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Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra vs Dodge Ram
Which one would you drive and why?
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The Ford will soon be left all by it's lonesome when the '07 Chevy's and Toyota's hit the seen late next year and Ford hasn't made any clear plans to fully revise the F-150 except for added trim changes. The Ford is a good pick-up for what it is, but to say it's superior to the Dodge, what an overstatement. And to add all of the quality issues that have plagued the F-150 as of late, it doesn't purport to be the it truck after all.
I recently bought a '06 2500 HD Megacab 4x4 /CTD and it will swallow a F-250 whole. Word is out Ford is preparing an extended version of the Super Duty to compete with the awesome limo-of-a-truck Megacab. Who's following the leader now????
Stick with the silverado. Best engine choices along with the rugged Duramax deisel and Allison transmisson which is a down scaled version from Allison's military branch. The long and short is Dodge is a solid truck, Fords a solid truck for way tall guys and Chevy solid regardless. Stick with GM. There only getting better in 2007.
Being "#1" doesn't make it the best truck out there. Maybe that's why Ford is in the tank now on the brink of bankruptcy because it is doing "everything it can" to make sure the F-Series trucks remain there(leaving behind in the dust it's undesirable car units, except for the Mustang).
And you mentioned torque is what's important in towing. The Dodge has 375ft-lbs of it, the Nissan four better at 379.
The facts that you posted are true and direct(save about the frame statements, read up on the '06 Dodge frame revisions), however to make these facts appear that the Ford is superior over all others is just blasphermous. The Ford may have all of the trinkets in it's parts arsenal, what matters is how they are used. Judging by the latest of the usual Fix Or Repair Daily problems and quality issues, it appears that the Ford is still Built FORD "tough". (Toby Keith, how funny is that for a campaign ad)
Chevy may take over the throne for #1 truck.
It may be #1(in sales of course :P), but it's still Found On the Road Daily. Aplenty of them. The Ford is a nice piece, but when you take into consideration all of the quality probs on a truck that's just 2 years old, something is severely wrong
Your right, Ford is Found on the Roadside Daily( Broked down )
The F-150 without one recall, well that explains all of the quality problems that it's experiencing.
HOW'S THAT FOR FACTS!!!
The Titan is 1 second faster thatn the Ford 0-60, Runs quarter mile shorter and faster than the ford, tows 1200lbs more when properly equipped than the ford and averages the same mileage according to CR. Motortrend says that the Titan saves an average of $1000! The Titan has a bigger engine engine, beds down where you ca use it and did I fail to mention the Titan brakes to a stop from 60mph 10 feet shorter distanse than the ford.
Try arguing with those facts
I dunno whats the better truck? :confuse:
I dunno about you but the Ford F-150 is like the truck on the Mitsubishi Radier Commercal. It wet it fuel pump :P
My father was a Ford nut up until his '05 King Ranch 4X4 Supercrew EXPLODED on him a few months ago. The truck had only 678 miles on it at the time of lost. And yes, this is NOT an isolated incident, so your recall-less F-150 may indeed fire up on you. The sticker on the truck was $41,586.34. After a host of Ford "entrapments" and other FMCC discounts, his out the door price was $26.5K. So yes, Ford even beats GM in trapping people in their cantankerous vehicles.
So the long and short of it is he is a proud owner of a '06 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 w/HEMI(of course), and vows never to return to Ford(whoa, big shocker)
More facts for you. Since you're a fact man, check out the top 2 professional reviewers (J.D. Powers and Wards), and tell me what pick-ups are in the top, including their powertrains. I'll give you a clue: It sure as heck is not Ford!
BTW, Ford F-150 is the proud owner of the JD Power award for Initial Quality. The proof is in the construction. The more you know about trucks, the more you know that Ford is the one and only.
http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f150/truth/index.asp?id=frame&bannerid=FV1000- 4
There you will find the truth. They have video proof about what I am saying. Pay special attention to the videos about the frame, suspension and handling. Below the videos, they point out in bullet point format the key advantages of Ford over the competition. This has gotten crazy. Yes, I did graduate from the University of Georgia in 1991 and I need to act like it. Have a good day.
The TRUTH, Ford ought to be demolished for slandering these great pick-ups.
The reality here is that there is NO Ford activity here in Town Hall. I'm even trying to have active discussion in the Honda Ridgeline thread--of all places--simnply because they maintain regular conversation. Besides, it's fun to point out Ford virtues to folks who choose to ignore fact for personal preferance.
Maybe that goes along with that Ford biasing video, no matter what you, Toby, or any other Ford guy says. Those are facts Georgia.
P.S.- You may have a better chance at selling your PowerJoke Ford hype over at the Ford threads, as this was a Chevy v.Dodge thread to start. But wait a minute. All of the Ford guys are talking about all of the quality and tranny problems they are experiencing. Just a couple more facts.:P :shades:
I started this on the Titan because Uga claimed it was the inferior truck. But as I've learned from his higher knowledge is that anything that the F-150 is not number one in is not important, so :confuse:
Chevy is still the best and the 2007s are gonna make the Ford mess in its filters and that is a fact!
I am 14, but I just assumed yawll had experience with cars before yawll became adults, missed an awesome experience.
I don't know why there is not more Ford chatter in Town Hall. If you check, the Problems thread for Dodge is much larger than the one for Ford. I guess everyone in a Ford is too busy working with their trucks to spend time writing about them.
I know another reason that Yawll( uga91 ) like the F-150 so much. All of your facts are based on Ford.com. Guess who does ford.com...Ford!! Do you think Ford wants to make there truck look bad on there own website? Is an unbiased look at there products. I rarely if ever go to Chevy.com in search of info, because its biased. Also, stuff like JD Power is easily paid off by the maker who wants free abvertising. If JD Power reccomends Ford, Dodge or Chevy, its that much more abvertising for that maker so a little cash does flow behind the scenes.
I know I'm keeping you from your repair work on yawlls F-150s so I better go.
I'm not going to be a Ford buyer, you're not going to be a Chevy or Dodge buyer. That is understood and I respect that. But don't trounce every other truck in the market because it doesn't behave like a Ford.
Honest to Goodness, my Ram rides comfortably, tows 9500 pounds without a sweat(ok maybe gas), has gadgets galore, and has the style and attitude to dance with the best of them. I couldn't fathom the thought of buying anything else. Love what you buy.
The use of a larger oil filter does not mean a lot. What matters is capacity and efficiency. Can you prove that the oil filter on a Ford is either just because its bigger?
In the case of the larger radiator it may actually point to a negative aspect. All manufacturers design engine/power systems to operate within a design temperature range under all of the envisioned conditions the vehicle might encounter. The fact that a radiator is larger on one vehicle may indicate that the engine runs hotter and must transfer more heat per gallon of flow than another.
I think you're making the assumption that Ford has provided a larger operating margin in this case, but there is no empirical evidence to support that. In addition engineers need to ensure that an engine comes up to temperature as quickly as possible, not only to meet emissions but also to increase combustion efficiency. Larger radiators on cars and trucks cannot do that as well and usually indicate a higher generation of BTU loss. That is a design negative, not a positive,
As far as frame strength goes, the previous Ford and Dodge half-ton truck platforms were both good. The Dodge had a higher torsional bending limit and the F-series a higher lateral bending limit. Older GMs were pretty weak in both areas, but newer versions of all three are extremely stiffer than before.
In the absence of giving us the measured test results the claim that the Ford frame is superior is lacking evidence in the numbers that seem to be the theme of your "Ford is superior" claim.
I think you'll find that the Chevy, Dodge, and Ford are very close. A difference of 50 pounds in torsional or lateral bending resistance is totally insignificant, nor can it yield any practical advantage.
By the way, the Dodge received frame revision from '05 to '06 and is reportedly the most rigid truck platform in the light duty pick up market.
As a former manager of a large national fleet of vehicles...including LD trucks..I think Ford made a pretty good truck -- up until the '05 model. Since introduction the "new" F-series as been a maintenance and repair disappointment, especially in light of the fact that previous years were actually pretty good
Dusty
" Among this field of five-, six- and eight-cylinder competitors, the Mark LT had the slowest 0-60 times of the bunch, although midrange power and passing abilities are fine. It's tuned for smooth highway driving. Unfortunately, the Mark LT hasd trouble keeping composed, evidencing axle-hop and front-end wonder on rougher pavement and rutted dirt-road streches."
So, I'd be careful to say that the general truck buyer thinks Ford is superior to every other truck.
MT mite look down on the F-150, but not that bed :P :P
I read that they "liked" the F-150. I wouldn't call a truck that the gearshift has to be taped in order to change gears "durable". This is not praise. A few months back, the praised the long-term 2500 Ram, calling it the best workhorse in the class. So to say the least, the Ford is not superior or best at everything. You might want to re-read Dusty's posting of the Ram v. Ford.
P.S. I was not talking about the MegaCab Ram, just the 1500. At last check tho, a fully equipped F-350 runs near 60K when laden with POWERJOKE. So the FACTS are still valid.
POWERJOKE( thats good )
Whats important is not to find a "best truck", but a best truck for you and your needs.
With regard to Dodge vs. Chevy half tons, I think we can all agree that the Dodge has a better frame, less car like suspension, lower resale, and fewer options. Do you want to work or play?
With regard to Dodge vs. Ford, I am impressed by the items you list in your original post, but have a couple of thoughts. Clearly, the F150 interior is a full generation ahead of Dodge. Proof? Lets make a supposed unfair comparison. Rather than compare the SLT vs XLT , compare the supposedly more upscale Dodge Laramie with the very common XLT. The Ford's center stack, ergonomics, etc. are far preferable. Both manufacturer's though force you to pay about 3K for a optional package (e.g., the SLT or XLT package) if you want power windows and locks. You can't get PWDLs separately as an option. I don't know about you, but I can't easily reach over to the passenger door and wind down the window if I want directions. In 2006, power door locks are almost a required personal safety feature. I resent that they are not offered as a stand alone option. I happen to like the Ford exterior styling better because I don't identify with class 8 truck drivers and don't need to imagine that I am driving a Peterbilt. I think that the Ford's deep bed is a good thing if you are going to haul anything.
But what is a deal killer for me is Ford's persistent problem on the F150 with drive line vibrations. They apparently can't be cured. Gee, who wants to spend 30K or so on a new pickup with a gorgeous interior, great bed, and then have a vibration problem? While the F250 isn't plagued by this, I don't need nor want a 3/4 ton truck.
Net/Net: sign me up for a Dodge 1500 in shadow grey.
The Cummins has 325hp and 610lb-ft of torque. The Duramax has 300hp and 620lb-ft of torque. They are virtually about the same, power wise. However, the Cummins has a long track record for durability and longevity, whereas the Duramax has had aplenty of problems, most notable turbine failure, which destroy's the engine. But they both are whole-heartedly more durable and powerful than the 525lb-ft POWERJOKE.
BTW, the Dodge that MT was referring to had a HEMI, and that's why it was named "workhorse of the class" because it's more powerful than both of the 8.1L big-block Chevy and the 6.8L V-10 Ford.
Incidentally, I have the idea that you could pick up a used Ford F250 with the V10 real cheap because of the perceived gas mileage and that it isn't a diesel. This might be a steal: decent power without the hassles and expense of a diesel. (To me it makes absolutly no sense to pop an extra 5K for something with a mixed reliability and maintenance track record and maybe no payback. If you want to drive a diesel, call Roadway.)
So to some it up, the 8.1L and Ford 6.8L would be ideal for heavy towing because of their low-end torque, which moves the weight more easily. But for a light duty bound mover, the HEMI would be the best choice as you'd save a ton on your gas bill and it is more at home just cruising whereas the others are built to behave better laden with weight.
As far as diesels go, the Big Three have made available some of the most modern and everyday usable diesels around. Thanks to something called common-rail fuel delivery, there is no more of that clank-clank-clank-clank that was associated with diesels of yester-year. I praise Cummins, Duramax(Isuzu), and Powerstroke(International) for the quietness(for a diesel). And with this latest technology infused within the engines comes longer service intervals and much improved longevity. On my previous '98 2500 CTD 4X4, I got 312,000 miles before the first major overhaul, way pass the manufacturer's estimate. And even then it wasn't anything wrong with motor, it was that the turbo finally pooped out after millions of rotations. At idle on my new MegaCab, before I put the Banks exhaust upgrade on it among other goodies, the truck was just a little more audible than a standard gasoline motor. And with the upcoming Tier 2 emissions regulations of '08, these engines are sure to be as clean and quiet as gas motors.
Duramax best deseil there is.
OK, how many Duramax engines are used in severe duty industrial or marine applications? Go to any job site today and half the construction equipment is running B Series Cummins. Go to ME and 25% of the lobster boats are running B Series. None of the above use Duramax. None.
Hate to break it to you, but the Isuzu-built Duramax is not the best out there. Durability, longevity, and power are the main reasons people buy diesels. The Duramax has failed miserably on all counts, especially durability. Turbine failure at 40,000 miles is not only good for a gas motor, but down right horrific for a TD.