Stories from the Sales Frontlines

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  • epineyepiney Member Posts: 462
    C'mon don't fall for that. They have to be over charging for the rubber.

    Costco has pretty competitive prices for tires. Now the skill of the techs I will not comment on.
  • epineyepiney Member Posts: 462
    Not all gas stations, some try to charge you for it. Fifty cents for the first 3 3/4 tires... then another 50 cents to finish the job.

    Doesn't that drive you nuts? I have an air compressor now. Saves the hassle and I can inflate when tires are cold in my garage.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    I have an air compressor now. Saves the hassle and I can inflate when tires are cold in my garage.

    In my burg when the true gas stations went the way of the get gas/convenience foods, I also bought an air compressor for this reason and for pneumatic air tools. So, I thank them for pushing me to get something I meant to buy for years.

    Those nail guns are great. :D

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,617
    Just about every one I go to will give free air to customers. Usually just ask the person behind the counter, most places have it set up where the clerk can press a button to activate the pump for a freebee for customers.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    By law in California, air is free if you purchase gas.

    But isn't it a real PITA to drive around all the people picketing the air machine claiming that it releases air into the air accelerating the green house effect and global warning. :D
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,745
    Here all you do is ask the clerk at the fast mart to turn on the air pump for you and you don't have to insert quarters. They have an inside control for the unit.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • peetertpeetert Member Posts: 124
    I've used Costco for the last few tires purchases for our cars. I've never had an issue and they have always been timely. Plus, with the $60 off coupons they run, definitely a good deal.

    Once I actually got done with my shopping earlier and came back as they were finishing my car. When the tech finished, the supervisor came by with a torque wrench and checked all the lugs. I've never seen Sears or anywhere else do that. In fact at Sears I had to tell the service writer they never changed my valve stems even though I had paid for new ones. They took that charge off without blinking (makes you wonder).

    Also, we ran over a nail about a month after getting new tires and went back to get the tire fixed. Damaged the sidewall so we got a new tire at no charge (and Free Nitrogen too!)

    Peeter
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,745
    Consumers Report

    This is a rare time I accept CR and their analysis. The show a trivial smaller diffusion of N2 molecules compared to 78% N2 and 21% O2. Since most of the air is N2 anyhow there is NO advantage for auto tires. Diffusion of air through the inner layers depends on the quality of the inner layers the tire manufacturer chooses.

    All tires should be checked monthly for proper tire pressure. So the CR test showed 2.2 pounds in one year instead of 3.5 pounds loss in one year for air. Most drivers would have refilled presssures at season temperature drops, like now in Ohio, and the N2 use is moot.

    "Put "Nitrogen in Tires" with the simple touch of your finger and generate an "Average Profit Margin" of 1000% to 3000% on each service!" This is the real story. The website shows how much profit is to be made buying your own generator. Nitrogen profit machine "..., it's like having a money tree in the back of the shop!"

    The sites also mention 95% purity of N2; that means there is still 5% O2 and other trivial gases in the mix. The only way to actually get true benefit (if it's real for consumer tires to begin with) is to use commercially-supplied tanks of N2. Doing it yourself is like spraying on 3M seat protector and charging $100 for spot/stain protection. Silly.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    From ‘greenpea’s post 20476: “Every 10 degrees the tempature changes you loose one PSI, which I am sure the engineers already know.”

    It's been over 15 years since I did any real engineering, so maybe JM can help me here, but I would think that any difference in pressure change with temperature difference would be negligible. The variation in must people's 4 tires is probably larger.

    I missed this one. Didn’t realize you were talking to me. :(

    What ‘greanpea’ said is correct, at least this is what I’ve heard and read from tire engineers. It’s way too difficult to prove these values without a lab. So, since it makes sense, given what I know about the laws of physics, I believe this.

    Under inflation is the major cause of tire failure and blowouts. This is because the sidewalls of a tire flex considerably more than a properly inflated tire, which in turn creates tremendous heat leading to a blowout. However, unless you are already approaching serious under inflation (around 25/30 %, again from these same articles) and will be doing sustained high speed interstate driving this decrease in pressure due to a temperature drop will most likely not be any cause for concern regarding safety, given the tire is not otherwise compromised. It will, depending on the car, and the way you drive, cause drastic tire wear compared to a properly inflated tire driven under the same conditions.

    Like you said in a previous post, it’s always best to check tire pressure when they are at ambient temperature. For most of us this would be the fist thing in the morning after the car has sat overnight.

    Class over. I hope you guys are paying attention because I’ll probably give a pop quiz post before you go home today and to make it even more interesting, 'richard' is going to check your spelling/grammar/punctuation. :D

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • rowlandjrowlandj Member Posts: 254
    You could consider putting an inner-tube in that tire to lock off the slow leak. I have heard of folks doing this with good success in the past under circumstances as you describe.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,745
    >$149 extra?

    Not surprising. The obnoxious salesman at the local dealership told me the $600 charge on the sticker for the Scion was for "unwrapping the car." I looked at him to see if he was just stupid or zonked out on something for thinking a normal person would believe that.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    The obnoxious salesman at the local dealership told me the $600 charge on the sticker for the Scion was for "unwrapping the car."

    Reminds me of a joke

    One time back in the 40's these two Alabama Red Necks went to to buy a new car. They had $300 to spend and needed something they could hall feed and what not in and still carry kids.

    So they pull up to a used car lot and there sits a 1936 Ford Woody style station wagon for $300 and they said, "we will take it"

    Well they got it home tore all the wood off the side of it, looked at each other and said, "The damn thing looked a hell of allot better before we took it out of the box".
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    "The damn thing looked a hell of allot better before we took it out of the box".

    Sooooooo...it's going to be another Friday like this. :(

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,745
    We're open to stories about car sales experiences. I can add my shopping experiences in the last few days as I'm looking at used cars to pick up a third vehicle.

    I've been chased while rolling slowly in my car through the used car lot rows by a salesman. I've been amazed by how quickly a salesman can get to my car; often before I close my door to look at the inside and window sticker of a used car. Who says customer service is dead.

    I've had dumb looks from used salesmen when they ask what kind of car I'm looking for and I say a car with 4 wheels. They look like I'm totally insane.

    I explain I can buy a new one, recent used, older used, and I'm just looking at what's around. I've had a few salespeople who directly talk about what I'm looking at instead of trying to sell me everything else on the lot.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • mattgg1mattgg1 Member Posts: 191
    "Sure it's a loss. Even figuring in holdback and finacial reserve it's a negative deal. She also paid cash for the car and didn't buy any after market or extended warranties."

    For mackabee and ALL of the sales folks here...

    Why sell a popular car at such a big loss???? I don't understand. Please explain.

    Mackabee's only explanation was "to get [the deal] over with." But it's supposedly a popular car, so why not just wait and sell it for a profit to someone else?

    The Prius was a negative deal, and not a small one at that, a big $1100 loser. The idea of any business is to make money, so the people running your dealership are (by definition) a bunch of IDIOTS!

    If the owners/managers do this on a regular basis, the dealership isn't going to be around much longer, and Mackabee better start looking for a new job!

    Salespeople...

    This is a prefect example of why us consumers come to you with such lowball offers! We would be stupid NOT to demand/expect to purchase a car for less than dealer cost.

    If a large Toyota dealer is willing to take an $1100 loss on a popular vehicle, then most consumers should be able to find a dealer to do the same for their car of choice.

    I read a lot about how salespeople hate customers who make ridiculously low offers and insist on buying cars below cost. We're thought of as stupid/ignorant for thinking we could possibly by a car for that price.

    But this post proves that we are pefectly justified in expecting a loser deal, because the dealerships are dumb enough to sell cars for a loss.
  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    mackabee already said it's the stupid internet department who gives consumers ridiculously low offers that the salesperson has to honor.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,346
    I am not a salesman but here is a quick story on "selling at a loss" My parents got an insane deal on their Highlander they drive now. When talking about it, friends of theirs went over to the same dealer and salesperson to get the same deal. Guess what? No go... why? It was the end of the month in January, and the dealer didn't sell a single car that day. Its all relative, maybe Mack's dealer needed one more Prius to hit a bonus. $1100 loss could have equaled $200 extra per vehicle sold that month or something along those lines.

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart

  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    Why sell a popular car at such a big loss????

    Because they wanted to.

    We sell 1800-2200 units a year. Some we hit out of the park, some we strike out looking. There are times when we sell prime merchandise at a loss and there are times when we sell cold metal for a huge profit. Maybe the MGR on Mack's deal needed one more to hit a spiff that day, or needed one more to keep his job, maybe Toyota works the same way Ford does now and works on a turn and earn basis, the more you sell of a particular product the more we are going to supply you with. If I have a product that I average $2000 a copy on and I can sell all I can get I will gladly let one lose at the end of the week if that means the manufacture is going to plus me 5 more on next weeks allocation.
    But the fact of that matter is that Mack does not need to justify why his place of business made the business decision they did. They decided it was the best course of action and the only person who really knows why is the guy penciling the deal.
  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    When Mack sold at a loss it leaves me wondering if he made negative 25% or negative 30% or the gross loss on the sale. Did the dealership take your personal check or did you have to finance the money you owed the dealership? If so, what rate did you get?

    2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Its all relative, maybe Mack's dealer needed one more Prius to hit a bonus. $1100 loss could have equaled $200 extra per vehicle sold that month or something along those lines.

    I couldn’t agree more. I’ve said this before but since we are slow on sales tales and this subject has come up again, I’ll repeat again my buying tale.

    We’ve all heard timing is everything and I got lucky once (bought either the 28th or 29th of April 2005) but only because the dealer wasn’t able to make the delivery like he said he could. That was not my fault, it was his and it cost him.

    For those who want to know what I’m talking about, go to:

    “Purchasing Strategies – Questions & Success Stories” post 2599 (and some subsequent posts. Like I said it’s slow here, right?)

    Sometimes you’re the bug and sometimes you’re the windshield.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    , maybe Toyota works the same way Ford does now and works on a turn and earn basis, the more you sell of a particular product the more we are going to supply you with.

    They do operate that way. My GMs first auto sales job was with a Toyota Dealer many years ago.

    Now guess what happens when you take half the staff of a Toyota Dealer and transplant them into a Land Rover store.

    Total disaster. A new Rover store that opened up about a year ago out of our state but in our region is run entirely by former Toyota dealership staff. They are just making stupid deals out there and screwing the whole market up. They are selling a whole lot of cars but there are still two other dealers selling more vehicles and holding more gross. In less then a year they have succeeded in bringing the average gross for this whole market down by almost 1,000 dollars.
  • epineyepiney Member Posts: 462
    but I would think that any difference in pressure change with temperature difference would be negligible. The variation in must people's 4 tires is probably larger.

    I missed this one. Didn’t realize you were talking to me.

    What ‘greanpea’ said is correct, at least this is what I’ve heard and read from tire engineers. It’s way too difficult to prove these values without a lab. So, since it makes sense, given what I know about the laws of physics, I believe this.


    Sorry, I realized my post was not clear. I meant to say that the difference in pressure change and with temperature change would be negligible between nitrogen and air. Of course there will be pressure change with temp with the simplest formula, PV=nRT. I have forgetten all of the more complicated thermodynamic formulae.

    Gee, I also did not realize the N2 was only 95% that some shops provide. Thst's what's generally referred to as "waste nitrogen" from the plants. The pure stuff 99.9x%is pulled off the top of a distillation column in liquid form.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    In less then a year they have succeeded in bringing the average gross for this whole market down by almost 1,000 dollars.

    I can understand why you don't like this but I'm sure buyers like it.

    I for one like the free enterprise system.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    I know how you feel. Our store managers are a bunch of transplants from VW stores. We have a couple that been Toyota guys their whole career but even they have lost their mind. My old GSM is at another store and he's got them rocking and rolling. Making the big volume stores look bad since he's hitting their objectives continuously. I wish I could go work for him if I didn't have so much invested in this store. Sometimes I wonder whether it's worth it to stick around.
    Mack
  • mattgg1mattgg1 Member Posts: 191
    Its all relative, maybe Mack's dealer needed one more Prius to hit a bonus. $1100 loss could have equaled $200 extra per vehicle sold that month or something along those lines.

    I agree with this statement as well. In fact, my first post asking Mack about this $1100 loss, I said...

    "My guess is that it's not really a loss. I'm sure once everything factored in (holdback, incentives, ect.), it was not nearly a $1000 loser."

    So after all of the variables are factored in(holdback/incentives/bonuses/spiffs/ect.), I didn't feel it was such a loser.

    However, according to Mack, it was truely a loser. I'm just going by what he said.
  • donaldarvisdonaldarvis Member Posts: 11
    I think the one overwhelming perspective that is overlooked in this forum is that in any given auto dealers sales department you have three different groups with three totally different objectives sometimes working with and sometimes working against each other. First off, I have only worked at Luxury dealers (2) but I have worked both new/used and currently work at a straight sell with little to no managment interaction/T.O. I much prefer the straight sell concept to a standard sales floor with it's various levels of managment involvment. With that said any consumer who thinks that the dealership owner/upper managment, middlemanagement/floor managers, and salespeople have the same objectives needs to be committed. We would all like to hide under the umbrella of "great customer service" and "treat everyone like family," but the reality of this business is that all but the most senior salespeople are disposable along with all middlemanagement at any given time. This leads to a sales approach that is focused on short term gains such as selling a certain # of units to hit goal regardless of price/value, and icing on the cake deals that are accepted to add to the next commission check of all involved. If the auto business ran on the concepts and principles of any other successful retail business (shocker! we are just another retail business)we would all have greater job security, fatter wallets, and confidence in our product/service to not devalue it every 30 days!
  • gogiboygogiboy Member Posts: 732
    Carhag--

    Not to borrow trouble, but what happens if his trade car isn't as described? Did the buyer have to offer some assurances or money down to protect your dealership from putting 500 miles on a new Cayenne if the buyer suddenly gets cold feet? Does an IHOP become the F & I Office?

    I hope it all works out.

    Gogiboy
  • advequityguyadvequityguy Member Posts: 138
    why lose $1100 on a popular car? 5 words, Sir. "A whackin on the Backin".

    Keep you eye on the price. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Mack said they paid cash.

    Its just typical big mass market store stupidity.
  • master_ryumaster_ryu Member Posts: 47
    If you bought a new car with dealer financing, does the dealer get penalized by the bank if you pay off the loan early (with auto refinancing). And when I say early I mean within the next two months. Also, will the finance guy at the dealer be notified that one of his "loans" was paid off like say a week after the car was purchased? Would he care? I know, weird questions.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,506
    "...I didn't feel it was such a loser..."

    Years ago I bought a Toyota and after jacking up the price $500 over his initial quote the salesman told me "You probably won't believe this but we're losing $750 on this deal".

    He was right,I didn't. :mad:

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • stubborn1stubborn1 Member Posts: 85
    I don't work for a dealer, but my wife worked in dealer finance and she explained it something like this: If the original loan was paid off within 3 months of opening it, the dealer would loose whatever spiff the leading companying was offering.

    It may vary by financial institution, but the 3 month period seemed to be the norm.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Not to borrow trouble, but what happens if his trade car isn't as described? Did the buyer have to offer some assurances or money down to protect your dealership from putting 500 miles on a new Cayenne if the buyer suddenly gets cold feet?

    I also thought of this. Then I reasoned (hopefully not incorrectly, for him) that he had this all figured out and it was worth the risk. The post showed up here on November 1st but I’m sure the plan was to count this sale for the month of October. I’ve heard and I can believe this happens all the time.

    Now, the real question is; would he have done this on October 15th ? The answer could be “yes” if it was a “whale”, otherwise I think not.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    They won't notify him personally but he will figure it out when he gets charged back on his pay check and goes and ask the controler for a list of what he got charged back on.

    90 days is the norm.
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    I read a lot about how salespeople hate customers who make ridiculously low offers and insist on buying cars below cost. We're thought of as stupid/ignorant for thinking we could possibly by a car for that price.

    But this post proves that we are perfectly justified in expecting a loser deal, because the dealerships are dumb enough to sell cars for a loss.

    Good point. You're sure not going to get below invoice unless you ask... macabee's post shows if you're in the right spot at the right time, and are willing to negotiate hard, then a killer deal may be yours for the taking... even on "popular" cars.

    To me $1,500 below invoice would have been a ridiculous lowball offer on the Prius. Heck, even Hyundai's (jmonroe/snake) aren't discounted that much without incentives. I always thought holdback minus $400 would be a good starting point for most $20k makes and models.

    So, we consumers learned a valuable lesson today. Even though demand may be high on a popular vehicle, there still is a chance of getting a super low price. Thanks mac! ;)
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    Ya, thanks Mac :cry::)
  • carhag2000carhag2000 Member Posts: 207
    Now, the real question is; would he have done this on October 15th ? The answer could be “yes” if it was a “whale”, otherwise I think not

    Believe it or not it was not whale...Less than 500 gross. But a 120 day old unit. Today was my day off and a road trip was what I needed to clear the cobwebs of October. He had sent several pics inside and out of the trade and we appraised it with this in mind. As far as driving, I took a 2004 Porsche Cayenne and brought back a 2006 Lincoln MK LT 4X4. The Porsche in my opinjon was a superior vehicle. One of the easiest transactions I have ever completed. He hadnt even sat in the drivers seat before we did paperwork and exchanged check.

    Except for getting up at the butt crack of dawn, it was smooth sailing.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Believe it or not it was not whale...Less than 500 gross. But a 120 day old unit.

    Except for getting up at the butt crack of dawn, it was smooth sailing.

    Congratulations.

    However my question was, were you willing to make this deal now because it was the end of the month (and did it count for October even though you did the sale in November) vs. doing this same deal in the middle of October?

    I realize that either way you made a sale, just curious as to what month it was posted against.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,233
    Just goes to show, you never know if they'll accept an offer until you make it.

    RIght place, right time, right circumstance, who knows what they will/won't accept. Throw it out there and see if it sticks. Certainly, from the car sales side, they do that all the time.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Look at what Mack found for us image

    FWIW, I'm the one that deleted posts 20544 and 20545 trying to post this. :(

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    Look at what Mack found for us

    LOL... looks all too familiar.

    I'm going to have to "edumacate" myself on how to post those emotioncons one of these days, you guys are having to much fun. :)
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    they could hall feed and

    Surely you meant "haul" ;)
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    And I think you are just trying to stir the pot again...

    You're right, now I am. image

    Blame Mack, he found this for me. :blush:

    (My apologies Mack, I should have thanked you a few posts back but better late than never.) :D

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Angie comes over does her spill and tells me she will probably get the Lo-Jack and paint protection. "Are you sure you can install Lo-Jack on a hybrid?" I ask since I'm concerned about getting electrical problems started by introducing something foreign to the car. "You can do it to any car" she says. "Where did she go?" I ask her. "She's gone she says she will be by tomorrow." So I run out to the parking lot and call her. "Hey, remember I won't be here tomorrow so Rich will handle the delivery. However, if you have any questions call me on Saturday and I can go over the car with you some more." She leaves and I head home and get ready for my next day chemo. I have to be at the hospital at 7:30 for the second round. Later in the day I text Rich and ask if my lady has picked up her car yet. "Nope, came in talked to Jason and backed out of the deal." he replies. So I get on the phone and call even though we aren't supposed to use our cell phones in the infusion clinic. "What on earth happened?" I ask. "She looked at the used 07 on the pad so I tried to switch her to that one." he says. "Why! she's done on the 08." I exclaim. "The used one we'll make a $400.00 comission on. It's used 80 day old unit." he replies. "So you just blew the sale for both us! Damn Rich! I was there till 10:30 last night, closed the deal. All you had to do was get the car cleaned up and deliver it. and you blew it!" I exclaim. "Jason is talking to her now, looks like she's going with the blue one." image

    I get off the phone and get a call from another salesperson about the Blue Prius. "Hey Mack, where's the keys to the blue prius in the showroom." "Showroom, what the heck is the car doing in the showroom.?" I ask. "They told me the customer backed out so they put it inside since it's nice and shiny." he says. "See Jason before you do anything with the car. They are talking her back into the deal." I tell him. Rich calls me back about an hour later to tell me she has taken delivery of the vehicle. "Dude,what a strange lady! She's finally gone." he says, "She's no stranger than you. She just wanted someone who would listen and understand her. Remember she was just in a car accident and had a head injury. You just have to be patient." I tell him and ask "did she buy the Lo-Jack or paint?" "Nope. She may do it later." he replies. "Alright, I'll see you on Saturday." I'll have the rest of the story tomorrow.
    STAY TUNED.......
  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    No I meant hall, its an Alabama joke :D
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    We were hoping to break even on the back end (finance, warranty, mop and glow, rust and dust, etc.) but it didn't happen. Plus it's the day before the last day of the month. Our nearest competitor is like 25 cars ahead of us so desperation on mgmt. side has set in. Lesson learned: She was at the right time at the right place with the right salesperson.
    Mackabee
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Thank you.
    :)
    Mackabee
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    I got a mini deal and to top it off it's a split deal. So yes, sometimes I just want to move forward and get it over with. The old time on investment thing. I hope she doesn't crush us on the survey. I'll work on that side since the car will be RDR'd in my name.
    :(
    Mackabee
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    There's no spiffs or incentives on Prius. This is a car that can be sold at MSRP all day long. It's when they put idiots in charge that the market gets all screwed up.image Everyone I sold a Prius to in September was at full pop or maybe a token $300-500 off MSRP. image I can't wait until the day that Toyota goes the way of Scion with pure pricing. They'll probably lower the profit margins but it will be much better for all involved.image
    Mackabee
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,506
    "...would he have done this on October 15th?..."yes" if it was a "whale"..."

    I just can't believe that the car business is so short sighted that you can only get a good deal at the end of the month. If this was the case why wouldn't every customer wait until the last day of the month and mob the place?

    How about if you order a car and have to wait two months for delivery? Would that be better done at the end of the month? Would you get the whale or the mini treatment?

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

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