Eh, I never saw 44 MPG (wouldn't THAT be nice)... just 41 MPG once, 40 MPG once, and the rest of the highway stretches average around 38 MPG when I'm not trying to make max mileage.
I was going to say that the accord weighs less but then the altima weighs about 100lbs less.
The Accord does weigh a good deal less than the new Altima - it was still a compact in 1994 remember.
If he can exceed his mileage numbers in the Accord by 4 MPG, who's to say he can't do it in the Altima?
Oh, i was comparing the weight of the 6cyl altima and accord worth automatics. completely opposite of whats being said...
I add a topic into this room as well. Powertrains
This is my dilemma: Honda has one 45cyl and of course it may get tweaked but will get added unless honda makes a less fuel efficient 2.5l. Should be coupled with a 5speed auto and 6speed manual like the altima and camry (minus cvt of course in altima)
Honda also has 4 6cyl engines to use: A 244hp 3lin the current car a 258hp 3.2l used in current tl, a 280-290 hp 3.5l used in 07 tl-s and rl and a 300hp 3.7l used in 07 MDX)
Hondas best and most practical for us would be the 3.2l. Yeah its a little under the passat, camry, & altima, but it is still very fuel efficient. If honda tweaks it to a full 260hp(SAE), combines it with a 6speed auto(sport shift) and 6 speed manual (or developes a new DSG but thats getting rediculous in a midsize "family hauler").
So to sum it up, a 260hp accord sedan with a 6speed auto sounds good to me. Of course they should call the coupe the prelude and give it ATTS (Active torque transfer system) like back in the day and this honda will be a big hit also.
Lets bring up the whole diesel/hybrid (or both) up later. Just hopefully if there is a hybrid, it should be a 4cyl.
-Cj Any thoughts? Did i pick the optimum powertrain that will satisfy the majority of us? :shades:
Honda's gotta lotta catchin' up ta do. I know most of you guys are diehard honda fans, but the truth is, this new altima is killing the Accord. It's so much nicer, and sportier. and the new coupe will look nice too.
remember, you are comparing a 5(2003-2007)year old car to a new 2007 model. The accord is still holding its own against its competition and i admit, nissan (my 3rd favorite automaker)is giving honda and toyota (1st and second respectivly) a run for their money. Soon there will be a new accord on the block and the race will begin again. A hybrid, sedan, and coupe big 3 from across the sea comparision will be tough to grade.
Honda's gotta lotta catchin' up ta do. I know most of you guys are diehard honda fans, but the truth is, this new altima is killing the Accord. It's so much nicer, and sportier. and the new coupe will look nice too.
Sounds like what I heard five years ago... Altima is nice, but it's interior is still not up to Honda quality/tactile standards for me. Gotta remember, the heart of the market isn't necessarily after a family car that's sportier (I'll remind ya that Camry is number 1 in sales - and it's no sports car). And yeah, I drive an Accord, but I had no real ties to Honda since this 2006 was my first new car.
The 07 Accord SE (4 cyl) beat out five or six newer designs including Camry to win a comparison test in the Feb 07 issue of the magazine.
Amazing - when you consider this vehicle is in the last year of its cycle.
I'd have to image the '08 Accord will feature
- at least the same horsepower from the two engines; - at least a 5-speed auto with both engines (6-auto?); - traction and stability control in the 4-cyl models; - better mileage for both engines; - iPod-friendly radios; - even better interior features!!
So what will the CAR & DRIVER comparison be like next year, when the new '08 Accord goes up against these same cars... that the '07 beat?
-an automanual transmission (5 or 6 speed) -A diesel -A hybrid with a 4 cyl engine -more trunk space -the current tl's 258hp 3.2l v6(same gas mileage) -and that it would get here soon!!
Oh and a red interior choice or brown interior choice or 2tone seats like mercury's Primer models! There are far too many Grays, Black, And beige/gold interiors out.
I like BMW's red leather seats in a black car! Especially a 330CI convertible!!
I'm not nearly as demanding as most of you guys. I just want the diesel and a trickle down of some ex features to the lx. I expect honda to have some small surprises, otherwise.
"Honda's gotta lotta catchin' up ta do. I know most of you guys are diehard honda fans, but the truth is, this new altima is killing the Accord. It's so much nicer, and sportier. and the new coupe will look nice too."
Altima's not killing Accord. I think Nissan is still selling 06 Altima's and some 07 Altima's. The 07 Altima uses a little better interior plastics than the 06. I agree though Honda has catching up to with the Accord on the exterior styling end in my opinion anyway.
No the center picture you have in your post I think is the 08 Accord Coupe concept because thats the sane picture in my local nerwspaper of the 08 Accord Coupe concept.
You say too spoty for the lovale Accord?Honda can't go so conservative on their styling because Mazda and Nissan have been snatching younger buyers away from Honda in the past few years. Honda went way conservative on the current Accord styling and it killed their sales of the Accord in my opinion. Honda is being smart on snapping onto current exterior styling trends in my opinion.
I know its the accord coupe concept. But just like people who were celebrating the fact that the sports4 concept was going to be the accord sedan (i was one of them). It is the accord. The Euro accord aka Acura Tsx here. I won't be surprised if that accord coupe concept is also for the euro version. I mean the lines of the exterior match up and extend so flowingly with the cl that you can't help but be a little suspicious.
I just looked at the Altima. Okay if you don't want any options. A $6,400 navigation option? For the car that I would want the Altima is $4,000 more than an Accord both without navigation. It would be $8,000 more with navigation.
Maybe the Altima should be compared with the Acura TL?
And some warm and fuzzy words about what the accord will be like:
"The all-new 2008 Accord will arrive in dealerships this Fall - and while it is too early to disclose many details, I can tell you that it will serve as a clear expression of Honda's clean, safe, and fun brand values. The 2008 Accord will come to market with the next generation of Honda's Variable Cylinder Management technology for a significant improvement in real world fuel economy. Additionally, the 2008 Accord also will feature something none of its competitors can boast ... the next application of Honda's Advanced Compatibility Engineering- or ACE - body structure. This means that approximately 90 percent of Honda cars sold in the U.S. will feature this unique, important and industry-leading technology. This is another one of those technologies we hope the entire industry will follow. Of course, what has put Accord on the 10-best list for more than two decades... is the fact that it has always been fun. And this vehicle is no exception... making the same quantum leap forward that the all new Civic did last year... With Fun in terms of bold new styling... Fun in terms of offering a sporty coupe variant.... And fun in terms of offering the driver a rewarding, engaging, and exhilarating driving experience. The next generation model promises to elevate the Accord driving experience to an even higher level. Viewed together... the elegant combination of these attributes--along with the refinement, quality and low cost of ownership that defines Accord ... is again what will make it an industry benchmark. It's therefore our intention to bring the next generation Accord to market as the boldest ... roomiest ... most refined ... and most exhilarating car in the segment. Indeed, a new benchmark. As we get closer to the launch ... more details will become available. But with a powerful stance, long hood, deeply sculpted lower body, and a fast roofline, we think what you see here today represents a bold new styling direction for the entire Accord
The CVT is a big strike on the Altima... its a nice idea, but its not the same as an auto. The day they put the CVT as the standard on the Infiniti cars, then maybe the CVT has come of age, but for now, the lack of an auto option limits the Altima's appeal.
I think you'll see the 3.2L, not the 3.5L. It would be odd for Honda to spec out their Accord beyond what a TL comes with. I'd guess the ~260 hp 3.2L from the current base model TL.
-Cj NOTE: I'M TYPING IN CAPS FOR THE EMPHASIS! ------------------------------------------------------- Outside the US Honda sells the Civic, Euro Accord, and CR-V with the CTD-i. Why does Honda keep saying it will bring its diesels to the US within three years. If Honda's new emission technology works as claimed and can meet the US Tier 2 Bin 5 standard they can and should bring a diesel to the US market in 2008. I'll be the first in line to buy an Accord or CR-V with a diesel.
Honda will then upgrade the TL also. I vote 3.5 Avtec with Vcm. The US diesel is a 2.4 not the 2.2 from uk. Honda just can't get it ready for the 2008 my as we all would like. It had to be larger for the US market because most will be autos not manual.
A bit of Tiburon styling. Looks good. Tiburon pre-2007 had some really good stylin' going on there. Do not look at the '07 = ouch! This new Accord Coupe should look very nice, as was the 2006 Tiburon. -Loren
No headroom or leg-room in the rear seat, then I am not interested.
While, I like the styling of the Accord coupe, and the potential for it to perform as good, if not better than the Altima Coupe (hope handling is better), if I can't put my parents back there when they visit me on those rare occasions, then the car is a deal breaker.
I think the industry leading (Honda, Toyota, Nissan) four door sedans are all going that way. When you think about it, the '07 Accord represents perhaps the last time a prudent buyer will get one of these sedans (well-equipped) in a V6 with a OTD price tag that is closer to 20K than 30K. That's the real problem for me. I want the new bells and whistles (bluetooth, mp3, etc) but the price tag....ouch!
Honda, Toyota, and Nissan can not price these cars too close to their premiums - (TL, IS/ES, and G35) or else they will siphon sales away from those cars.
Though the premiums are going up in price, I have noticed!
That's just it. More than likely the premiums will climb into the mid 30's. Look at the '07 Altima & Camry = price a well equipped V6 Altima SE/SL or Camry SE/XLE: MSRP's are near or slightly above 30K. People are paying it, otherwise they wouldn't be building them at these prices.
But you can buy a RWD Chrysler 300 for $28K and a CTS for $31K before discounting. Seems like a lot to pay for FWD sedan. I am thinking the $20K+ to $24K+ pricing on the Aura is about right mid to larger FWD sedans. I did see a new Camry V6 base model for $24K, with the plastic hub caps. As for Accords with a V6, I have yet to see a base one on the lot. And getting them to budge on pricing is not easy. The new Accord Coupe is going to have a lot of style no doubt, but I am wondering how much it will take to park one at home? Going by Consumers Guide, it would appear that Honda repairs cost more than say a Toyota Camry, using their site data for typical costs going back a year or so model years. Would like to cross reference it with other data though. I saw something at the library one time, but I can not recall the source. It had lots of typical repair costs, or parts costs.
The New Accord, if it is like the show one, will be pretty hot. Hope pricing stays down to earth. They are nice engined, tight assembled, good handling, durable, and sometimes even stylish cars. The competition is not standing still though. There are so many alternatives, but Honda, realizes the heat is on and is responding with product. Styling for 2008 models seems to be on track, so Honda fans may indeed have yet another winner. Looks like Altima is ready to challenge, as is Saturn and even a little company called Ford, with its Fusion. Yeah, I suppose Honda is less concerned about the latter. -Loren
This summer might be a good time to get a fire-sale price on an Accord...
Other than that I'm really excited to see what the 2008 Accord looks like, and judging from how the current car can still beat the Aura, Optima, and Altima, the new one will probably blow them all away
You may be correct as to the Aura or Optima, but suggesting the current generation Accord is superior to the latest generation Altima is a hard sell. But no doubt the new Accord will certainly be on par if not better than the current competition.
Car and Driver just did a sedan comparo, and the Accord won, I think that's what jchan2 was referring to. and I'm not usrprised with the results either.
I just went on the Altima website, and you just cant get a 4 cyl with a manual transmission except in a stripper. Go into Honda, and you can get the manual tranny with a 4 speed in any trim you want. And the Accord is rock solid, well appointed, durable as can be, and holds its value. To me, the Altima has nothing I want because I would be forced to go bottom of the line in trim, or get stuck with a CVT.
Car and Driver places a good deal of emphasis on vehicles' handling and fun-to-drive factor. These are two things that the Camry doesn't exactly deliver in "LE" Guise, which is what was tested in that Car and Driver comparo..
Motor Trend's Car of the Year compeition is more rounded, and includes factors such as the new vehicle's significance to the market (which the Camry Hybrid certainly has in droves), as well as value within it's class.
I'm not really arguing, just clearing some things up with these two tests that some people may not realize.
Exactly the reason I went with an EXL 5 speed. Why is it that those manufacturers that offer stick shifts (and they are dwindling), think that only bargain shoppers are looking for them? I wasn't looking for a stick shift to save money, I'm looking for fun. Wanting a fun and well equipped car are not mutually exclusive.
Besides everything else said by thegraduate above, MT's criteria doesn't involve competitors the way a typical comparison does (and in this case C&D's). MT considers only the new/redesigned entries.
Coincidentally, Camry lost to Aura for the North American Car of the Year award. In fact, it was beated by even Honda Fit which, as we know, has really existed in its current form for six years (and it actually garnered twice as many votes as Camry did).
and hopefully with the 3.2l v6 comes some type of awd, atts, or torque distributor to decrease torque steer.Thats what the tl suffers from the most unfortunatly. Yeah you can learn to live with it but why when you don't have to.
Also with the cabriolet (4 seat convertibles) sales increasing and the opposite of coupes, honda should make this accord a hard top convertible. With no solara to get toyota's sales up, its perfect for the accord with only the eos and g6 taking sales. Its a good segment for honda. Plus with these good looks, great reliability, and dollar value, honda has this all to itself! If only they would do it...
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I was going to say that the accord weighs less but then the altima weighs about 100lbs less.
The Accord does weigh a good deal less than the new Altima - it was still a compact in 1994 remember.
If he can exceed his mileage numbers in the Accord by 4 MPG, who's to say he can't do it in the Altima?
I add a topic into this room as well. Powertrains
This is my dilemma:
Honda has one 45cyl and of course it may get tweaked but will get added unless honda makes a less fuel efficient 2.5l. Should be coupled with a 5speed auto and 6speed manual like the altima and camry (minus cvt of course in altima)
Honda also has 4 6cyl engines to use:
A 244hp 3lin the current car
a 258hp 3.2l used in current tl,
a 280-290 hp 3.5l used in 07 tl-s and rl
and a 300hp 3.7l used in 07 MDX)
Hondas best and most practical for us would be the 3.2l. Yeah its a little under the passat, camry, & altima, but it is still very fuel efficient. If honda tweaks it to a full 260hp(SAE), combines it with a 6speed auto(sport shift) and 6 speed manual (or developes a new DSG but thats getting rediculous in a midsize "family hauler").
So to sum it up, a 260hp accord sedan with a 6speed auto sounds good to me. Of course they should call the coupe the prelude and give it ATTS (Active torque transfer system) like back in the day and this honda will be a big hit also.
Lets bring up the whole diesel/hybrid (or both) up later. Just hopefully if there is a hybrid, it should be a 4cyl.
-Cj
-Cj
Sounds like what I heard five years ago... Altima is nice, but it's interior is still not up to Honda quality/tactile standards for me. Gotta remember, the heart of the market isn't necessarily after a family car that's sportier (I'll remind ya that Camry is number 1 in sales - and it's no sports car). And yeah, I drive an Accord, but I had no real ties to Honda since this 2006 was my first new car.
You mean they haven't fixed the fire issue with the burning Altimas yet?
The 07 Accord SE (4 cyl) beat out five or six newer designs including Camry to win a comparison test in the Feb 07 issue of the magazine.
Amazing - when you consider this vehicle is in the last year of its cycle.
I'd have to image the '08 Accord will feature
- at least the same horsepower from the two engines;
- at least a 5-speed auto with both engines (6-auto?);
- traction and stability control in the 4-cyl models;
- better mileage for both engines;
- iPod-friendly radios;
- even better interior features!!
So what will the CAR & DRIVER comparison be like next year, when the new '08 Accord goes up against these same cars... that the '07 beat?
My 2 wishes for the '08 Accord: dramatically reduced road noise & improved suspension road shock.
If these two issues were resolved - the Accord would not have any competitors for miles.
I'm not sure Honda will ever address these complaints even though they are the most common (CR agrees).
-an automanual transmission (5 or 6 speed)
-A diesel
-A hybrid with a 4 cyl engine
-more trunk space
-the current tl's 258hp 3.2l v6(same gas mileage)
-and that it would get here soon!!
~*~*~*~HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!~*~*~*~
-Cj
I like BMW's red leather seats in a black car! Especially a 330CI convertible!!
-Cj
HONDA ALREADY HAS THE TECHNOLOGY READY!
-Cj
NOTE: I'M TYPING IN CAPS FOR THE EMPHASIS!
Altima's not killing Accord. I think Nissan is still selling 06 Altima's and some 07 Altima's. The 07 Altima uses a little better interior plastics than the 06. I agree though Honda has catching up to with the Accord on the exterior styling end in my opinion anyway.
You say too spoty for the lovale Accord?Honda can't go so conservative on their styling because Mazda and Nissan have been snatching younger buyers away from Honda in the past few years. Honda went way conservative on the current Accord styling and it killed their sales of the Accord in my opinion. Honda is being smart on snapping onto current exterior styling trends in my opinion.
-Cj
Maybe the Altima should be compared with the Acura TL?
http://www.thecarconnection.com/scrapbook-popup.asp?ScrapbookID=1296&Position=1
And some warm and fuzzy words about what the accord will be like:
"The all-new 2008 Accord will arrive in dealerships this Fall - and while it is too early to disclose many details, I can tell you that it will serve as a clear expression of Honda's clean, safe, and fun brand values.
The 2008 Accord will come to market with the next generation of Honda's Variable Cylinder Management technology for a significant improvement in real world fuel economy.
Additionally, the 2008 Accord also will feature something none of its competitors can boast ... the next application of Honda's Advanced Compatibility Engineering- or ACE - body structure. This means that approximately 90 percent of Honda cars sold in the U.S. will feature this unique, important and industry-leading technology. This is another one of those technologies we hope the entire industry will follow.
Of course, what has put Accord on the 10-best list for more than two decades... is the fact that it has always been fun. And this vehicle is no exception... making the same quantum leap forward that the all new Civic did last year... With Fun in terms of bold new styling... Fun in terms of offering a sporty coupe variant.... And fun in terms of offering the driver a rewarding, engaging, and exhilarating driving experience.
The next generation model promises to elevate the Accord driving experience to an even higher level. Viewed together... the elegant combination of these attributes--along with the refinement, quality and low cost of ownership that defines Accord ... is again what will make it an industry benchmark.
It's therefore our intention to bring the next generation Accord to market as the boldest ... roomiest ... most refined ... and most exhilarating car in the segment. Indeed, a new benchmark.
As we get closer to the launch ... more details will become available. But with a powerful stance, long hood, deeply sculpted lower body, and a fast roofline, we think what you see here today represents a bold new styling direction for the entire Accord
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
HONDA ALREADY HAS THE TECHNOLOGY READY!
-Cj
NOTE: I'M TYPING IN CAPS FOR THE EMPHASIS!
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Outside the US Honda sells the Civic, Euro Accord, and CR-V with the CTD-i. Why does Honda keep saying it will bring its diesels to the US within three years. If Honda's new emission technology works as claimed and can meet the US Tier 2 Bin 5 standard they can and should bring a diesel to the US market in 2008. I'll be the first in line to buy an Accord or CR-V with a diesel.
(I'm typing in caps for the emphasis)
And you know this because......
-Loren
No headroom or leg-room in the rear seat, then I am not interested.
While, I like the styling of the Accord coupe, and the potential for it to perform as good, if not better than the Altima Coupe (hope handling is better), if I can't put my parents back there when they visit me on those rare occasions, then the car is a deal breaker.
The main reason I am not considering a G35 Coupe!
Though the premiums are going up in price, I have noticed!
The New Accord, if it is like the show one, will be pretty hot. Hope pricing stays down to earth. They are nice engined, tight assembled, good handling, durable, and sometimes even stylish cars. The competition is not standing still though. There are so many alternatives, but Honda, realizes the heat is on and is responding with product. Styling for 2008 models seems to be on track, so Honda fans may indeed have yet another winner. Looks like Altima is ready to challenge, as is Saturn and even a little company called Ford, with its Fusion. Yeah, I suppose Honda is less concerned about the latter.
-Loren
Um, are you aware that there's an entire model line of base V6 Accords (SE-V6) for around $23k sticker?
Check the prices-paid forum for Accords - nobody is paying over INVOICE now, much less sticker. There is $750 incentive cash on 2007 Accords.
Trust me, dealers ARE budging on prices... more than budging. They're going DOWN in anticipation of the new model.
Other than that I'm really excited to see what the 2008 Accord looks like, and judging from how the current car can still beat the Aura, Optima, and Altima, the new one will probably blow them all away
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
I'm surprised at how the Camry finished fifth though, especially being Motor Trend's Car of the Year and all...
Motor Trend's Car of the Year compeition is more rounded, and includes factors such as the new vehicle's significance to the market (which the Camry Hybrid certainly has in droves), as well as value within it's class.
I'm not really arguing, just clearing some things up with these two tests that some people may not realize.
Coincidentally, Camry lost to Aura for the North American Car of the Year award. In fact, it was beated by even Honda Fit which, as we know, has really existed in its current form for six years (and it actually garnered twice as many votes as Camry did).
Also with the cabriolet (4 seat convertibles) sales increasing and the opposite of coupes, honda should make this accord a hard top convertible. With no solara to get toyota's sales up, its perfect for the accord with only the eos and g6 taking sales. Its a good segment for honda. Plus with these good looks, great reliability, and dollar value, honda has this all to itself! If only they would do it...
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