Stories from the Sales Frontlines

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  • percussionistpercussionist Member Posts: 204
    "I'll be turning 32 in a few months. "

    Don't worry, it's not so bad - I just turned 32 a couple weeks ago and my first kid came along just a few weeks before that. Good luck with the condo. Richard is right - it will all work out. We're starting to toy with the idea of my wife staying home instead of returning to work in the Fall. That will be stressful, but if she wants to stay home, we'll work it out.

    You're a great salesman, things will work out for you!
  • percussionistpercussionist Member Posts: 204
    "I recently drove an almost new Elantra (traded on an Accord). I wanted to see what it was like and I thought it was pretty nice. It reminded me of a Camry with it's soft, floaty ride. Not a knock."

    I agree with you, Craig - the Elantra is not a super handling car, but it rides like a much more expensive car than it is. My only real complaint about ours (2007) is that fifth gear is not tall enough. RPMs are over 3000 at 80mph, and it would be nice if they were closer to 2500 to improve fuel economy and engine noise. All that said, it is an incredibly comfortable car and we really enjoy having it!

    (When I want the handling and performance increased, I drive our 2009 Mazdaspeed 3 - it's also very comfortable, but you feel the road much more intensely)

    I have not driven the new Accords - I will admit, after the last two Hondas we had, my taste for them has soured a bit. How do the Accords handle compared with the Elantra and Mazda? I would imagine it is somewhere in between, but which does it favor more?
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,638
    No point worrying about something that hasn't happenned yet, and when it does happen not according to plan

    You're right boom, 90% of what people worry about never happens, and worrying about it doesn't help.

    I think successful people just keep moving forward.

    I think your employers must really like you, you are positive, honest, and you take the time to explain things and answer questions.

    Really and truly, best of luck.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    The Mazda speed 3 handles like a go kart. The Elantra handles like a ten year old Buick and I would place the Accord somewhere between the two.
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,196
    Richard....first, good to hear you have such good service from what sounds like a stellar dealer.

    I've been a proponent of letting Chrysler "go". Now that the reality of folks losing their dealerships, and the resulting dismantling of the dealership's staff. it irks me even more the way Daimler and Cerebus ruined the company.

    While waiting at an airport for a flight last night, I went to one of the "magazine" stores and picked up one of the car rags (I think AUTOMOBILE?).

    They were bemoaning the fact that what was once one of Chrysler's crown jewels, the mini-van, had its star fall so far. I think Edmunds even complained about their test mini-van being shoddy in materials and workmanship. Yet, the airwaves are flooded with ads everytime I look with the "feature content" (some content of dubious nature) of their mini-vans. Kind of reminds me of the old adage "can't see the forrest for the trees".

    My Chevy dealer also owns a Chrysler/Jeep dealership. They're right next to each other. While the Chevy dealership isn't exactly crawling with customers when I go in for an oil change, the Chrysler dealership may as well be a football field in June.....not a soul in sight for 100 yards in either direction.

    While it's really fuzzy what a Fiat/Chrysler co-mingling brings to the table, it's even fuzzier what will happen to all that inventory of Chryslers, Dodges, Jeeps that are sitting there sparkling new? Being a marketing guy, I'm trying to rectify what the demographic will be between someone who would shop for a Fiat 500, and want to move up to a Chrysler 300? I'm not getting it right now.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,412
    "...My garage door opener takes no more effort..."

    Same with mine. Sometimes I have to ask her twice when it's raining though. :P

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • wesleygwesleyg Member Posts: 164
    thank you, I have printed this out for long term use, thanks again.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Here is the list of proposed Dodge-Chrysler-Jeep dealers Chrysler wants to close via bankruptcy:

    Doomed Dealers?
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    The Dallas Metroplex comes out fairly well, I think. Just on a quick search for "Dallas, Arlington, Irving, Plano,Carrollton,Lewisville,Grapevine, McKinney, Fort Worth, only turned up four dealerships.

    One from Dallas, One from Fort Worth, One from Arlington, One from McKinney.

    All the names, though, are ones that I recognize, so they're fairly large, or at least advertise regularly.

    The big Chrysler dealer in Grapevine who had 35 Crossfires at crossfire-sale prices (sorry :shades: ) survives.

    I don't have a count of what percent of dealers in the DFW metroplex that this constitutes.... Edit - there are 17 dealerships within 30 miles and 56 within 100 miles...

    Good luck Boomchek! Got our fingers crossed that your place isn't on the list!
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    We've already established that boom is fine .. the list is of dealers in the US only; since boom is in Vancouver, BC, his dealership isn't affected.

    There are a few dealers in the metro Denver area that are affected. One is a new place that just opened up a few years ago in a town close to mine (Burt, in Parker). What I find interesting is that the primary location (Medved, Wheat Ridge) of the chain that owns the dealers in my town is closing but the one here is spared.

    There was a Chrysler dealer on CNBC earlier today ... he stated that his dealership is in the top 2% for sales in the country, yet is slated to be closed. He says he will file any and every lawsuit he can to get this stopped.
  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    I noticed Phil Long CJ, King in Longmont, and Northglenn Dodge were on the list
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    We've already established that boom is fine .. the list is of dealers in the US only; since boom is in Vancouver, BC, his dealership isn't affected.

    :blush: Uhm, oh yeah! I knew that! :blush:
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Wow, that was quite a list.

    Who would have ever thought?
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Here’s a question for you guys in the business-

    I know that in the retail business, when you have inventory, it remains listed as an asset at its original value - not its declining actual value - until you move it out of inventory. So that 14K modem from 1998 is still worth $100 on the books until you sell it for 99¢. That's when you take the hit. Is that true in the Car Biz too?

    Will the dealers who declare bankruptcy be better served to keep the cars and use them as assets (at their book value) against what’s owed than to liquidate them and (by selling below book value) lower their worth as assets?

    Since that’s clear as mud to me, and I wrote it, let me try to rephrase….

    The dealer owes $100K in debts. He has 10 Calibers in stock, each theoretically worth $15K. If he sells them each for $9K, he’s still $10K in the hole. But if he keeps them, in theory he has $150K in assets against his $100K debt.

    Ok, now you guys who know tell me how it really works, please.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    We're starting to toy with the idea of my wife staying home instead of returning to work in the Fall

    That's what we're thinking too after she'll be done with mat leave. Daycare costs so much that almost all of her wages would go to pay for it, so she might as well stay home and raise the baby.

    2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX

  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That's a good question. However I have no idea how back end accounting works.

    I don't think the cars are considered assets since the dealer is paying interest on them, so therefore they're not really his.

    2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX

  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    Most dealerships floorplan new cars. Therefore, in a BK the banks own the cars and "Repo" them. Usually, the floor plan is he manufacturer'sfinance arm and the cars are resold to other dealers.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That's what I thought too.

    I did work for one small dealership that owned all of it's inventory. I think in that case during a BK, the cars would be auctioned off at current market value, not at sticker prices.

    2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX

  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Yep, them too, along with Burt and Medved.

    Do you think that Dealin' Doug is breathing a sigh of relief, given that he just bought back 5 dealerships from Lithia in the past month?
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    That's what we're thinking too after she'll be done with mat leave. Daycare costs so much that almost all of her wages would go to pay for it, so she might as well stay home and raise the baby.

    First, boom, congrats on the upcoming addition to your family!

    But, I do have to make one, teensy, tiny correction to your statement above (gawd, I feel like Richard, almost).

    As my wife works in the early childhood business, we try not to use the term 'daycare'. The good people who watch over the children of others prefer that it be referred to as "child care" - they don't take care of days, they take care of children.

    See what happens when you've been exposed to this stuff for almost 13 years?

    However, I do agree with your point that in many cases, the monies earned by the mother often are only enough to cover the costs of child care. My wife works for a small, almost rural school district and she has seen, first hand, the affects of the downturn in the economy. Both her pre-school (part time) and child care (full time) programs are experiencing a drop in enrollment and an increase of late payments.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Thanks, yeah chold care is what I meant. :blush:

    It's funny because here in Vancouver there's s hortage of child care places, and there was sa tory recently on the news where parents lined up overnight just to get on a waiting list for child care. Some peopel encouraged us to get on a list already but we're not even sure where we'll end up buying so no point for now.

    2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX

  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    Do you think that Dealin' Doug is breathing a sigh of relief

    For a couple of years in my past life I worked for a bank calling on dealers for indirect lending. Talk about a different culture - Cherry Creek was the worst back in the day. One good thing about him is he is extremely loyal to his employees - but his advertising seems so old and out of date. Almost as bad as the Rocky's ads
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    While I don't know the mechanics of child care in Canada - I believe that the government is more involved than it is here in the states - I can tell you that "infant" care (age 6 weeks to age 2 1/2) is much more expensive.

    Kind of like insurance for a 16 year old .. the rates go down at 21 and (sometimes) at age 25). My wife's program charges, I think, $130 a week for full time child care .. the program opens up at 6:30AM and closes at 6PM, 5 days a week. Age 2 1/2 to age 5. Once the child enters elementary school (kindergarten), she offers "wrap around" care for when the child is not in school.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    I've heard that Doug Moreland is one of the most gracious folks you'd ever want to meet, but yeah, his commercials are a bit over the top. Reminds me of Cal Worthington in Southern California when I was a kid.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    The dealer owes $100K in debts. He has 10 Calibers in stock, each theoretically worth $15K. If he sells them each for $9K, he’s still $10K in the hole. But if he keeps them, in theory he has $150K in assets against his $100K debt.

    Inventory should be valued at the lower of cost or market value.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,964
    richard, since you mention your explorer, i will relate a story about mine.
    to recap, last month, i had the rear suspension rebuilt and a new transmission put in.
    after that i drove it for a week, so my wife drove my car and my at home daughter drove my wife's escape.
    the limited slip rear end clutches were sticking, so any turns at slow speeds resulted in the vehicle vibrating as one rear axle wouldn't release.
    i asked the service dept about it, and it is about $700 to replace the rear axle clutches.
    so with some trepidation, i set out on my 800 mile each way journey to pick up my older child from school.
    when i stopped for gas, something was wrong, i did a short slow turn without any vibration.
    i'm thinking, either something got better or it's really broke now!
    bottom line is, on the trip everything went smoothly and got the best ever gas mileage on a trip ever. odometer now reads 1.5% under (measured over 50 mile run). last year was 2% under.
    we are all happy to be driving 'our' normal vehicles again.

    filled out the sales survey for the new escape and gave top marks for everything, except maybe the dealership building. it started out as a garage around 1920.
    anyways, i wrote what i hope is a pretty long compliment in the comments section.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    I don't think the cars are considered assets since the dealer is paying interest on them, so therefore they're not really his.

    Even if the dealership is paying interest (has a loan on the cars) they own the cars and owe on the loan.

    The cars are assets and are carried as a debt balance on the balance sheet.

    The loan is a liability and is carried as a credit on the balance sheet.

    The interest is an expense and is carried as a debit on the income statement.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    Most dealerships floorplan new cars. Therefore, in a BK the banks own the cars and "Repo" them. Usually, the floor plan is he manufacturer'sfinance arm and the cars are resold to other dealers.

    Actually declaring bankruptcy protects the dealership from having its cars reprocessed.

    Now if the BK is Chapter 11 which is restructring the business the cars will stay and the business will operate as usual but is overseen by the courts by way of a trustee who takes the income and distributes it to pay the dealerships debts and bills.

    If it is Chapter 7 the the courts will decide what happens to the cars (again usually through a trustee) and other assets and the proceeds are turned over to the holders of any notes and the business is closed.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,593
    As my wife works in the early childhood business, we try not to use the term 'day care'. The good people who watch over the children of others prefer that it be referred to as "child care" - they don't take care of days, they take care of children.

    My daughter who just had a baby was told that. She said her response was that when they come to her house and care for the child in the evening and at night we will call it "child care" until then its "day care". She has learned a thing or two from me. ;)

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    The loan is a liability and is carried as a credit on the balance sheet.

    The interest is an expense and is carried as a debit on the income statement.


    And that in a nutshell (an appropriate vessel) is why I never thought about being an accountant....

    She has learned a thing or two from me.

    I'm sorry to hear that. ;)
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Go see Cal!

    Yep, he was always around. Whre did you grow up?

    Me? San Pedro.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    MY LOCAL CHRYSLER DEALERSHIP WAS SAVED!!! They held a company meeting this morning to make the announcement to all of the employees. You could see the happy faces on each person this afternoon when I went in to get my new tires for the Explorer. We're between Charlotte and Wilmington. Eight dealerships were lost in that area. West of Charlotte I don't know. While I was there, several loyal customers dropped by to wish the dealer well. It certainly was a happy day for them.

    I just went through the list that Michael sent. It was 40 pages long---seemed endless. Just think of the thousands of people tonight who are unsure as to what the future holds for them. It is so sad.

    Richard
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    How about a report on those Goodyear Tripletreds when you get the chance Richard? My MPV has been running on them for about a year now... grip like a gorilla.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Whre did you grow up?

    Me? Oxnard, in Ventura County, though I've lived in Colorado for almost 16 years. Still have family there, however.

    (Please, no jokes about Oxnard - I know that it's been the butt of many jokes, from "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World" to "Sideways", but it's my hometown and I'm darn proud of it. Please note that it is the hometown of the current Ryder Cup captain, Corey Pavin)

    I smile every time you talk about the snake pit the car dealership business is in that part of the country. About half the weight of the Friday LA Times seemed like it was made up of screamer ads from all the unscrupulous dealers.

    Even the imports have too many dealers in the greater LA area.

    Richard, am happy to hear that your local dealer survived "Black Thursday". Now, we have to wait to see what happens tomorrow with the GM dealers. If you thought the Chrysler list was long with almost 800 dealers, tomorrow ought to be like reading "War and Peace" since GM is set to list close to 2400 dealers.

    Does anybody think that Ford will try something similar? My thinking is that when the dust settles from all of this, Ford will be at a bit of a disadvantage, since they will still have a bloated dealer network in comparison.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Just think of the thousands of people tonight who are unsure as to what the future holds for them. It is so sad.

    It sure is. Other than a few dealerships that deserved to be put out of business because of their dealing practices, a lot of innocent people will suffer. They are the fallout of what MB did to that company. Not that I would have been an MB customer, I damn sure wouldn’t consider one of their products now.

    The cut didn’t get the large dealership in my burb. Son #1 bought his Town and Country from that guy last June and my brother that lives in Florida bought his 08’ Sebring convertible there and had my nephew drive it down to him (I told that tale a while back). However, the cut did get a very small dealer in a town that borders mine. I never bought a car from him because I was a loyal GM guy but I never heard anyone complain about that guy, ever, since I can remember. He had to be there 50 + years. To be honest, I don’t know how he lasted as long as he did with his very small very old 2 car showroom building, on a side street, in an almost exclusive residential area. It had to be his great service department that I always heard about that kept him around.

    SAD isn’t the word for it. What MB did to that company is criminal.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,638
    " since GM is set to list close to 2400 dealers.

    Seems the number is 1100 and that seems small in relation to the size of Chrysler compared to GM:

    GM dealers await word on cuts
    TOM KRISHER

    Friday, May 15, 2009

    DETROIT — A day after Chrysler LLC told a quarter of its dealers that it won't renew their contracts, owners of General Motors Corp. dealerships are awaiting word on whether they will be next.

    GM said it will notify 1,100 U.S. dealers on Friday that their franchise agreements will not be renewed. Dealers expect to hear either by telephone or FedEx letters that will begin arriving Friday morning.

    The cuts will come just a day after crosstown rival Chrysler announced it was dropping 789 of its roughly 3,200 dealerships by around June 9. Both companies have too many dealerships for too few sales are slashing costs as they race to restructure.

    The GM dealer cuts are likely to have a much greater impact than Chrysler's. While many Chrysler dealers also sell other brands and will stay open after losing their franchises, a large number of GM dealers sell only GM vehicles. So if their franchises are revoked, they run a greater risk of closing for good.

    In both cases, the cuts will cost thousands of jobs, create holes in local tax bases, eliminate community pillars and create economic ripple effects across the country.

    Chrysler is operating under bankruptcy protection, so it is likely to have an easier time tearing up its franchise agreements with its dealers than GM. A hearing is scheduled for June 3 in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York for the judge to determine whether to approve Chrysler's motion to fire its dealers.

    Chrysler executives said Thursday the company is trying to preserve its best-performing dealers and eliminate ones with the weakest sales. More than half of the dealerships being eliminated sell less than 100 vehicles per year, they said, and account for 14 per cent of U.S. sales.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Please, no jokes about Oxnard

    You won’t get any from me. Back in the late 80’s early 90’s the company I worked for did business with a company there. We always stayed at the Mandalay Beach Resort Hotel (it was part of the Embassy Suites chain back then) and it was right on the Pacific Ocean. I even took ‘you know who’ with me on trip there once. She soaked herself in the ocean and went shopping while I slaved away all day reviewing specifications and test data trying to support the lifestyle she had made herself accustomed to there. I made a lot of points that week. She still talks about how nice that place was.

    IIRC, Oxnard is one of the CA produce centers. I allowed myself to be talked into schlepping back a flat of just picked strawberries by a young female engineer that accompanied me there once on a business trip (no wise comments, please). We went to a field with one of the people we were visiting with on our way back to the office from lunch. He said at strawberry time (which I think is in May) his wife always wanted him to stop at one of the fields (and there were tons of them) on the way home so they could enjoy some really fresh strawberries for dinner. I never did that again; what a mess!! :cry:

    Thanks for your posting of the Chrysler dealership closings. While it wasn’t an enjoyable read, it was informative and more on topic that this post. ;)

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    That was a good one oldfarmer :)
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    We lost the Jeep dealership in town. He's one of those "family of dealerships" and not at all my favorite place to deal with. He should be fine. Still dealing Ford, LM, Nissan and Honda.

    The Chrysler-Dodge guy survived.

    Waiting on today's news.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Yes, May is when the annual Strawberry Festival is held.

    Glad you enjoyed your time there! There are times (usually when the temp is around 0 or so), when I miss the sunshine and warm weather. But, too many people and too many taxes now for me to want to return on a permanent basis.

    No sales stories from me; however, I am taking the wife's VUE into the dealer for an oil change and tire rotation tomorrow. I suspect that I an attempt will be made to upsell me on other services.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Just wanted to say thanks for the info on the accounting mechanics for cars on the dealers lots... very interesting and informative. A special thanks to Snakeweasel

    Snakewease -

    You're a Credit to the Accounting Profession!

    Oh, wait.... I think I mean Debit.... :confuse:

    :blush:
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Yes, I'll keep you posted on the Goodyear Tripletreds. Just got them yesterday. The ride seems smooth and I don't hear any noise. They were $162 each but I got the 4th one free. Alignment was $59 which I requested, tax was $43, and $5 for those waste fees. The total was $593. They're suppose to get between 50k and 60k. If they're as good as the old Michelins which gave me 50k, I won't complain. It's going to pour buckets tomorrow and Sunday. I'll be anxious to check the traction on them.

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    How many miles did you have on the Explorer when you did the new transmission and the rear suspension? Glad that your trip went well.

    Richard
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    No jokes from me Michael. One of my college buddies was from Climax, NC! He hated the question, "Where are you from?" It is actually a small, quaint town with lovely folks.

    Richard
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I hear the same is true for Intercourse, PA.

    Yes, I should have mentioned while I was poking fun at snake that indeed that was great explaining. I learn something in here almost every day.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    It's going to pour buckets tomorrow and Sunday. I'll be anxious to check the traction on them.

    OH NO !! Why don't you wait until I ask Duke Power to install their state of the art foam telephone poles? :cry:

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Good for that rain. Richard can test his tires and jmonroe can test his multiple wax jobs.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Boom, while I realize that you and percussionist have a difficult decision to make regarding the wives staying home with the babies, allow me to share some research with you. We found in education that mothers who stayed home with their children from birth to three years seemed to provide a better foundation for entering the school environment. Also, mothers who stayed home with their children from birth to six years appeared to contribute to higher test scores over the long haul. With mothers who stayed home with their children, we also noticed that working fathers appeared to be more involved in networking with their children. A side effect was also stronger marriage relations.

    In terms of child care, and it is a debatable issue, it was noted that Catholic child care centers did an excellent job working with small children and nurturing them.

    If you should choose a home sitter for the babies, be VERY careful. The son of a friend of ours was on national news recently. He and his wife are both attorneys. After checking all references, they hired a home sitter for their first baby. They began to suspect abuse. After installing two hidden cameras, they caught the sitter shaking and abusing the baby. Shaking a baby is a dangerous thing in terms of brain damage. The sitter was found guilty in court. Fortunately, the tests showed that the baby suffered no brain damage. Our good friends, the grandparents, are now keeping the baby during the day. The child's mother is giving up her law practice this summer to stay home with the child.

    In these hard economic times, it will be a tough decision for you both to make. I wish you both the best as you make your decisions.

    Richard
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    I learn something in here almost every day.

    Really? You must be Top Voided. ;)

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    It's a tough choice.

    In our case after the first child we were able to have my wife's parents cover while she attended nursing school. When my daughter hit maybe 4 we started her in preschool.

    She was largely working part time through the first two being young. By the time the second two showed she was full time and her folks too old to deal with things. We had care in another's home for a while before moving on to pre-school.

    I'd have loved to let her stay home full time with them but economically for us it didn't work. Every case is different. Best of luck.

    jmonroe - it's not like I said I learned something useful every day. sometimes all I learn is how much time someone can spend waxing a Hyundai...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
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