.. but sadly, the truth is, the material oozing out of pinhole size nooks in my paint is rust, and it's gotten worse since. I thought it was isolated to the passenger door, and did some more looking around.. sure enuff.. I'm finding the same problem on the hood, the drivers door, the tailgate, and both sides of the bed. My truck is brite white and now it's got acne. Has anybody else had this problem and what has Chrysler done about it? it seems to me that just sanding the panels down and repainting them is just going to result in it happening again later down the road, since once metal starts to rust, it's pretty much a death sentence for it. When I bought the truck a year ago, I intended on keeping it for five to ten years because that's the kind of life expectancy I was counting on. at this rate the body is going to look like swiss cheese by next year if it's not fixed.
Althought these pictures are not from my truck. this is exactly what I'm seeing on my body panels (nice litte kick in the ribs for the Tundra owners to)
http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-problems-dealer-service/62928-more-rust.- html
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=115662
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