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  • "I've gotta tell you, I was impressed with what I saw; much more impressed than I was with the Lexus GS350 or Infiniti M35. I wouldn't say I performed anything close to a scientific survey', but nearly everyone whom I asked about their opinion of the MKS had very favorable reviews."

    "I don't think we at Audi and BMW have a lot to worry about from Lincoln just yet, but if they keep moving in the direction they seem to moving in, they bear watching. Lincoln! Who'd a thunk it! Even the dead can come back to life, I guess they call it 'resurection'. "

    What !?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!!!! :surprise: :surprise: I can't believe an Audi/BMW employee/fan/whatever would be slightly impressed with an American car, especially a Lincoln !!!! I always thought that they are all 100% anti-domestic when it comes to there views of cars. I might have been wrong about the people in Cali. :blush:

    Hey Edmunds an Audi Fan/Employee has a higher opinion of Lincoln than you do !!!!!!

    "and Ford seems to be doing a lot better job with quality than they used to. Their interiors (though still not quite up to Audi standards) are head and shoulders above GM and Chrysler, and for that matter are pretty much on par if not marginally better than their Japanese competition."

    I can sleep easy tonight. :)
  • and hello subcompacts. After President Bush signed new bill I am afraid to tell you that it is the last opportunity for you to buy a big powerful car (even though MKS is not such a big after all). Buy new Taurus, Sable and MKS while you have opportunity and supply last. In near future Fusion/Milan/MKZ will be considered as full size cars and Focus will become mainstream midsize sedan with 1.6L engine. Bright future is ahead of us. Thank you Mr. President and Congress, you did great job! We elect you again, and again and again.

    Oh wait, California sets even stricter 44 mpg standard effective 2016 - thank you California - as usual you blaze the trail for rest of us! Congratulation fellow Californians now you can finally replace your BMWs and Porsches with Minis and Smarts, isn't it what you wanted?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    That is simply not true. There are all sorts of ways that mpg can be improved without decreasing the car size or comfort level. But it will cost more. There are several proposals already for luxury cars that will meet this standard. The Minis and smarts will be offering 100 mpg soon enough. And that will offset to some degree the bigger and thirstier ones. Heck, the MKS twinforce 400+ hp MKS will be getting close to 30 hwy mpg, once they sort it out.

    Besides, look at Europe. Gas there costs two to four times as much as here. The cars themselves are more expensive, and they are highly taxed. Yet there are now more big an powerful vehicles there than there have ever been.

    Reminds me of when the first serious pollution standards went into place. Car engines were choked of real power for a few years, as those standards went into effect awfully fast. But within 15 years, engines were not only much cleaner, but more powerful and efficient as well. Relax. Besides, no one is going to take your Corvette ZR1 away. Keep it up and keep it tuned, if all this scares ya.

    People will still drive what they want, but now there will be a lot more choices for those of us who would actually like to drive a high mpg vehicle. More hybrids and more (powerful) diesels. Start-stop, cylinder deactivation, brake energy recycling, direct injection will all become standard things. Prices for all the tech will come down, as these standards will take almost a generation to go into full effect. There is no problem. None.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    "There is no problem. None."

    Are you serious?

    Line up here behind gregg to have Nancy Pelosi design your next car. Cause that's what you're advocating.
  • I agree with everybody else that it's not the end of the world just because that the government is pushing for a higher fuel economy standard. Enough about that what do you all think about this article that I found on Car and Driver about lincoln getting a version of the Flex or fairlane crossover.

    Lincoln to get a version of the Flex crossover
  • Yeah, you're right, those are some pretty big "only" things. The Cadillac CTS is a pretty nice car, no doubt. It's definitely the best thing that Cadillac makes. I am impressed with how Cadillac has turned their ship around. But I've got to tell you, Cadillac has a very long way to go, when it comes to quality. You can take a couple very strong engines and some pretty good suspensions, and stick them in a bunch of cars, then poke your chest out and shout "I'VE ARRIVED! But as far as I'm concerned that's nothing but an empty bellow.

    Look. If I had to own a GM product other than a Corvette, it probably would be a CTS. I'd buy a Corvette, but I wouldn't buy a CTS. For all it's strengths, it is just not bolted together as well as I would like. And for not much more money, you can get a 'Genuine' German high performance sedan. CTS: good effort on Cadillac's part to compete on the world stage, but they've got to learn how to bolt them together better. I am an American, not a German or a Japanese; and I applaud Cadillac, as I do Lincoln. I actually want to see them improve and not get their blocks knocked off every time they enter the ring, there's no patriotic 'pride' in that. But, when it comes to bolting their cars together, Ford is doing a much better job than GM. It's even gotten to the point where Consumer Reports (who are unabashedly Japanese car lovers), have even come to the conclusion that they can no longer deny Ford's quality gains. The CTS's interior is very nice, as Cadillacs go; but the Lincoln interiors on whole are superior to the Cadillac interiors. I had the opportunity to sit in the MKS at the San Francisco Int'l Auto Show, I don't know if you've had that opportunity yet. Even though it was a pre-production mule, and I was able to find some flaws that'll probably be worked out on the production models, what I saw thoroughly impressed me, given the finished product quality of some of the other Lincoln products (Navigator, MKX, and MKZ).

    I don't know that I would buy the vanilla version of the MKS, but I might consider the twin-turbo version coming. Honestly, I would never consider buying the CTS. Too many quality flaws for their price point. If you're a Cadillac lover, God Bless You! I'm not going to get into a dog fight with you about that subject, I don't care enough about the competition between Lincoln and Cadillac to engage. I work with Audis and BMWs all day every day, and see my fair share of Cads, Benzs, Lexs and Lincolns. When it comes to me spending my own money, I'll stick with Audi and BMW, and posssssiiiibbbly an MKS Bi-Turbo. :surprise: Ooops, did I say that? ;) :blush:
  • I have seen and sat in the MKS pre-production mule at the S.F. Int'l Auto Show. Even though it wasn't finished off as well as it will be in the production version, it was a great indication of what Lincoln is doing with the car. Also, all you need do is look at the workmanship on most of the other newer Lincoln products. They are really doing a good job imitating Audi. And as I'm sure most people know, Audi is the standard by which all other manufacturers interiors are judged. I've seen better interiors that in the new Lincolns, but not at their price point. I looked at the CTS even harder than the MKS, as it is a final production model, and it has been receiving a lot of positive press lately. Especially since it's supposed to be more of a BMW, Audi, and Benz competitor. I do after all want to know what my competition is doing. Well, quiet is kept, while a very nice car, it's not all that it's being made out to be. Nice interior, yes; but I think lincoln does a better job with interiors than Cadillac does, and Lincoln's bolting them together better than Cadillac as well.

    You know, the Lexus GS350 (not the ES350) and the M35 are more of a direct competitor to the MKS, along with the Lucern and even the Audi A6. And while not quite matching up equally (and the jury's still out on that), I've gotta admit, at the price point they're coming in at, that MKS is gonna be one helluva value. Yeah, the car is very heavy, and on paper the performance numbers don't look very strong, but you don't drive paper, you drive the iron. I know for example that while the Audi A6Q 3.2 V6 (255 hp @ 6500 rpm / 243 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm) is a pretty heavy car, and doesn't have the strongest hp/torque numbers, it drives stronger than it's numbers would indicate. And you're right, I think the MKS will perform sufficiently well enough to satisfy most of the audience it will appeal to. But like you, I would have to wait for the Twin-Turbo to really have any chance of getting excited about this car.
  • Yeah theman123. I couldn't believe it myself. There are not a lot of American cars that impress me, and Lincoln of all nameplates. Will wonders never cease? I wouldn't quite say that Audi and BMW nuts are 100% anti-domestic, at least not the Cali group. We too are Americans after all. And somewhere deep inside of us, the flame of patriotism still burns. Most of us want to see Ford, GM, and Chrysler, or some combination of the same, do well. The truth is, the American manufacturer pretty much created their own hell. But when we put our minds to it, we Yanks can do most anything we set our minds to. And with a measure of pride, albeit suppressed, I think Lincoln is finally waking up and at least trying to do what they need to do to compete.

    Hey those folks over at Edmunds are human too, they're entitled to make a mistake every once in a while.

    And I'm glad you can sleep easy tonight. Sleep well my friend, all's well in the land of the free and the home of the brave new Lincoln. :)
  • You're right theman123, it's not the end of the world. It's happening all over the world. Technologies will be developed, and consumer appetites and pocketbooks will adjust, and there will always be a set of wheels available to make your blood boil with excitement. Besides 2020 is thirteen years from now and technologies are being developed faster than in the past. Just look at where we were and how far we've come from just thirteen years ago, in 1994. I'm optimistic that what man can conceive, man can achieve. But only time will tell.

    I don't know about Lincoln getting a version of the Flex. All the luxury makes are moving more and more into the SUVs and Crossovers. I guess it just depends on their execution. Will they do it right? Or will they get cheap and do a thinly disguised, rebadged clone of the Flex, by hanging a big grill and a bunch of chrome on it. I'm not too optimistic about a Lincoln version. Only because I fear they will MUCK it up. But then again, Lincoln's surprised me once already with that MKS. Who knows, maybe they'll do it right. The one thing I do know, is that they really need to give the MKR the go-ahead. That car is a real winner. They could actually make that car if they wanted to. If they did, and powered it right, Lincoln could be well on their way to putting the shine back on the Lincoln star. I think that's what Lincoln needs; the MKZ and MKX were good first steps. The MKS is a great big step, and the Lincoln Flex could be as well. But that MKR, if Lincoln makes it, would be a giant leap forward for Lincoln.

    But what do I know? I'm just a peddler of BMWs and Audi's who stumbled into this chat room.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    The new Genesis is what the MKS should have been - rear wheel drive, V8, loaded with fancy features, and (from the photos) excellent looks. As I indicated some time ago, I was looking forward to the MKS, but then upon seeing it at the LA Auto Show, and now comparing it to the Genesis, think it will be another car like the Volvo S80 (see the most recent Consumer Reports as just one example of how the S80 does against the competition).
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    The new Genesis is what the MKS should have been - rear wheel drive, V8, loaded with fancy features, and (from the photos) excellent looks

    I don't think anyone here would disagree. But that doesn't make the MKS bad, or wrong. Lincoln's current demise was caused by years of mismanagement (in PAG, out of PAG, out to California, back to Detroit, in Europe, out of Europe) and by the lack of corporate investment in RWD platforms.

    Given that the only real option available to the engineers was the D3 - what would you have done differently? We know the styling was locked in before the MKR was conceived so they only had time to incorporate the grille, but they still get credit for using unique sheetmetal.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    Or will they get cheap and do a thinly disguised, rebadged clone of the Flex, by hanging a big grill and a bunch of chrome on it.

    It's been widely reported that the MKT (that will be the name according to insider reports) will be even more different from the Flex than the MKS is from the Taurus. Not just unique sheetmetal but drastically different styling inside and out. Supposedly the rear hatch is really different. This type of vehicle is a must for Lincoln to keep the folks who want to downgrade from a Navigator/Escalade to a CUV with better fuel economy and ride but still has 3rd row seating. It will also serve as a stepup from the MKX (which should get unique styling, a hybrid and some of the MKS techno-goodies in the next 1-2 years). We'll see at least a concept version of the MKT before the auto show season ends in April.

    And the RWD V8 MKR is coming - rumors suggest sooner than was first thought. Which implies they've found a way to do it on a current platform rather than wait for a new global RWD platform to be developed from scratch. Could be an existing Aussie platform, reworked Mustang platform or possibly a D3 converted to RWD - that rumor has persisted for several months including a RWD D3 based Explorer replacement.

    2008 will tell us where Ford is headed and we'll finally get to see some of the outputs of Fields/Mulally. I like what I've heard and what I've seen so far.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490

    Bllleeeccccchhhhh. err errr errrrr yyyuuuukkkk.

    Sorry, lost my lunch on that one.
  • That's good to hear. I hadn't heard the MKT, but I did hear that there was going to be a more significant difference from the Ford variant than one would normally expect. But when you say 'drastically different styling inside and out', I wonder how drastic it could be. Typically, everything between the A pillar and the C pillar (in the case of this 2 box design, the D pillar) is usually too expensive for most manufacturers to really alter, save creases, beltlines and door skins. And given Ford's financial situation right now, one would think that they probably would not expend those kinds of funds. But they can do a lot fore of the A pillar, the rear facia, and door skins. And of course the world is wide-open when it comes to the interior redesigning, engineering tweaks, and techno-goodies.

    The MKR has to be RWD, and has to be V8, anything short of those two things would be a massive blunder. I've heard rumors of sooner than later as well, but nothing locked in yet. A RWD conversion of the D3 platform can have engineering challenges and would be expensive. A new RWD platform from scratch would be even more expensive. Again, given Ford's financial limitations right now neither of those scenarios seems likely. A re-worked Mustang platform is probably the cheapest answer, but also the more restrictive, given that platforms flexibility limitations. The Aussie platform is a good one and already exists, plans are already in place to re-work that platform anyway, and it can more easily be widened (not just lengthened), which would allow for a much wider range of vehicle applications. So spending a little extra on that re-working might be the best alternative anyway. Ford would just have to figure out how best to increase the production volume and logistics, etcetera.

    You're right about one thing though. I believe 2008 will be the year that will tell us where Ford is heading. I to like what I've seen and heard from Ford so far. I guess it's true what they say, 'Neccessity is the mother of invention'. Ford had to adapt or die, as a result they had to throw a little caution to the wind and take some chances. It hearkens back to the early-80's. Chrysler was going through a federal government bail out, American Motors had just gone belly-up, and Ford was on the ropes and sinking fast. Chrysler launched the Caravan/Voyager minivans and Ford launched the Taurus/Sable, both cars arguably saved their respective companies. But neither would have been produced had the economics been different. Well, here we are again! You'd think that these guys would have learned some lessons. I think the Flex, MKS, and MKR could very well be Ford's new saviors. I sure hope so. It's an American Pride thing.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    Typically, everything between the A pillar and the C pillar (in the case of this 2 box design, the D pillar) is usually too expensive for most manufacturers to really alter, save creases, beltlines and door skins.

    Actually, "usually too expensive for most manufacturers" is misstating reality, except largely for recent Ford practices. And that is changing with them too, thankfully. The MKS and Taurus share none of those things you say are typically shared. The roof, glass, windshields, door pillars, everything is altered, even though they are based on the same architecture.

    Other manufacturers have been able to do this differentiation for years. Look at the Dodge Calibur and Jeep Patriot. Same vehicle but they do not share windshields, door frames, roofs, hatch, nothing exterior. And they are mere economy models. Look at the vast difference in sheet metal, profiles, door frames, etc. among the Impala, Grand Prix, and LaCrosse. Or the Lucerne and the Caddy DTS. Or the Pontiac G6 and the previous generation Malibu Maxx or the 08 Malibu. Even the Buick Enclave and Saturn Outlook share little in the way of exterior metal. Hyundai and Kia comparable models have gotten away from such obvious sharing of sheet metal too. Your own Audi A3 and VW Golf, though the same platform, share nothing on the exterior.

    Lincoln can and will do this too from now on. Mercury will be left as the only full clone division, and you know how little respect (and sales) Mercury has been getting lately, in spite of styling that is probably better than the comparable Ford and high reliability. It has become a nothing division, and Lincoln had been on that road.

    Lincoln is now backtracking toward Lincoln-ness. Remember, even though the Crown Vic and Town Car are the same underneath. they have always shared not one exterior panel, not even the windshields are the same. This is how it must be for Lincoln to have that special presence that will serve it so much better than products like the MKZ (which if Ford hadn't been so strapped for putting out anything, would have made a terrific Mercury)..
  • I recently had the chance to sit inside an MKZ and MKX to really check out the fit and finish of each vehicles interior, and I came away with an impression that was nothing short of appalling. The MKZ suffers from too much hard plastic, especially the center console with the exposed cup holders, as well as too much silver plastic for my taste. The MKX interior left me with a worse impression, since I was expecting more from it after believing it looked nice in photographs. There was hard plastic in that interior, and surprisingly enough, the separate hood that covers the gauge cluster that appears to be stitched leather is actually hard plastic with faux stitching (think Saturn Aura door panels). The seats in that car felt somewhat cheap as well, and overall, that interior does not belong in a $35,000+ luxury crossover, just as the interior of the MKZ has no business being inside a luxury sedan starting at $30K. In comparison, I sat inside a 2008 Hyundai Sonata (I'm in South Korea, btw), and was much more impressed with its' interior than what was inside the pair of Lincoln's. The interior was much more aesthetically pleasing, with more soft touch materials on the dash and door panels, much better looking faux wood, quality plastics; and even though there were some silver plastics/hard plastics on the center stack/console, the overall feeling of high quality was there inside that $22,000+ family sedan, and was definitely more impressive than the $30,000+ MKX and MKZ.

    This brings me to what I want to ask: Does the MKS have a good enough interior to battle the big boys? In Lincoln's unveiling, they kept on stressing the use of top grade materials for the interior, however, some in the automotive press claimed that the interior was good, but not as spectacular as Lincoln's claims would have you believe. Has anyone here had the chance to check out the pre-production model at the L.A. Autoshow? What were your feelings about the interior, and how do you think it will compare to the likes of the CTS, B8 A4, C-Class, as well as some lower priced competitors in the mid-sized segment like STS, 6-cylinder 5er/A6/GS, as well as the upcoming Hyundai Genesis? I certainly believe the Hyundai Genesis will be the MKS's biggest threat and most compared to competitor, since they have the projected pricing undercutting the MKS, the right luxury features (xenon headlights, RWD, adaptive cruise control, navigation with 'i-Drive', Infinity 5.1 surround sound system, 300 HP V6/ 380 HP V8, etc), and from what I've seen done to the 2008 Sonata's interior, the Genesis WILL have a high quality interior. The MKS has a few things going for it, such as a luxury name plate (even though there is little to no brand equity behind that Lincoln badge), available AWD, and the twin-turbo V6 that will be delayed up to a year after the MKS launch (yet another lost opportunity for a stellar product launch). However,I think the interior will make or break the MKS, and if it is just another typical example of Ford complacency with yet another Ford interior stuffed inside a Lincoln vehicle, the MKS will certainly fall in the shadow of its new competition for years to come.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    The Genesis and MKS will not be cross shopped much. The Genesis is a rear drive sporting sedan that is more likely to go up against Infiniti, or even BMW for those looking for both a bargain and good dynamics.

    The MKS is like a Town sporting pretentions but rather more soft coddling luxury. Plus it is a much bigger barge than the Genesis, is front wheel drive, taller, and overall more sedate. It may bring in a few younger buyers than Town Car did, but it won't appeal to many Genesis shoppers.
  • cowbellcowbell Posts: 125
    Ahh, the hard plastic argument again. Have you looked at the center stacks of the MKZ's competitors price wise?

    Acura TL: Hard plastic!! Shiny, hard plastic even!!

    Lexus ES 350: Oh, my God! Hard plastic trim!!!

    If you look for the hard plastics, they're in ALL cars at this price point.

    As for aesthetics, that is completely personal, but when I look at the Sonata and the MKZ, the MKZ has clean, coherent style, while the Sonata looks like three different people designed the center stack, but never talked to each other. The HVAC controls, the vents, and the radio controls all look like they were hacked in from different cars.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    First off, this is the MKS forum, isn't it.

    Secondly, of course all cars have hard plastics in their interiors. I think you miss the point. Hard plastic is expected around controls, buttons, radios, etc. However, when you touch a door panel and encounter hard plastic, that feels more like rental machine than luxury car. Ditto for points on the dash board and console that are soft touch on higher level cars. You cannot compare this sort of feel from photos.

    Additionally, the Sonata is not a near luxury car, but if you look at the 2008 interior (much improved) it could give that impression.

    Anyway, don't be so defensive. The MKZ (dumb name) was a good stop-gap effort from what was a dying division. In a better world, it would have made a terrific mid-size Mercury. I think you'll see a completely revamped and improved interior, more akin to the MKS, in 2009.
  • To a large degree you are right in what you're saying. What I am saying is that the most expensive part of the car to change is the part between the A pillar and the C or D pillars, and that too often manufacturers choose to message the face end and [non-permissible content removed] end of the cars and call them re-designed. Ford is probably the biggest culprit of that, especially lately, but most others have engaged too heavily in it as well. Yes the platform can be the same, and most of the tooling between the pillars can be the same as well (under the skin). But depending on how much money a manufacturer is willing to spend, even on just the skin, can often determine the perceived differences from the lay vantage point. Ford has tried to get by on the cheap for a long time. It's about time they put some more of their precious few resources into making some of their new products, like the MKS, more distinctive. It is either that or die a slow death.

    For Mercury to survive, it too will need a little more massaging between the pillars as well, to differentiate it from it's Ford siblings. In fact they need to engineer more luxury and distinctiveness into the Mercury line-up to move it uptown a bit more, as GM has done with the Buick. And Lincoln needs to move a bit more uptown as well, to better compete with Cadillac and the Japanese luxury marquess. Lincoln is not strong enough as a brand yet to survive in Lincoln only dealer points. So either creating stronger Lincoln and Mercury brands or dualing Lincoln with Ford are the only short &/or mid term fixes for FOMOCO. Building the image of Lincoln as a brand through product product alone will take too long. Their dealers would not survive without Mercury or dualing with Ford. Dualing with the Ford brand would only serve to lower Lincoln's image further and faster. Putting more money into distinctive, further uptown products for both will achieve their goal of corporate viability sooner. It's a good thing that Lincoln is backtracking to Lincoln-ness, Ford ought to let Mercury start backtracking to Mercury-ness, and truly become Ford division's uptown sister it once was, and needs to be. You're right when you say that the MKZ would have made a terrific Mercury. The Milan should have been a lot closer to what the MKZ is now, and the MKZ should have been a lot more distictive and luxurious than it is now. But who knows, maybe one day they might get it right, assuming they're able to survive that long. I sure hope so, We just went up to the 'Big 3' American manufacturers again, I'd hate to see us become the 'Big 2' again, especially since I believe Chrysler will ultimately be sold off again, which would then make it the 'Big 1'.
  • Yeah. I thought this was the MKS forum as well.

    But since they're on the subject, professork is right as are you greg vw, there is a lot of hard plastic in many more cars than just the MKZ and MKX. But Lincoln has been doing a much better job with interiors than they had been, and overall I'm impressed with their progress. My Audi interiors are still more to my liking, but they are heading in the right direction. And once again I agree that it's not whether or not you have hard plastic or not, it's how and where you use it. A luxury car should have a luxury feel and touch. I will say this, I was impressed by what I saw in the MKS as far as interior execution and feel, still not up to Audi standards, but a strong step forward. One other observation though, each of the newer Lincolns (MKZ, MKZ, and MKS) appear to be priced thousands of dollars less than their Japanese luxury competitors, and offer a few extra toys that are not available on them. Not quite as low as the Hyundai price point, but not quite Lexus/Infiniti price point either.

    I haven't seen the '08 Sonata's interior, but the old one just from professork's pics, does look pretty cobbled up. But the Koreans are learning fast. In fact I think the Japanese are glancing back over their shoulders at the Koreans, because they're running up on the Japanese pretty fast.

    I love my Audis and BMWs, and at least at this point, wouldn't consider a Korean car. GM and Chrysler both make a few really nice cars that I'd probably be proud to own. I just have a soft spot for FOMOCO of all the American manufacturers, and hope they succeed in their comeback efforts. Also they just happened to have their exhibit next to ours at the San Francisco Auto Show, so I had the opportunity to get a rare hands on tour of their new MKS. Not quite an Audi A6, but based on 1st impressions, definitely a car I would not be disappointed to own; subject to a real life test drive, of course.

    I also agree, the nomenclature Lincoln is using is dumb and confusing. MK-LT, MKZ, MKX, MKS, MKR and the upcoming MKT (variant of the Ford Flex), a little too much MK there for me. But maybe they'd better stay with it than to try to go through a whole new re-naming charade.
  • cowbellcowbell Posts: 125
    Sorry about getting continuing off subject there.... (though I want to through in agreement that I dislike Lincoln's naming scheme.)

    Back to the MKS: Is anyone planning on going to the Detroit autoshow? I'm wondering if the MKS will be available to sit in. I doubt it, but if someone makes it down there, please let us know. I plan on attending the Washington show at the end of January, and was curious if the MKS would be open to the public?
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,993
    Saw some pics on the Lincoln, website and thought it was awesome. Myself would want the twin-turbo 350-400 hp. version later to come out. :shades:

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    Just when you thought it was safe........

    :P ;)
  • I heard that Jeyhoe contacted John Walsh at "America's Most Wanted." ;)
  • Rocky, if I recall correctly, you were pretty impressed with the S80 but concluded that it got a bit spendy by the time you equipped it with all the options you want. I personally think the MKS is much better alternative. Plenty of the gadgetology that you like and a lower price.

    I would prefer the twin-turbo, also, but I don't want to wait for it. The base V6 version doesn't excite me much from a mechanical standpoint but I will be among the first in line to test drive one when they are introduced.

    We recently bought my wife a new Taurus with the 3.5. It is definately faster than my old LS V8, except maybe in the 80-100 MPH range where it really doesn't matter very often. I am expecting the base 3.7 MKS to be a bit quicker than the Taurus in the low to mid range. I still think the base MKS should have gotten DI and around 300 HP/280 lbs/ft to be competitive in today's marketplace.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Just read some stuff in C&D about the MKS. Does Lincoln really think that a FWD Luxury car can be taken seriously? I never was a Ford fan, but with every single other flagship luxury sedan being RWD, I'm not sure how they plan to compete. Heck even the Genesis will have RWD + V8!

  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    Wow, Mike, New Year's Eve and you are posting a message on a car forum? I admire your dedication!

    I doubt if C & D or any of the enthusiast press will take the MKS seriously. That doesn't mean there won't be buyers. I am a Ford fan and I am not happy with the current state of affairs with Lincoln and I know I am not alone in that regard.

    Rather than look at what the MKS is not, I prefer to look at what it is - more car for the money than other so-called entry level luxury cars like the ES350. In my opinion, it is what the MKZ should have been. I am not sure it makes sense to have both the Z and the S. Their missions seem very close to me but the S is a much better effort.

    If they could have had the twin-turbo and a sport package ready in time for the launch of the MKS, it would have garnered more favorable attention from the enthusiast press. As it is, I am afraid it will remind many of the launch of the Zephyr - too little, too late.

    We need the MKR pronto! In the meantime, I will still give the MKS a chance.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yeah around here too many DWIs on the road for me to head out. :)

    I'll readily admit that I'm no Ford fan. As an entry level the MKS would be ok, but right now it's all they have really in terms of sedans. I'd like to see Lincoln come out with a nice full-size RWD based (with AWD optional) car that can take on the STS, 5 or 7 series, E/S series etc.

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