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2008 Honda Accord Coupe and Sedan
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Having the 6-speed option in a v6 with leather and all the bells & whistles keeps me in an Accord despite the current bland exterior. Keep that and give it the 2008 face?? I do not see any competition on the horizon for that!
For all the 'style' of the Camry or Fusion, neither put a stick shift in anything except the lesser optioned models.
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Do you have a TL and drive a TL every day? If you did you'd see this blanket statement about the TL's torque steer is awry. Torque steer is evident in ANY high HP FWD vehicle. In the TL it is mitigated (at least in the 06 + versions) by new software. Its also mostly apparent in the manual transmission versions which make up probably only 5% of all TLs.
You only have to deal with torque steer when you're steering hard and accelerating hard simultaneously which isn't very often. Even then I'd hardly call it suffering.
I put 19000 miles on my TL in the last year and can count on 1 hand the number of times I was leery of torque steer. FWD comes with the territory when you buy Honda/Acura.
Your last sentence, I add SAAB to that and subtract the RWD s2000 and NSX.
-Cj
A great device to help torque steer is a mechanical LSD which most companies are reluctant to put in their cars (save for the Civic Si, BMW M Cars...).
I'm anxiously awaiting the new '08 Accord. My wife drives a 2000 Mazda Protege ES with almost 80,000 miles. About 4 months ago she gave birth to our beautiful baby boy. He's go a lot of stuff for somebody who is only 25" long. Right noew the Protege is good for the 3 of us. But I feel like we may out grow it in a year or 2. I've had an '06 Accord as a Loaner car (when the Prelude goes in for service) and I've been impressed even with the pretty basic 4cyl LX they gave me. The new Accord will probably be at the top of my list along with the TSX, Legacy GT, & Mazda 6.
Since we had the baby. I drive my Prelude (Almost 78K miles) back and forth to work 6 days a week and that's it. We used to take it everywhere on the weekends, but it isn't the best thing to use as a family hauler. I've gone from driving 20K miles per year to 12K.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I guess adding LSD (What is LSD?)would be fine. No tugging at the wheel is ok for me. I guess a less complicated AWD system for honda would be ok for those in the snow belt. It'll also shut that AWD fusion up and out. IT ANNOYS ME!!
-Cj
LSD = Limited Slip Differential
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I owned a 1996 blue honda prelude type-S in grand turismo 4 once and i kind of made it into a AWD! Yes I know it doesn't count but hey it was still INCREDIBLE and almost felt real at times!!
Honda could have made some big $$$ off the prelude if they would have added a soft top cabrio to the model! VW did that with the beetle and that sparked some interest. But the beetle was a "chick car" and stopped many sales on that alone. Honda, not so much. Maybe we'll get another prelude when nissan's skyline comes back! Hopefully with a coupe with rear passenger room and a drop top model!! If marketed with a a sporty model and an elegant model (Think mercedes C class)... I"M EXCITED ALREADY!!
-Cj
An Accord Convertible might work, but I doubt they'll do it before they build a new sub-$50K Acura convertible...
~Cj
A Limited-Slip Differential.
Wow...someone on a Honda forum actually admits Hondas are noisy. I'm with you...I love Hondas but they severely lack soundproofing.
My only complaints about my old '03 Accord EXV6 was the road noise & choppy ride (besides a few mechanical failures). The car had the best interior ergonomics of any that I've owned + it was very quick & smooth engine.
I drove a '07 Hyundai Santa Fe last month and it was very quiet on the highway. You needed earplugs to drive our '06 Odyssey afterwards.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Please share your extensive experience in your Accords and from your test-drives in other makes.
BUT, please respect the opinions of others.
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The rest of the members on this board
This is public forum where we are entitled to post opinions, if you don't agree with them, write your argument in a polite manner.
Thanks.
Does it help to eliminate the road noise in your Civic and Odyessy by having the radio on in the car so you don;t hear the road noise as much?
I have an 02 Acura CL(Base) myself and I don't hear any noises except for the wind when the wind is really blowing. Maybe Acura's are quieter than Honda's.
Indeed. My friend from HS has a 2001 CL Base model and it more muted in the road-noise department than any Honda I've witnessed. Too bad about the rear-headroom in that one though
I must say, Hondas have gotten quieter in the last couple of years. My 2006 Accord is the quietest Honda I've ever been in, quieter than our 2003 and lightyears ahead of my 1996 Accord.
With the Odyssey, just turn the volume knob a little higher, and problem solved.
A friend's 03 MDX had less road noise though, so maybe Honda adds extra soundproofing material to Acuras.
I agree that in general Hondas were much more noisy than Toyotas. This from my experience of 99 toyota and 00 honda. Things might have changed now. But flipside is that hondas gave a tad bit better gas mileage. Must be due to lack of 100 pounds of sound insulation.
"am interested if incentives are good on the outgoing model"
http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/current_offers.asp?Function=new
"Is it quieter than pre 06 models?"
The 2007 Accords are virtually identical to the 2003 through 2006 Accords except for minor trim and color variations. The big changes will come with the 2008 model year. No, Honda isn't about to tell you anything about minor sound level differences.
"Hondas were much more noisy than Toyotas"
Not so. Accords are not designed with as much sound deadening and have sportier suspensions than do Camrys. But they are very far from being "noisy". That's a relative judgement, since in a comparison between Cadillac, Lincoln, Jaguar or Mercedes, one may be noisier than another. But the owners purchase cars for many reasons. Sound level (without the radio on) is just one.
I plan on waiting until the 08 Accord comes out before making a purchase
FYI The latest comparison test with an Accord and the updated competition, the Accord still took top honours with the Altima in second place. The Camry placed well back and had quality problems with interior trim pieces.
I think in the haste to be number one in sales world wide, Toyota's quality is slipping. This is coming from a Toyota fan. Honda is looking good. :shades:
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
http://www.hondacarindia.com/images/media_center/2_1024_768.jpg
In Canada we have the Acura CSX (based on the Civic) which has those same headlights as in the india picture, and is more upscale than the Civic.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Because the internet can do two things:
1.) Sensationalize an issue by magnifying it (if 3 posters are unhappy with their cars, we can easily fail to realize that there are 400k+ 2007 Camry owners out there, not reporting at all.
2.) You can't believe everything you read. There will always be naysayers of a car just because they had a bad experience long ago, who will lie to get people not to buy a Toyota or any other brand, etc...
The 2003 Accord had teething issues (rattles, Radio LCD Display problem, V6 transmissions) but they were worked out, and the Accord has been a great car for both me and for my family. I have had none of the issues that I read about, although my dad's 2003 had the LCD go out.
Remember, first year models are always more problematic than established model lines like the five-year old Accord platform.
By the way, I'm not making excuses for Toyota, I actually am in a three-Honda family. No Toyotas in our house.
As to the resurgence of American automobile companies, I wouldn't hold my breath, but that discussion belongs in another thread, so enough said.
I'm not a Honda-head, or a homer for any other make. I just want the best car for the money, and right now the '07 Accord is looking better and better, because I wouldn't be surprised to find the '08 will have first year issues as well, perhaps not as pronounced as the Toyo, but issues none the less.
The price wasn't a whole lot higher than a 2005 model would've been a year before, either.
It's just a matter of WHEN you need the car, WHAT you are willing to pay, and WHERE your priorities in vehicle quality and its "new-factor" lay.
You wrote; "MMC is the 4th MY in the 5 year cycle." Actually the 2003 model was the first of the seventh generation Accords. The 2007 is the last, and is the 5th model year of its generation.
MY 03, 04, 05 new design
MY 06, 07 MMC
MY 08 new design
rinse and repeat. :shades: