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I will be out your way this week (visiting the "Burgh"), so if you need someone to verify your claims about the new car, I can squeeze in the time.
Just swing by U of Pitt on Friday. I will be there all day visiting with my sone (he was accepted, and is trying to decide where to go). Or we are free on Thursday night, so no problem if you want to come into town and buy us an expensive dinner!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
w/o seatbelts
This one is 3 minutes but explains why you need a shoulder belt too, or your body will stop, but your organs will keep moving at 60 mph.
the morgue
Hopefully, that is the end of the topic for me.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
We are going to visit Vanderbilt, next week.. even though my son is in the class of 2012.. can't hurt to get started!
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Of course, if I was driving that far, I would probably have to go shop for a new car first...
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You are so right. Humor can be used to insult the best of people. The crazy thing is that the insulted laugh it off or don't realize that they have been insulted. :confuse:
Richard
Richard
His point is in your post. See the last line of paragraph eleven that you wrote. Since you agree on that point, I think that he will sign the peace treaty. :P If he refuses, I'll have to take a knife to his ragtop. :surprise: No! I couldn't do that to him.
Richard
Good.......if that's his point then I'll sign the peace treaty.
Still would like to know why he doesn't think seatbelts are useful (I think he said he was ok after an accident in which he did not wear seatbelts - I could be wrong) and why does he think Lady D should have realized her driver was drunk?
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
My congrats to your son being accepted to PITT. Both of my sons got their MBA's there (undergrad's from Penn State). I doubt PITT would accept you since you can't even spell son (take a look at how you spelled it.
Or we are free on Thursday night, so no problem if you want to come into town and buy us an expensive dinner!
If you want to see that beauty you'll have to buy. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Excellent post, makes sense to me. I bet you're an engineer.
Aha! I always knew you were a closet "jipst" believer. You can only find the floor if you are using the "jipst method" of car buying. The true "bobst" disciples have to settle for ankle height above the floor, because they go for the lowest (take it or leave it) deal that they believe is doable.
Richard
I think where this started was;
Driver: My motto is, buy as much safety as you can afford
Snake: My motto is "It's 5 o'clock somewhere". That being said the best safety system which trumps everything else combined is the nut behind the wheel. A good defensive driving course with time behind the wheel can do wonders.
Thank you once again Richard for making sense out of nonsense......I think you must have been an excellent teacher and administrator. The basic premise of Snakes arguement I do agree with, the driver is the most important safety device. I am not sure if he agrees about safety equipment, but although I am the Safety Supervisor I am not as much of a safety maven as I pretend to be....but, I do think the more safety devices you have and use the better your chances will be in an accident.
Now, about his statement that it's always 5 o'clock somewhere............
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
BTW, I will assume that your finger slipped on "sone". :P
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Richard, I can spell. I just can't type, and I rarely bother to proof my posts. And no nice red underlines like with Word!
As to schools, he is interested in engineering, leaning to chemical. He may also end up going to med school.
He was accepted to PSU also, but it is not much of a value at the out of state rates. Nice campus though.
He also got into Bucknell, so he has 3 PA choices.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
No one can certifably stated whether it would or would not have been fatal, but I must say that death in that crash would have been likely due to striking a fixed object and massive deacceleration at that great speed. just my two cents.
We do have a wide variety of people visiting this site. What are the odds we would have an expert on crash reconstruction just happening to visit us at this particular time?
In your opinion "death was likely due to striking a fixed object and massive deacceleration at that great speed" would you say death could possibly be prevented from wearing a seatbelt. I know you don't want to say either way, because you can't possibly tell from the facts made public........but we know she didn't live without a seatbelt, is there a chance she would have lived if she was wearing a seatbelt?
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Stories...?
Had some guy inquire via our website about a certain vehicle. He left his email and phone number.
"Thanks for inquiring with us about Model X, I'm so and so, and would be more than happy help you. What sort of information can I provide you with?"
He said he marked a box indicating he didn't want to be called, so why am I calling him? I apologized and told him that my inquiry form that I received didn't show that.
He said in an angry tone "Well I don't feel like talking to you right now" and hung up. :confuse:
So I fired up an email basically typing out exactly what I wrote out above and apologizing to him for the call.
The funny thing is he responds with a normal email telling me what he wants. And he couldn't tell me that in the phone call? It would take a whole 15 seconds.
He never ended up coming in for an appointment he set up anyways, what waste of time. I just don't get people sometimes.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Just sounds like an irritable guy that wants to be in control--sometimes there's nothing wrong with being in control.
Odd your form didn't show he'd checked the box not to be called.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Sounds like me. When I don't want to talk, I will not talk. But I will happily talk on email with anybody.
Boom, I am not directing this at you, but it is just an observation I have been seeing. Some people want to converse via emails and they don't want to deal with real human beings. I think it starts at work, because the beauty of emails is that you can view them on your time and on your terms. Many people like to be organised too, and emails allow them to get their thoughts down, without the randomness of a conversation. Another big factor is control. Many people today want to be in control. As long as you are at home on your computer you are pretty much in control. If you start talking to someone, especially a salesperson, you might give up some control, and you might even commit.
Same with answering machines. Few business's have someone answering the phone any more. Ever try to talk to a buyer of a store chain? They hide behind their answering machine, and never call back.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I don't get people either and it get's old sometimes.
The really cheap people get old too. I'm not talking about "Smart Shoppers". I'm talking about people you spend a lot of time with, build a good rapport, go on demo drives etc only to find out they shopped your number to death and bought somewhere else to "save" 100.00.
I have no respect for these people and I know they don't care. It's all about the almighty dollar.
Thank you for your insight on this topic. Can I direct any posts I get from from Snake over to you? :confuse:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I have no respect for these people and I know they don't care. It's all about the almighty dollar.
Well, I really think the majority of these people are not cheap, purposefully trying to screw you out of your commission, or waste your time. They are just "ignert" of how the system works for the salesman. To them that is what a buyer is suppose to do, get a low price then find another dealership to beat it. The salesman is left out of the equation, which isn't fair. Best for you guys to diplomatically explain the process to those who may not have a clue.
He was gonna come and joy ride/test-drive a top of the line model we have that we usually don't drive unless we have a deal in place.
Last thing I need is some popmpous jerk coming in driving the crap out of my performance cars and probably telling me to get lost afterwards.
He can go waste someone else's time.
I understand people might think that car biz has slowed down, but we're not desperate to a point that we'll let people be jerks to us, and expect great service in return. They can take a hike.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
A budget issue customer will buy a base Civic over a LX or EX. Or if they must have their options, they'll go with a 1 or 2 year old car cause they seriously have a price budget.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
That said, it only happened to me once. Actually wasted a plane ticket, a night in a hotel, and a rental car charge.....only to be "stood up".
I did let the "infractioner" (sorry Richard, I couldn't think of a better word) know how displeased, put out, I was. He wouldn't answer my calls. So I had to email him my displeasure. I also let him know that it cost my company more than just petty cash since he stood me up.
When I didn't receive a response, I decided to let his boss know. That did get his attention. Within 15 minutes of him emailing his boss with my complaint, the transgressor called and apologized profusely, explaining the company doesn't do business that way.
Common courtesy....if you're asking someone for their time, whether it be an internet inquiry, a phone call, setting up a meeting time, allow the other party the courtesy of sticking to it....even if it's only to say "Thanks for the info, thanks for your time, but I'm not ready to make a decision yet."
Anything else is unsatisfactory.
I did and you agreed with me but still argued that I was wrong. :sick:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Also,you have Real world trade values and other online guides for used car and trade in values.So people have a rough estimate of their car`s value.
Sites like Carmax sell new cars ,no haggle,,so folks know what the new car`s price is.They can use these online prices to get a better deal from the dealer.
And ofcourse,,Ebay motors,,where u can buy a used car online without even seeing ti in person.I feel safer buying cars on ebay rather than buying at a dealer.The dealer`s feedback is given plus ebay has a protection guarantee.A little bit of research on ebay and u can get a great deal on ebay even with shipping.I think it is the future of car buying.
Also sites like edmunds and other forums list all the problems for the vehicles.So consumers are better advised.
But ,,one thing,,I always advice to go to dealers for any maintenance and repairs except maybe tires and wiperblades
The dealer used original OEM fluids and parts ,,whereas other stores use generic fluids for every car and use aftermarket parts that can effect the functioning of the car..For eg: catalytic converter.Plus the dealer is more accountable rather than your regular joe mechanic.
Just MHO.Please feel free to air your opinions or criticism!!
Show me a post where I said that they weren't and we can go from there.
As for Lady D and her driver that was addressed.
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If we didn't operate like that there'd only be like 100 posts in this whole topic...
boom - funny thing is i sent one of those E-mails once and not only checked the contact by E-mail box but added that into the body of the letter. They didn't call. I'll give them that. They sent me an E-mail saying I should call. :sick:
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I really don't know why peole are sticking to email threads, and no explanation wiull sound reasonable to me. I had a lady requesting a quote for a Vw Rabbit, didn't provide a phone number. I sent her a competetive quote for a car I had in stock, almost exactly what she was looking for. I asked her to call me to finalize the details, but she said that she is too busy to call, started negotiating by email, which took about a day and a half (because I canot sit in front of a computer the whole day). By the time she was ready to call me (not even come in) I sold the car to someone else. The whole thing could have been finalized in a 5 minute phone conversation. Now the sales tax in California is going up tomorrow, and she still doesn't have a car.
my wife is looking at a new vehicle, so we look at 3 that are msrp priced at 44k(A), 37k(B), and 28k(C).
we both think A is too expensive, so i ask for an internet quote on 'B'.
the phone gets involved, but i get a number. turns out we can't make the day i thought we could for a test drive. in an effort to keep her interest, we go back on a sunday, when the dealer is closed, to check out the 3 choices. my wife says only 'A' will do and at a big discount.
the dealership now thinks i want 'B', but and keeps calling about that.
i still think 'A' might work, but i still have to get her there to drive it and have a number she likes before we get there.
she does not want to deal will the sales department. i am stuck in the middle, but will still try to make it work.
the changing incentives make it tough to figure out what the real deal is.
http://www.break.com/index/rally-car-driver-takes-wife-for-ride.html?mrr=we
.......brought back, oh so many memories! :surprise:
See? That's why I need you guys in here. I'm still learning....
Tell them: "it's not you, it's me"
Kidding aside, say although your wife like B and the price is close to what you're looking for, she needs to look at a couple more vehicles that she had an eye on. If she doesn't like them then you'll be sure to call back and carry on with the deal.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
I can understand your frustration, of course, but sales leads are like cars passing on a highway. If you go at average speed, you pass about the same number of cars, as you are being passed by. Yet - your impression would be you are being passed by all the time. Why? Because you can see the car passing you for much longer than the car you are passing (to be precise - your memory registers that car more distinctively). Sales leads - you will remember all those lost leads after hours of presentation (because they hurt), but quickly mentally move on those that you closed after a few minutes.
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SW: Show me a post where I said that they weren't and we can go from there.
DR: Would you drive without seatbelts because you are a great defensive driver?
SW: I currently drive with seat belts on simple because the ragtop warning chime keeps chiming if I don't and its very annoying. Usually I drive seatbeltless and I have a reason for that.
SW: As for Lady D and her driver that was addressed.
Driver Quoting an accident expert :Many, particularly in the United States, will incorrectly argue that alcohol caused this accident.
SW:I would seriously argue that fact, alcohol was the straw that broke that camels back. The odds of the accident happening would have dropped dramatically if he was sober.
Driver :It's a fine line but the accident expert is saying what caused Lady Ds death was the lack of the seatbelt. You seem to be saying what caused her death was a drunk driver.
It is true that if the driver wasn't drunk the accident probably wouldn't have happened, but what caused Lady Ds death was not having a seatbelt.
When I read these and write replies it is sometimes done on the fly...as I go from room to room. I read every post, but sometimes read them quickly. I might have misinterpreted what you said, or took it another way, like miscommunication. What you are probably saying is the driver is the most important factor (which I do agree with), and that Lady D died because of a drunk driver, not because she didn't wear a seatbelt.....which I understand why you might say that, but my interpretation is the accident was caused by a drunk driver, but her life is gone because she didn't wear a seatbelt.
One more quote as to why you might consider wearing a seatbelt;
The analysis found that proper use of a seatbelt reduces the odds of death by 67 percent for any given speed category.
Hope that is the end.......for everyones sake.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
too bad she didn't just say that to me in the first place.
now i have to wait to see what is going to happen as the month/quarter changes.
I would hang up on you too Boom. I guess you are not an internet/email/outlook person. You like discussing with a voice. Folks like me like to discuss with a mind (and thoughts), not voices. I manage projects and I always have all the details I want at the tip of my hand because each discussion is email conversation. I can sort it by sender, by subject and by project#. The only time I call a conference meeting is when I am finalizing the details that we have been conversing on the emails. I don't call to discover details. I use emails for that.
So I will call you when I want to finalize a sale with you, not to discover what your pricing is. No Sir.
We sell books to retail stores. Some stores phone in their orders, and some stores email their orders. One nice thing about email is you have a record of the conversation or transaction to fall back on. But, I do think some people prefer emails and some people prefer calling, and the salesperson should respect that.
I found that when emails go back and forth 3 times about the same point, then it is time to call for sure.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
definitely. and that happens because the other person is not much of an email person. They simply cannot put their thoughts down on paper. They just want to open their mouths and speak.
Ok I have to ask, where did I say that you weren't more likely to survive with a seatbelt on?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D