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I got the same story from all of them: there is a 2 - 3 month wait if you put down a deposit. No cars available for test drive, but deposit will be returned if you don't like it after driving it. The salesman at the local dealership told me that they have orders in for specific models for customers, and also cars for inventory, but it's just a matter of luck as to which colors and models they receive.
I contacted all the local dealers through Honda's web site. All I got back were form replies; not one of them addressed the specifics that I had filled in on the Honda web site. E-mail follow-up didn't get any better, just boiler-plate notes that showed they had not even bothered to read my message.
continue to send e-mail to other dealerships.. i bought mines at a dealership 50 miles away where i went to college..
i sent out e-mails to about 30 places within 80 miles..
about 5 of them were at msrp but none in stock.. 3 of the 5 offered 100 off msrp if you were a costco member..
you mjight want to ask if there's a discount for being a costco member or even Sam's club if you have one around..
i was weary about putting a deposit down.. but if they say for sure in 2-4 weeks then go for it.. find a place that has the car but different color and test drive it to make sure ya like it... so when you put the deposit down you can ask them to give you the Vin#.. if they have it coming in they should have vin.. agree on price also... so once it comes in.. it;s ur car.. they won;t be able to sell to someone else or higher the price.. goodluck!
I filled up with chevron and ooouch.. hsighway driving and i'm getting worst mpg than on the dealer tank,,
at the halfway mark on the dealer tank i was at 152 mpg.. and by E i got 243 total..
on my first fill up i'm at half and am only getting 123.. how could that be??.. it's getting scary now.. i hope i don;t get 200 on a whole tank tanksince it drops much faster once it's at the half point.. i hope to break 200 miles on this tank.. i've been driving conservatively too..
does california use ethynol in their gas?
ouch!
at the halfway mark on the dealer tank i was at 152 mpg.
152 MPG WoW! :surprise:
i wish i got half of 150 mpg... sheesh...
While my internet dealer was helpful, it was an everyday salesman (new to the dealer) who called me and wanted to know if I was still interested.
second tank I got 28.. AT sport..
Still disappointed since I've been driving conservatively each time.. I hope that the switch to Shall gas will give me a little more..
I hope to break 30 someday.. i drive mostly highway..
I wonder why people say to give it time to break in because I read that others get over 30 to start off.. I mean if i need to wait for the engine to break in.. then why do others get over 30+ right off the bat? Shouldn;t they be getting 20's+ also? Something just isn't right.. i would be happy to get 31 mpg at this moment.. and i do mainly highway driving..
second tank I got 28.. AT sport..
Still disappointed since I've been driving conservatively each time.. I hope that the switch to Shall gas will give me a little more..
I hope to break 30 someday.. i drive mostly highway..
I wonder why people say to give it time to break in because I read that others get over 30 to start off.. I mean if i need to wait for the engine to break in.. then why do others get over 30+ right off the bat? Shouldn;t they be getting 20's+ also? Something just isn't right.. i would be happy to get 31 mpg at this moment.. and i do mainly highway driving..
And, yes, everyone's mileage will improve after a lengthy break-in period. Getting upset over fuel economy on just 2 tanks of gas is downright ludicrous.
Give it some time!
My problem is that people are getting 35+ average from the get go and did not have to wait until it breaks in. And there are some that do not get better milage even after their break in. I just don't want to wait until that break-in just to find out that It just improved by 1-2 miles.
How oudl you explain cases wehre people have 8-10k on it and still get 24-26mpg? Those cars are broken in right?
On my other cars, I've gotten good milage on the get go. And after break in.. milage only improved by 1-2 miles max.
I guess not all engine are built the same.
I agree -- should be better. There's just so much normal variance in driving conditions and style that can cause one driver to get 28 mpg and another to get 35 mpg.
I would take the car to the dealer to be checked. There may be an initial setting of the engine computer that wasn't performed. I've heard of this on other models where you would disconnect the battery and then reconnect along with a series of specified actions to reset the computer for maximum efficiency.
Is there any truth to this Idle Learn Procedure (ILP) business for the FIT or other Hondas? I replaced the battery in our 03 CRV last week. I emailed the service director at First Texas Honda and asked if I should perform the ILP. His response was 'just drive it'. Thanks..........
Regards,
Bubba
Why/how does an independent dealership charging a premium on a sought after vehicle reflect poorly on the manufacturer?
I'd actually suggest an older used car. A 1993 Volvo 240 wagon would be perfect - cheap, relaible, safe, and the last of the 70/80s era cars with DIY serviceability. 1993 they added ABS as standard equipment(optional starting in 1990).
Spend $3-5K on it, and drive it for nearly nothing. Halus more cargo as well and has that retro look, too.
I had a Volvo in college and it was a dream. I spent $500 on two years on it in repairs and drove it to death.
Ebay item # 130010948770 - a good example of what to look for, IMO.
The MSRP for the Sport AT is $15,970 plus the new shipping charge of $595 equals $16,565. That's rather close to what the big D Honda dealer quoted.
Bubba
kinda funny hwo they increased the destination.. set whatever they want..
place i got the car said yes.. anywhere...
I also have an 98 Dodge Caravan and a 2005 Civic, any idea what psi they should be at?
Also, i've heard that in the winter you are suppose to inflate them more and deflate during the summer?
Hope all of this will help increase my milage!
I considered the xA too, but fell way too much in love with the Fit after I found out I could actually purchase one for myself. I'm sure your daughter will love the xA, though a few of the safety features might be a bit extra. But, the price for a fully loaded xA was still cheaper than the Fit by about a thousand. So, I guess it all depends on how much you're willing to spend and which one your daughter will enjoy the most, after the shopping. Good luck!
If she really wants a Honda, consider a used Civic. Those are pretty reliable, and you'll pay a bit less for a good quality car.
Salesperson told me that the 5 M/T models are in short supply (wonder if Honda's transmission supplier can't keep up with demand??). New M/T orders could take 3-4 months (yikes!).
Hang in there, yours is probably on its way from the land of the rising sun...
Be sure to report on the other thread after you receive it with your first impressions. I really like mine!
I have a feeling that Honda may have simply underestimated the US demand for the 5MT model for this car. Rather than a shortage of manual transmissions, there might just be a shortage of MT-equipped cars.
If there are any dealers (or anyone) out there who frequent these discussions and might know, what is the ratio of AT to MT-equipped Fits? ...and what about Civics?
Thanks!
Even here in Vancouver, where we get approx 100 Fits a month over 9 local dealerships, there aren't a lot of stick Fits around.
Kinda interesting, since I couldn't even test drive one in April since all the ones left unsold were sticks.
If you want one, wait. Holman Honda, in fort Lauderdale, 4 blocks from where I live, wanted total 18000 for a sport fit manual, plus deposit, which didn't count against price.I don't get why Honda advertises a product that they meet demand on.
It sours people on Honda. Beach Honda had an "online inventory" with no actual cars, virtual cars only.
My guess is, that if Scion or Saturn DID negotiate, you wouldn't be satisfied with MSRP either.
Before you get "turned off" about supply and demand, go pay sticker for an Accord (But why would you do THAT?!?! The demand is low enough to dictate a discount... but you'll gladly snatch that up right?). I'm sure if you did that, they'd sell you a Fit for MSRP as part of the deal.
Sorry for the mini rant, but I find it greatly amusing that the door only swings one way on this subject and that when dealers take advantage of demand it's "gouging" but when push comes to shove on a lower demand vehice, customers will be darned to pay MSRP.
It's a free country, and CUSTOMERS are the ones that drive prices up and down, not dealers. If no one was buying it at over MSRP, they'd have 50 on the ground and the price would go DOWN. If someone is buying at that though (and clearly they are), the perception must be that it's worth it to have it now.
Evidnetly not for you, but that's no reason to get "turned off" just because you can't get what you want, when you want it, for less than it's worth...
T
It's a lot more powerful, and the manual transmission is superb.
The base MSRP on the stickshift model is $16,412, but discounts are available($750 where I live) - so the price creeps down to about $16000 after delivery - and it's super-easy to haggle for less as there's zero demand at all for the 2006 models(they never sold anyways) once the 2007s are out in a few weeks. Figure $15,000.
And it whomps on the Fit in normal driving.
Then again, that would depend on what you consider "normal driving". The kind of driving style I prefer for my normal everyday commute or just driving around is probably quite a bit different than yours. Really, the only benefit I could see from the Accord over the Fit *IMO* is the more relaxed engine speed at highway cruising for the 5MT.
The Accord is still a boat compared to the Fit, and despite the more power and higher power-to-weight ratio, you can still feel that extra weight and size. In my "normal driving" I prefer a small, maneuverable car with a firm suspension. Fit delivers...Accord doesn't. So an Accord only "whomps on the Fit" if you like a bigger, cushier ride with limited interior flexibility.
I was quoting without delivery, so with delivery it's $17,000. That's before the $750 rebate and the cars normally went for literally $100 over invoice just to make room on the lot for a LX or EX. So figure $16,500 in a typical scenario.
Cars direct doesn't have a VP link anymore(but certainly will in a few weeks for the 2007s), but last month thay were selling a VP out the door for $15,990 including delivery charges. So knocking $900 off of that for last year's NOT moving, taking up space model is not going to be a problem.
Even at $15,990 it is a better car. The thing bumps and rattles and bounces around on the road much more than an Accord, and it's just the way all small cars are. Not enough weight and too short of a wheelbase. Though I have to give the Fit credit for being a very good small car, quite possibly the best one in its segment. Sure, the Fit turns tighter, but the suspension is very small-car ish and it just isn't an Accord by a long shot. The VP is missing the rear swaybar, but that's a few hundred to install before you take delivery. Add in two aftermarket speaker in the rear(plus in in 2 minutes or less) and you've got a bigger base Civic, or pretty close to it.
Honda just priced the Fit too close to the Accord VP and the Base Civic, IMO.
Quite true. But that may be exactly the reason most people buy a Fit--it's not an Accord, it's a 5-door hatchback with tons of cargo capacity, easy to drive and park in the city, nimble handling, better fuel economy.
BTW, the MSRP of an Accord VP w/o destination isn't $17,000, it's a bit over $18,000. But that is moot since the destination charge is almost never negotiable.
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Gone are the old days of DIY repairs and inexpensive independant garages. Everything costs a fortune today.
My dealer says a minimum of 4 months. Does this sound reasonable? I'm in Madison and close enough to Chicago, Minneapolis, Milwaukee and other metro areas that I wouldn't mind driving a bit. Should I contact dealers in other areas to see what they have or is it a foregone conclusion that every dealer in the country is out of stock on the Fit?
I'm selling my 2005 Accord EX-L and so getting the Fit in sooner rather than later would be a bonus to me. But I can walk or bike to work, take the bus and use our community car sharing program until it comes in. I just want it now! The payment and poor MPG on the EX-L was just too much with a new house and high gas prices. Plus I was hit 3 times within 3 months of buying it and I just haven't really enjoyed it that much as a result.
2 - Base automatics
1 - Sport 5 speed manual
5 - Sport automatics
This seems to me to be a ridiculously low number. They are in the top 15% of volume nationwide Honda dealers so I have no idea why they get such few. He also said only 20% of Fits are Base and only 20% of Base are Manual so the odds appear to be less than stellar through this dealership but I feel like it will be that way at every other dealer I try.
FWIW, a dealer in the Twin Cities, Burnsville Honda, told me a few days ago that there was a five-month wait list for Fits there. They had none in stock.