Toyota Highlander

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  • sfkillerssfkillers Member Posts: 3
    Thanks to all. I will take it and change the oil
    this time and will see what they can do about the breaks because I just hate it when I have to push on the pedal all the way just to make the car stop.
  • fortekfortek Member Posts: 29
    landscaperjoe

    I have a 02'Limited with the spoiler, tow prep package, but no hitch. I bought the Performance "XPORT" factory rack kit for $140.00 and its worked great. They are two fork mount bike carriers that attach to the crossbars on the roof rack. Granted, you have to open the back doors and stand on the door sills to get the bikes in the rack, but once you've done it a few times it's pretty easy. Without a tow hitch you don't have many options, but at least you can see more easily out the back window, you access to the cargo area without having to remove the bike rack (some racks have a feature to provide access) and the cost is pretty cheap. Just remember to take the bikes off the rack before you drive into the garage.
  • mdernstmdernst Member Posts: 3
    I recently read somewhere in these discussions about the TSB pertaining to the HL's noisy door seals in a strong crosswind. I cannot seem to locate this information in the discussions anymore. Could someone kindly post the details of this TSB? Thanks much.
  • cfu000cfu000 Member Posts: 10
    Hi,

    Just want to know is there any benefit to have VSC on a 2WD model?
    Looks like only AWD model has it.

    Thanks.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    get it on all models? It is a selective braking/throttle control system to prevent skidding - it would be useful on AWD or 2WD.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Stability control helps all vehicles, regardless of whether they are AWD or not. E.g. all MB's have it, including the 2WD (only) S-class and E-class.
  • tielgirltielgirl Member Posts: 8
    You can get Vehicle Skid Control on all models. I have a 2WD 2002 Limited and have VSC.
  • gwkisergwkiser Member Posts: 326
    The TSB reference for the door seals is NV012-01.
  • scannerscanner Member Posts: 295
    can be found on the following sites under Toyota Truck, but there's not much detail.


    http://www.alldata.com/recalls/index.html


    http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/tsb/service1.cfm?SearchTopic=Vehicle


    http://www.edmunds.com/products/maintguide/index.html?ID=lin1038


    Hopefully one day soon, Edmunds' will get their search feature running. ;-)

  • mdernstmdernst Member Posts: 3
    The reason I couldn't find the TSB at Edmunds or NHTSA was that I was looking under the 2002 model but it is listed under the 2001 model. Is this not a problem with the 2002s? We are in the process of trying to buy a 2002 and I thought the seals were noisy on our test drive, so I was going to make the replacement of the seals part of the deal.

    Maybe the noise was in my head since I had read about the TSB earlier. Anyone have this problem on 2002s?
  • landscaperjoelandscaperjoe Member Posts: 15
    fortek

    Thanks for the info on the bike rack. I'll look into your suggestion.
  • rphillips2rphillips2 Member Posts: 40
    Has anyone replaced the stock Goodyears on their Highlander? The Goodyear Integritys are terrible in reguards to wet traction and dry transitions. I seem to roll them over onto the sidewalls down to the Goodyear lettering on a daily basis. Has anyone changed them out and noticed a dramatic change in handling? I know I should be driving a sports car, but I like the extra room that the Highlander provides.
  • brad_22brad_22 Member Posts: 154
    I put new wheels and tires on. Pirelli Scorpion S/Ts, 235/70-16. Super sticky! : )
  • rphillips2rphillips2 Member Posts: 40
    Hey Brad

    Did you go with the same width wheel and offset?
  • fortekfortek Member Posts: 29
    We have a 2002 Limited and haven't noticed the door seal noise. Perhaps it may be a combination of wind noise around the mirrors and a super quiet interior. The extremely quiet interior was one of the first things we noticed on our test drive and has remained so after approximately 2000 miles.
  • fortekfortek Member Posts: 29
  • gwkisergwkiser Member Posts: 326
    You are correct. The noisy door seal TSB involved only SOME '01 models. Our '01, in fact, did not qualify.
  • hislanderhislander Member Posts: 67
    Probably some one mentioned it before but what is the typical cost for HL extended warranty 6yr/100K miles (in Houston, Texas if that matters)? I was quoted $1700 w/ $50 deductible for repair over $200 and the guy said the cost is same across all Toyota dealers and not negotiable. Of course, this price is only good for vehicle less than 3yr old and 36K miles. Thanks for any respons.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    and tell him you want to buy an extended warranty for a used Ford taurus (take your pick)you just bought down the street and they offered you an extended warranty for $900 but you have have had experience with the Toyota one and you would prefer it if the price is reasonable/competitive.

    Did it, it works.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Living in TX, you may not be able to purchase a genuine Toyota Platinum warranty from your local dealers so he may be correct. That price is ridiculously high for a Toyota warranty. MSRP on a 6/100K, $0 deductible is only $1300 on a 4WD HL and $1125 on a 2WD. The plans are normally discounted as well. You may need to look outside your region to get your best deal.
  • sportsterersportsterer Member Posts: 27
    my 2001 AWD 3.0 came with an offer for a 7yr/70K warranty for $1500, all less $50 of which is refunded if not used...anyway if you needed a warranty in the first place they wouldnt sell you one, so therefor maybe you dont need one..but for that elusive dose of peace of mind...so i went for it anyway. BTW, in a vehicle as quiet as these are the softest sounds become audible. they have to let the engine growl a bit just so you know its there.
  • brad_22brad_22 Member Posts: 154
    The wheels (SSR) were 16x7. With the tires (235/70-16), they barely fit (thanks to the close fitting suspension strut). It definitely looks better than the stock wheels and tires.
  • mendota98mendota98 Member Posts: 3
    Could someone share with me the real world mpg for a 2 wheel drive, 4 cylinder Highlander. Thank you in advance. Mike
  • scwt47scwt47 Member Posts: 13
    Sure, it's hard to find a deal on a HL, but it's easy to knock 20-40% off the cost of an extended warranty for it. The dealers LOVE to get us on the $1500-2000 price for an extended warranty. That warranty costs them around $1000 on a HL. Your price may vary and you can get lots of deductible and coverage options, but do NOT pay the asking price. Ever.

    And do not be conned into thinking the dealer is the only source of a warranty for a HL. Just as you can go get the crummy standard sound system replaced at the stereo shop down the street, you can shop at another dealer or on the net for a perfectly good extended warranty. Toyota does not sell extended warranties, so the dealer has to get them the same place as the rest of us. Then he marks it up big time and gives you "peace of mind" on your way out the door.

    Go to a good search engine, type in "extended auto warranty" (use the quote marks, too, to keep the search focused) and have fun seeing how much you can save.

    And don't rush. The warranty does not kick in until the factory warranty cuts out, so you can buy it later, any time before the car is out of warranty.

    A dealer I know says he makes more profit per car on the things he sells WITH the car (alarms, warranties, Scotchgard, etc.) as he does on the car itself. If you like paying full retail and do not want to trouble yourself with haggling or shopping around, then go ahead and pay their $1700 asking price on the warranty. Most people do and never worry about it. They feel so good about the "deal" they just got 10 minutes ago on the vehicle they let their guard down when they sit down with the closing agent and get hosed.

    Pay the dealer a reasonable amount over his cost (they are indeed offering you the value of one-stop shopping) to save money or shop elsewhere direct for a warranty and save more money. There are choices if you know about them.

    Happy warranty hunting.
  • scannerscanner Member Posts: 295
    Just caught my 1st flat tire and have to say the HL handled quite well on 3 tires. Tire changing was also very easy given the location of the spare, though the jack storage location doesn't seem very secure and kind of looks like an afterthought. So, has anyone had any luck replacing just one of the OEM Goodyear tires with the same? If so, what was the cost and place of purchase? Thanks!
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    scwt47:

    Toyota doesn't sell extended warranties.

    Since when?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I guess this means Cliffy1 is out of a job and has to go fishing 24/7 now....

    (I think someone's been misinformed )

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  • gwkisergwkiser Member Posts: 326
    If you want a good deal on an extended warranty, I suggest that you go to this site, select the plan, print it out, and then take it to your dealer. If the dealer doesn't match it, simply purchase it from the dealer who owns the site. My dealer matched the price. FWIW, I am in Texas also. Gulf States (the distributor for TX) DOES sell the same warranties through the dealerships.


    http://www.toyotawarranty.com/


    And, yes, these are TOYOTA US warranties, not third party. Though I usually do not buy extended warranties with the new purchase, I did on our '01 HL as it was a brand new model and I was willing to spend a little extra for the assurance.

  • cmcardlecmcardle Member Posts: 71
    Agreed - the changing procedure was very easy for me as well. (Did you crank the jack back open once it's in its "shelf"?)

    I replaced the OEM tire for $120 at Sears, installed, balanced, everything except putting it back in the storage space.
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    from my local dealer for the same pricing that is on toyotawarranty.com.

    They offered the discounted price (which was still profitable for them) up front. I didn't buy at the time I got the car and they honored the original quote 7 months later.

    The reasons for the extended warranty...bought an '01 so it was a first-year product and then the engine sludge issue put me over the top. Otherwise I would have reasonably expected the reliability I got from my Camry 222k+ and still ran great.
  • scannerscanner Member Posts: 295
    Pdalpsher,

    Haven't you heard that Toyota already extended the warranty on the engine in case of oil jelling as they call it? 7 years/100,000 miles I think.
  • scannerscanner Member Posts: 295
    Cmcardle,

    Thanks! I'll give Sears a try. Actually, I wasn't planning on putting the jack back in its cradle at all. My problem was getting it cranked down to get it out. Basically ended up just yanking it out. The most difficult part of the job shouldn't be removing the jack. Perhaps I should have said the jack was too secure if you know what I mean. A better idea for securing the jack in place is needed. Perhaps something like the knob screw that holds the spare tire in place.
  • cmcardlecmcardle Member Posts: 71
    ...and am surprised it's not in all cars yet, is a standard AC outlet, like at home. I saw a commercial for the Matrix yesterday that showed that, and it reminded me that I really wish I had one. It would be nice, especially for longer trips, camping or tailgating (sorry, I'm from WI).

    I'm no electrician, but can't imagine it would be too tough for Toyota to throw a 3 prong outlet somewhere on the dash, and one in the cargo area.
  • scannerscanner Member Posts: 295
    Cmcardle,


    I am an EE and programmer by profession, so the electrical system is what fascinates me most about cars. Adding an AC outlet (power inverter) is relatively simple for low wattage applications. For high power consumption applications things get large and expensive. I actually own two, a low power one that plugs into the DC port and a high power one that attaches directly to the battery. In my opinion Tripplite makes the best ones.


    http://www.tripplite.com/products/inverters/index.cfm

    Below is where I purchased mine.

    http://www.pagecomputers.com/cgi-bin/page/index2.html

  • hislanderhislander Member Posts: 67
    Thanks all for the great info, especially the toyotowarranty.com link. The follow up question would be that if the dealer won't match the price and I have to buy it online. How does this warranty work? i.e. how are they going to pay for the repair or will the local dealer honor the warranty....In addition, if any one can give me the actual experience with this outfit: are they good to work with or a hassle to deal with when you need them. Again, thanks every one.
    p.s. Cliffy, you're great. I know of you long time ago (with Diane@CarsonToyota, but unfortunately, she left the forum).
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Isn't that part of the reason behind the new 42(?) volt battery standard being pushed? Or just a side benefit of the fuel cell/hybrid requirements?

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  • scannerscanner Member Posts: 295
    Steve,

    I think it's 48 volts, but I am not sure, fuel cell/hybrids is not my field. Simply being able to use cheaper smaller gauge or lower current capacity wire is what I would think is the main benefit no matter what you're powering.
  • cmcardlecmcardle Member Posts: 71
    Wow. I knew such things existed, but didn't realize they were so inexpensive. Obviously I didn't do my research. Thank you.
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Member Posts: 343
    I am about to get a Ltd AWD V6 with leather, heated seats,VSC, tow prep, dimming mirror, glass breakage sensor, 6 CD changer, Mooroof, etc etc.
    According to KBB, the invoice is about $31,000

    When I offer a dealer $1,000 over invoice - they said there was dealer hold back of $600, Advertizing of $500, and some finance of about $300. Thats another $1400 I didn't account for.
    Did anyone else pay these charges ?
    Thanks for any advice
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    When you buy an extended warrant from any on line source, (ex, toyotawarranty.com, Dianne or me) it works the same as if your local dealer sold it to you (assuming your dealer sells the genuine Toyota warranty). It isn't the dealership that warrants the car, but Toyota itself. All claims go through Toyota's claim center. As a consumer, its a very easy process as the repairing dealer does all the paperwork.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I liked your post. You gave some very level-headed advise to people shopping for warranties that can also be applied to buying the car in the first place.

    I do want to correct one thing though. Toyota does, in fact sell warranties. They can only be purchased through Toyota dealers. This means that a consumer can shop for a warranty just like he does for the car. The warranty and the car need not be purchased at the same place.
  • wdr2wdr2 Member Posts: 12
    mendota 98: I've had my Highlander for 9 months, and I'm consistently getting 24 mpg, even with very little freeway driving. The 4 cyl is fine for me, as I don't plan to do any off-roading or towing. The car is so light-weight, that I have plenty of power for my needs. Good luck!
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    Yes, I'm familiar with the extension on the engine. I bought the extended warranty before the extension had been granted. Since I plan on keeping the HL until the wheels fall off I'll keep the warranty coverage just in case!
  • cmunizcmuniz Member Posts: 604
    Cliffy1 should be the one responding, but since he didn't here goes. Not all dealers add those charges to the invoice. I bought my HL from a southeast region dealer in a small town and he did not add ANY charges to the agreed price, with was between invoice and MSRP. Not even a documentation fee, which is becoming standard. My understanding of holdback is that it is a discount from the invoice price to the dealer given by Toyota as an incentive to sell the car quickly and not have to carry it as "inventory" for an extended period of time. The holdback gets smaller the longer the car sits on the lot, but it is always a discount off invoice price, NOT an addition to the invoice price. It is my opinion that the dealer is blowing smoke to get more for the car. Maybe the "invoice" price that you got from KBB is incorrect, but the dealer is framing the argument incorrectly
  • ssufldhckyssufldhcky Member Posts: 16
    I agree with everything that cmuniz said. The hold back is absolutely already built into the
    dealer's invoice. Why are they trying to add it in again? Something's fishy.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Nimrod has invoked my name into that so I feel compelled to answer again. The reason for my reluctance here is that every time this comes up, the discussion threatens to completely take over all other discussions.

    Here goes... Invoice is invoice. Invoice is not cost. Invoice has four things built into it that are not directly paying for equipment or features. Those things are holdback, financial reserve, freight and advertising.

    Holdback has nothing to do with the amount of time we have the car. Holdback is an amount that is part of the invoice which we are refunded at the end of each quarter. Very few managers and even fewer salesmen are paid on this amount. The invoice price you see here at Edmunds includes HB, although some dealers will try to obfuscate this fact and that is wrong.

    Financial reserve is similar to holdback. The difference is, this money is set aside to assist the dealership in paying its floorplan interest. Most dealers do not own the cars on the lot. We pay interest to a bank which is called floorplan money. The longer a car sits on the lot, the more floorplan money stacks up. From a dealer perspective, we don't look at individual floorplan expenses but rather, average floorplan expenses. If we move our inventory in an average of 30 days, we are in good shape. If you buy a "fresh" car, it means you passed up one that was stacking up that money.

    Freight is what we pay to get the cars here. It is the same on the invoice as it is on the sticker.

    Advertising is a non-refunded fee that the dealers pay to Toyota. The money is used for regional advertising campaigns and rebate programs. It is part of the invoice and the money is not returned to the dealership in any direct manner. This figure is the only one NOT included in the Edmunds invoice guide. They do however warn you that it exists. The figure varies by region and can be as low as a flat $200 to 2.3% of base invoice.

    What does all this means? Not a whole lot. Invoice is still invoice and if you are talking to a dealership about invoice, he is not talking about net cost. Net costs takes invoice and deducts the HB and finance reserve but then adds back in average floorplan expenses for the month, average dealership advertising, salesman's commissions, manager's salaries, property taxes, utilities, paying the clean-up department, title clerk, administrative department and a host of other variable expenses that a consumers has no business delving into.

    Gross cost is invoice. From the consumer's point of view, invoice is nothing more than a reference point. If you can get a car for $500 over invoice at one store and $800 at another, you know where the best deal is. In most stores, the salesman is paid a percentage of the amount he sells it for over the invoice.

    Whew...
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Member Posts: 343
    Cliffy1 - thanks for the clarification.
    Actually - it wasn't me who invoked your name...it was cmuniz in post 6399.

    I have managed to find a deal about $900 over KKB invoice.

    Thanks
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    oops... sorry. $900 over KBB listed invoice is pretty good. Depending on your region, that translates into $400 to $700 over true invoice once the regional advertising fee is figured in. That is low by market standards in my area.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Pardon me for quibbling, but I thought that holdback existed mostly for partially subsidizing the dealer's floor planning (i.e., interest) expense?

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  • eliebermanelieberman Member Posts: 2
    I own a 2001 limited which I purchased in March of 2001 with the console then available.
    I want to remove that console and put in a 2002 model console...I know that there may be holes in the carpet....
    Has anyone done this in Los Angeles?
    A local dealership has declined to do it?
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