My old (1994) Dodge Grand Caravan's compass, and thermometer for that matter, were always dead on. The magnetic fields, if any, in that vehicle had absolutely no effect whatsoever.
That's absolutely hogwash! If you don't know what the Hyundai logo stands for, you need to do some serious research.
And, for the zillionth time, the current generation Sonata benchmarked (or, copied if you will) an Audi A6 (compare profiles), not a Honda Accord.
Evidently, you're not old enough to remember when Honda's (and, Nissans, Subarus, and Toyotas) were considered cheap. Anything made in Japan was considered cheap, both figuratively and literally! Now, it's the Korean's turn - next it will be the Chinese.
Still, those are not fresh, new cars going to a dealer to be sold to a new car buyer. No stickers, no gel or film and the photo has been around for awhile. It's too early for deliveries and on top of that, there is also a TSX on same truck.
What is so unusual about a TSX and an Accord on the same trailer?? They are both Honda products. Why cant they share a trailer that will probably stop at a Honda and Acura dealership?
The ride a drive cars where trucked around a few weeks ago. That is most likely where that photo came from rather than any other scenario. It is a reach to assume that it is new cars on the way to a dealership with so many red flags pointing otherwise.
">I didn't like the design initially but after seeing it in person my opinion changed (I didn't hate it, just thought it would be different). After going to the Ride and Drive I was impressed.
Sorry the pictures are so big, this is the first time I've posted pics on a forum. Maybe some one can clue me in.
I have a few more pictures that I will post for everybody. I just can't seem to get it to work now. Sorry. Maybe it's the size of the pictures????
EX-L V6 Navi.
A little over accessorized, but still looks good.">
Very nice! If I didn't already have an Accord I would be planning on some shopping. I love those wheels on the coupe, but not in a light color. That door molding is something I'm not fond of though. No car is perfect though I guess.
I agree with you. It's wierd though, when I took the picture everything looked good, it's after I looked at the car in a picture that I thought is was a tad too much. It'll sell.
I am new to Honda. Am very interested in the 08 accord sedan. I have had it with american cars. My question is does anybody know if the Accord has a drivers info center ( compass, temp, avg miles per gallon, average speed?) I find it very handy in my present car thanks
The EX-L (even without Navigation) has compass and exterior temperature. I can't find any data anywhere if any trim has average miles per gallon or average speed.
"If you're that anti-compass, please cite some scientific studies showing their ineffectiveness in cars."
He's not anti-compass... he's anti-accord! Because it has sunroof and well, COMPASS!
Are you really that naive to believe such a statement? The guy asked for proof, I gave it and he could not refute it, neither can you. I can refute that I am Anti-Accord tho. My gosh that's a thick thing to say to someone. I like the Accord, I do not like a mandatory sunroof nor do I see the need for a magnetic compass in a car surrounded by 194.1 inches of magnetic fields. I will wait for the diesel Accord to come out. Is your life so dull that you have to make inane statements about other peoples opinions? Options and trim levels are constantly being talked about in here why not go and troll for other posters. :P
FWIW, our 2004 Avalon has a magnetic compass. I know it's magnetic because it has settings to correct for deviation from true north in various areas of the US because of differences in the earth's magnetic field. Ours appears in the dashboard digital display in a non-nav equipped car. As far as I can tell it works. It has been occasionally useful when I get into an unfamiliar area, which happens often in Houston. With the current state of tech, there's no reason that a company like Honda cannot have the readings from the compass corrected to account for the field of the vehicle.
Maybe the vehicle is demagnetized befor shipments like WW2 vessels.
I have an 03 Accord EX and absolutely love the sunroof. I may look at a Camry but the sunroof sells Honda along with the power seat. No power seat available on the Ex sedan or the LX with seat warmers I can put up with the leather. Sunroof of course
This technology, called Magneto-Inductive sensor technology, is the greatest advance in compass technology since the fluxgate was invented 60 years ago. It electronically senses the difference between the earth's magnetic field and your vehicle's magnetic field, and an on-board microprocessor electronically subtracts your vehicle's magnetic field from the total discerned field, resulting in highly accurate compass readings.
These advantages have made Magneto-Inductive sensor technology the choice for many high-profile users of compass applications including GM, Ford, and Daimler Chrysler automobiles, Polaris jet skis, Bayliner boats and Timex watches.
This probably explains why you don't hear of people complaining about compasses in their cars----because they do work!
Where is there a chart or summary of changed features by trim line for 2008? I'm trying to decide whether to go for a better deal now or wait for the 2008's.
I've seen the news release, but someone must have put a together a 07 vs 08 comparison.
You ignored my last reply. The compass issue is overblown. Aircraft have the same problems and they've been navigating using magnetic compasses for 100 years. What's the big deal here?
I just found it amazing that we people actually complain on a few degree difference under a compass when we have something 100% reliable known as the sun, the north star, and the Crux. Please, take what you have for granted.
With that said, I don't find the fuel mileage of the Accord appealing, but I enjoy the aesthetics.
I am not posting any more replies to anything to do with either of these subjects as they have gotten to the point where they are off topic. I made my point as well as my opinion about them as have others. I don't care if you believe they work or not. That's it, believe anything you want. Sunroofs are a personal choice, I just think they should be a Choice and not mandatory. Nuff said!
I will not be buying a 2008 Accord I will wait until next year and see about buying a 2009 Accord diesel The 2009 model will look the same as a 2008 but with a diesel engine it will far more suit my needs, regardless of sunroofs etc...
There are some comparison charts in the honda media releases. Go to www.hondanews.com, then click on the 2008 Accord in the whats hot section, this brings up all 10 releases. The one on the body has comparison info. The other releases have a lot of good reading info as well to help in your decision.
I doubt the Accord will have quite as much storage space as the CRV, but it would probably be more comfortable on a long drive. The question is, can you fit everything you want to bring with you in the trunk? If you can, I would go with the Accord. Try them both out for size.
I agree. I prefer some of the amenities offered on the EX trim, but refuse to buy a car with a sunroof. I generally like Honda's trim line packaging, and lack of long option lists as other manufacturers, but I wish they would offer the EX without the sunroof. It's ridiculous that you have to purchase an EX to get what other manufacturer's include as standard equipment on lesser trim lines.
Thanks. I mean to say our Accord is a 2005. A hybrid with leather (and no sunroof, actually, to contribute to that debate).
Right now the Accord is my every day commuter which includes a pickup or drop off at day care. It's more than fine for that although I wish the back seat were further back to keep my son from kicking the back of the passenger seat. As it is I manually move the passenger seat way up so he cannot kick the back. In the odyssey, he kicks the back of the grab handle on the back of the seat. He's getting better about it though.
I like the AWD on the CR-V and it seems as big or bigger inside as my 2005 Accord. I am guessing the 2008 Accord is roomier still than the CR-V.
Just for daily commuting the change is probably not worth it. But if either the CR-V or the new Accord could handle the stuff for an overnight trip, the improved MPG might be attractive.
My "fleet" of the Accord and Ody is pretty well set up for our needs but I can't help thinking about buying new Hondas all the time! It's a weakness I have!
If you want space and utility, in lieu of style and looks, why not consider an Element? Hard not to argue with the overall space utility in that vehicle. Much more available interior space than a CR-V . . .
I love the Element and have considered it many times. I am waiting for them to add the telescoping wheel found in the Accord and CR-V. I am pretty tall and it makes it more comfortable.
It's more than fine for that although I wish the back seat were further back to keep my son from kicking the back of the passenger seat. As it is I manually move the passenger seat way up so he cannot kick the back. In the odyssey, he kicks the back of the grab handle on the back of the seat. He's getting better about it though.
We had a cavernous 1994 Sedan DeVille. It doesn't matter how big the back seat is. They do outgrow it, though, maybe by 18 or 19.
Lots of room in the Element, but those clamshell doors would drive me batty, having to open both to get into the rear seat. Not the hot ticket for easy access to a car seat back there.
I've been on the fence between a TSX an 2008 Accord.
With other manufacturers, I'd be reluctant to buy the first year after a major model change. ( I previously made the mistake of buying an early year VW Passat that got great rating when released, but that's why I'm looking at a Honda/Acura now).
I'm not sure that is as important with Honda's reputation for reliability. Have there major glitches/bugs worked in the first year after other major model changes?
We've had a number of issues with our two 03 Accords (outgoing generation); quite a departure from our 98/99 Accords. Both were launch-year purchases, except for the 99.
Not sure what to make of it, since the warranty-repaired problems were both run-of-the mill mechanical and electronic in nature. The center console lighting was the only semi-complex issue.
That said, Honda probably is on par with other carmakers on 1st year bugs and if I recall correctly, possibly behind Korean brands in initial quality.
I guess higher production volumes affect everyone. What's different with Honda is their no-hassle rectification of their design/engineering/mfg problems.
I'd hold off until the 2nd year model comes out. Despite a carmaker's sterling "we'll fix it" reputation, the dealer trips are still unproductive downtime for a lot of folks, including me.
There was an extension to the warranty on the radio displays on the 03 and maybe 04 Accords (7 years / 100k miles). My display has not gone out yet at 4 years and 48k miles. There was an auto transmission recall on the V6 Accords. The recall was done on my car, and I have had no problems with it. I have seen posts of later models with more problems than I have had, so problems are possible with any model year. Yes, I did take a chance buying an 03 (a first year redesign), but it was a small chance, and I haven't regretted taking it.
And, for the zillionth time, the current generation Sonata benchmarked (or, copied if you will) an Audi A6 (compare profiles), not a Honda Accord.
I wouldn't confuse 1998 Accord's front end with an Audi. And I wouldn't confuse 2003 Accord's rear end with an Audi. There is no "Audi" in Sonata's styling. It has 1998 and 2003 Accord written all over it.
Perhaps for Elantra they tried to mimic Jetta for the rear, but it ends up looking like a Corolla-Jetta hybrid with weirder lines.
I wouldn’t weigh too much into fuel economy ratings by EPA. EPA ratings for my 2006 TL is: 18/26 mpg. And here is my log from a trip that I took this weekend trip:
First Tank The first tank involved two segments. The first was a 273 mile drive (99% freeway), with an overall average speed of 73 mph as indicated on trip computer and calculated average speed of 73.5 mph. Indicated mileage was 30 mpg.
The second segment involved mostly city driving. I could not calculate the average speed (and did not reset the trip computer). About 135 miles covered. Due to this segment, the average speed (indicated) dropped to 53 mph and mileage dropped to an indicated 27 mpg.
Distance: 408 miles Average Speed: 53 mph (indicated) Mileage: 27.3 mpg (calculated) Estimated city/highway split: 20% City/80% Freeway
Second tank This involved almost 100% freeway driving.
Distance: 287 miles Average Speed: 71 mph (indicated) / 71.1 mph (calculated) Mileage: 32 mpg (indicated)
Overall Trip Distance Covered: 695 miles Average Mileage: 29.1 mpg Approximate City/Highway Split: 12% city/88% highway
That made me wonder that if my TL were equipped with VCM like the new Accord is, chances are, I would have averaged better than 30 mpg. That’s not bad at all.
All navi equipped 08 accords are capable of a backup camera. Honda is going to offer one for those who want to have it. No pricing or availabilty. However its color coded so you have to make sure it's the right color.
Edit: Honda is also offering a musiclink ipod adaptor for 08 accord. I hope they improved it. The first gen music link was terrible.
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And, for the zillionth time, the current generation Sonata benchmarked (or, copied if you will) an Audi A6 (compare profiles), not a Honda Accord.
Evidently, you're not old enough to remember when Honda's (and, Nissans, Subarus, and Toyotas) were considered cheap. Anything made in Japan was considered cheap, both figuratively and literally! Now, it's the Korean's turn - next it will be the Chinese.
Sorry the pictures are so big, this is the first time I've posted pics on a forum. Maybe some one can clue me in.
I have a few more pictures that I will post for everybody. I just can't seem to get it to work now. Sorry. Maybe it's the size of the pictures????
EX-L V6 Navi.
A little over accessorized, but still looks good.">
<img src="http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/isellthz/EX-LNaviV6Coupe.jpg
Looks like a car with some guts.
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/812/releases/4103
The EX-L (even without Navigation) has compass and exterior temperature. I can't find any data anywhere if any trim has average miles per gallon or average speed.
He's not anti-compass... he's anti-accord! Because it has sunroof and well, COMPASS!
Are you really that naive to believe such a statement? The guy asked for proof, I gave it and he could not refute it, neither can you. I can refute that I am Anti-Accord tho. My gosh that's a thick thing to say to someone.
I like the Accord, I do not like a mandatory sunroof nor do I see the need for a magnetic compass in a car surrounded by 194.1 inches of magnetic fields.
I will wait for the diesel Accord to come out. Is your life so dull that you have to make inane statements about other peoples opinions?
Options and trim levels are constantly being talked about in here why not go and troll for other posters. :P
Maybe the vehicle is demagnetized befor shipments like WW2 vessels.
Well actually the link you provided in your post actually refutes your own argument!
Here's the link provided by you:
http://www.007radardetectors.com/v2020_faq.htm#1
Here's what it says:
This technology, called Magneto-Inductive sensor technology, is the greatest advance in compass technology since the fluxgate was invented 60 years ago. It electronically senses the difference between the earth's magnetic field and your vehicle's magnetic field, and an on-board microprocessor electronically subtracts your vehicle's magnetic field from the total discerned field, resulting in highly accurate compass readings.
These advantages have made Magneto-Inductive sensor technology the choice for many high-profile users of compass applications including GM, Ford, and Daimler Chrysler automobiles, Polaris jet skis, Bayliner boats and Timex watches.
This probably explains why you don't hear of people complaining about compasses in their cars----because they do work!
I've seen the news release, but someone must have put a together a 07 vs 08 comparison.
Thanks
I am so glad I waited for the 08's!!
With that said, I don't find the fuel mileage of the Accord appealing, but I enjoy the aesthetics.
Sunroofs are a personal choice, I just think they should be a Choice and not mandatory. Nuff said!
I will not be buying a 2008 Accord I will wait until next year and see about buying a 2009 Accord diesel
The 2009 model will look the same as a 2008 but with a diesel engine it will far more suit my needs, regardless of sunroofs etc...
My wife and I have an Odyssey which is the ultimate family friendly Honda for us and our 2 kids under age 3. Our second car is a 2007 Accord.
How do you think the new Accord stacks up against the CR-V as a second family friendly car?
Right now the Accord is my every day commuter which includes a pickup or drop off at day care. It's more than fine for that although I wish the back seat were further back to keep my son from kicking the back of the passenger seat. As it is I manually move the passenger seat way up so he cannot kick the back. In the odyssey, he kicks the back of the grab handle on the back of the seat. He's getting better about it though.
I like the AWD on the CR-V and it seems as big or bigger inside as my 2005 Accord. I am guessing the 2008 Accord is roomier still than the CR-V.
Just for daily commuting the change is probably not worth it. But if either the CR-V or the new Accord could handle the stuff for an overnight trip, the improved MPG might be attractive.
My "fleet" of the Accord and Ody is pretty well set up for our needs but I can't help thinking about buying new Hondas all the time! It's a weakness I have!
Well, the seat may be further back in the 08 Accord, but your son's legs will be growing too.
We had a cavernous 1994 Sedan DeVille. It doesn't matter how big the back seat is. They do outgrow it, though, maybe by 18 or 19.
With other manufacturers, I'd be reluctant to buy the first year after a major model change. ( I previously made the mistake of buying an early year VW Passat that got great rating when released, but that's why I'm looking at a Honda/Acura now).
I'm not sure that is as important with Honda's reputation for reliability. Have there major glitches/bugs worked in the first year after other major model changes?
Not sure what to make of it, since the warranty-repaired problems were both run-of-the mill mechanical and electronic in nature. The center console lighting was the only semi-complex issue.
That said, Honda probably is on par with other carmakers on 1st year bugs and if I recall correctly, possibly behind Korean brands in initial quality.
I guess higher production volumes affect everyone. What's different with Honda is their no-hassle rectification of their design/engineering/mfg problems.
I'd hold off until the 2nd year model comes out. Despite a carmaker's sterling "we'll fix it" reputation, the dealer trips are still unproductive downtime for a lot of folks, including me.
Works well for those "Are we there yet?" times too.
I wouldn't confuse 1998 Accord's front end with an Audi. And I wouldn't confuse 2003 Accord's rear end with an Audi. There is no "Audi" in Sonata's styling. It has 1998 and 2003 Accord written all over it.
Perhaps for Elantra they tried to mimic Jetta for the rear, but it ends up looking like a Corolla-Jetta hybrid with weirder lines.
First Tank
The first tank involved two segments. The first was a 273 mile drive (99% freeway), with an overall average speed of 73 mph as indicated on trip computer and calculated average speed of 73.5 mph. Indicated mileage was 30 mpg.
The second segment involved mostly city driving. I could not calculate the average speed (and did not reset the trip computer). About 135 miles covered. Due to this segment, the average speed (indicated) dropped to 53 mph and mileage dropped to an indicated 27 mpg.
Distance: 408 miles
Average Speed: 53 mph (indicated)
Mileage: 27.3 mpg (calculated)
Estimated city/highway split: 20% City/80% Freeway
Second tank
This involved almost 100% freeway driving.
Distance: 287 miles
Average Speed: 71 mph (indicated) / 71.1 mph (calculated)
Mileage: 32 mpg (indicated)
Overall Trip
Distance Covered: 695 miles
Average Mileage: 29.1 mpg
Approximate City/Highway Split: 12% city/88% highway
That made me wonder that if my TL were equipped with VCM like the new Accord is, chances are, I would have averaged better than 30 mpg. That’s not bad at all.
Edit: Honda is also offering a musiclink ipod adaptor for 08 accord. I hope they improved it. The first gen music link was terrible.