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Also, do I need to pay the excise tax on a used vehicle from a private party? I live in Maryland. Thanks!
Nice car in a great color with low miles...who could ask for more!
The Sandman
We are very impressed with the ride and audio system - it is the base system but very nice - drove down to Circuit city to change out the speakers as I always do- by the time I got there I ws not in a hurry to change them. I will wait on this swap.
In this weeks WSJ, there are two articles about how South Korea is anti-American with our products and our people! They are currently protesting the opening up of trade with US beef sellers. Lies are being spread that we will ship the Koreans mad cow disease meat, since "Americans will not even eat their own meat!". The article states that in fact the US consumes 96% of its own meat. However, large populations of Koreans are protesting.
Then, another article mentions how the the Korean government has sheltered Hyundai and Samsung from outside competition (American cars are not allowed to be sold in Korea!), and that Blackberry just struck a deal to come in. Of course, the Koreans are up in arms about this too.
This i snot free-trade. How can American companies compete in a pseudo free-trade environment when Hyundai doe snot have to compete in its own back yard? All that saved money is used for other purposes that gives it an unfair advantage in the market place.
I have children, and I want them to have a future in this country. Therefore, my money will not go to Korea and stimulate more hate and economic destruction for Americans. (Hyundai North Americafired all the American senior managers and replaced them with Koreans, how blatant is that?!?!)
I will buy any other brand but Hyundai or Kia.
And before someone mentions that some Hyundai's are built in the US, that means very little in today's world. Manufacturing is not a profit center. For example, Ipods are built in China, but Apple in California (HQ) where the innovation and design took place, is collecting the billions of dollars and not China. Same is true for Hyundai.
I hope you will check my facts if you are not convinced.
In this weeks WSJ, there are two articles about how South Korea is anti-American with our products and our people! They are currently protesting the opening up of trade with US beef sellers. Lies are being spread that we will ship the Koreans mad cow disease meat, since "Americans will not even eat their own meat!". The article states that in fact the US consumes 96% of its own meat. However, large populations of Koreans are protesting.
=> Some of you guys have tendency to drive things in one direction like "those guys are anti-American" when someone complains about things. The reality is this. Currently, American people are not eating beef that is from cows that are more than 20 months old as they are more prone to mad cow disease. Also, you are not consuming parts that are susceptible to mad cow disease. The stupid Korean president, however, quickly agreed to import beef regardless of age and of susceptibility of mad cow disease. Are Korean people angry? Yes. They are angry at their president and current administration because they don't seem to care about wellness of their own people. What do they want? They want to consume exactly the same beef as you (American citizens) are eating. I do not see any anti-American feeling in here.
Then, another article mentions how the the Korean government has sheltered Hyundai and Samsung from outside competition (American cars are not allowed to be sold in Korea!), and that Blackberry just struck a deal to come in. Of course, the Koreans are up in arms about this too.
=> You are utterly ignorant. American cars have been sold in Korea more than 15 years. The import of American cars were allowed at the same time as those from other countries. But, the sale of American cars has always been slow while those of German and Japanese cars continued to grow. Do you know what Korean government did to make people buy more American cars? Korean government purchased about 100 Taurus to use highway patrol cars, which was about 8~9 years ago, to urge people to buy American cars and to avoid trade conflict. Do you know any country (among those that make their own cars) that use foreign cars as police cruiser?
Also, Blackberry? Give me a break! As for cell phones and electronic stuff, Korean companies are really competitive. Nokia withdrew from Korean market several years ago. And, market share of Sony-Ericsson and Motorola are really really low not because Korean government is giving disadvantage to these companies but Korean people do not buy them. Lots of foreign companies withdrew or changed their way of doing business (e.g., Philips is no longer selling TVs in Korea. Instead, they are concentrating on coffee machine and shaver. I think they are smart). Maybe, it took Blackberry a while to analyze their marketeability in Korea.
If Korean government is doing so unfair business, do you think American government would keep quiet about it? Do you know what FTA is? This free trade deal was agreed between Korean and American government, but, unfortunately, it is being delayed because American senate and Korean national assembly have not approved it.
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My husband wanted to offer $17,600 since he thought they would take anything over what CarMax would offer. I disagreed as selling to me is more of a hassle - needed to check up on title, lien release-all that good stuff and since they are leaving the country next week - I don't think they wanted to be really bothered (they are selling their 2003 Corolla to CarMax with 45K miles for $5,500. So I offered $18,200 and they accepted. I have never bought a used car before - this is only my second car in 14 years - I bought a 1994 Camry new which now has almost 200,000 miles - so I hope this car will serve me well for the long haul. I am still working out the payment/insurance and I hope I can take possesion of it later today or tomorrow.
By the way, in response to frank_1, I asked these sellers, who happen to be Korean, if American cars are sold in Korea. He thought I was crazy to ask such a question and said of course. Knowing a lot of Korean-americans, they really like their BMWs and Mercedes-Benzes.
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The Sandman
Have you ever been to Asia? If you had been, you would have observed that most of the Asians prefer small cars like Suzuki Swift, Hyundai Getz/Santro, Tata Indica, Tata Nano etc The reason is that gas is very very very expensive there ($10-12 per gallon). These small cars sip fuel gingerly, are easy to park & maneuver.
Ford & GM have been in India for close to 15-20 years but are far far behind when compared to Hyundai, Suzuki etc in India. It is the same case in many other Asian countries. WHy? It is because, till today GM & Ford don't have a small car platform to produce small cars the market demands. Instead, they want to produce big land yachts & expect people to buy them. As a business principle, you produce what the market demands, not what you demand the market to absorb. The key to succeed in Asia? SMALL FUEL SIPPING CARS!!!!
And another thing.... GM bought the ailing Daewoo in Korea. Now, last year GM-Daewoo became the LARGEST selling car maker in Korea, surpassing Hyundai/Kia!
there is spell check available for your post.........
I passed because everyone I personally know (and trust) that has a Hyundai (three Sonatas and one Azera) has suspension noise problems, all described as a hollow feeling, with clanking and/or thunking sounds, while transversing rough pavement.
Nothing bothers me more than squeaks, rattles or suspension noise. It's the one thing that more than anything else drains confidence in a product and sucks any notion of quality out of a vehicle's perception, no matter what else can be said about a vehicle.
Personally I don't agree with it and it conflicts with the individual systems "verdicts" on page 91. However, on page 91, they also rate the '07 as below average as a used car.
They cannot go back and change their ratings from the 2007 issue. However, I asked them to explain how the 07 dropped from great to POS and they did not respond.
They also state that the Azera is a "good value and performs well." Page 11.
On page 34, they list it [2008] as a Quick Recommendation for sedans for being "roomy and having a good ride." They downgrade it for MPG, but it actually has the same overall MPG as their most highly recommended Infiniti M35 and G35 and better than the G35 AWD.
Biased? Conflicting? Unintelligible? You bet, but there it is.
Compare size, content and quality, nothing beats it.
I had no problems and gas mileage is in line with cars that size.
We have the 2007 Limited bought new off the showroom floor. It has almost 39,000 miles on it and we'd buy another. In fact I was thinking of looking for a used one for myself to drive and sell the 1996 Grand Am with 228,000 miles on it.
We've had no problems and certainly none of the front clunking issues even on bumpy roads.
We get 28 mpg going to LA and to Silver Springs, Nevada. Its a quiet car, good ride and great handling. I rotated the tires in my driveway and change my own oil.
No issues here. Just wish it had Air Conditioned seats like the Lincoln Zephr we test drove and decided on the Azera instead, no regrets.
I think CR is using incomplete data or making assumptions based on the few complaints they've heard about.
The trunk is cavernous with an easy low sill access, back seats swing down, rear sunshade, sun visor extensions, door pockets that flip out to reach bottom easier. Heated seats, well lit dash, lots of shoulder room. I'm 5'7 and love the roominess. Kids come to town and we pile into the Azera. The sun roof has a sliding panel to completely block out the overhead sun.
Its a very good car regardless of pricing or past reputation of the Hyundai.
Vick
Would anyone out there with recent purchase of a 2008 Azera share his/her buying experience, especially the pricing and driving after the purchase? Also, would it be a good idea to wait for the 2009 model to come out? Are there any improvements on the 2009 Azera over the 2008 car? Thanks a lot.
If mileage is real important, get the Sonata with the 4 banger, or the Azera with the 3.3 V-6, but the luxury levels of those will be less than the Azera Limited.
Luck and fun with your shopping.
Now to say that I have had different vechiles in recent years might be a under statement. 2002 F150 Harley Davidson Supercharged, 1996 Impala SS Supercharged [my play toy] 2005 Magnum RT, 2006 Caddie SRX, & 2006 Trailblazer SS [395HP].
Well I love my Azera,[power,comfort & style]. Well equipped & price after $5,000. factory rebate was great .
I agree on the last statement the prev. posted. If you all the bells etc. with good power & mileage then Azera LTD got it all[well almost all].
Getting 18 mpg (local/city?) is not bad for the Limited with 3.8 engine. However, I have new concerns after reading the postings on this forum. The woodgrain steering wheel and the door pulls have chipping easily and need repair just after one year or so.
I need all the help/advice I can get on the Azera Ltd with nav and ultimate package.
He may have meant dealer selling price compared to MSRP and rebates totaling $5000 under MSRP.
On the matter of the streering wheel thing, I have only heard from 2006 owners I believe. Looking how the wheel is made it would have too have heavy abuse to chip it.
One word of warning. I think my 2008 has the front end shudder. You can feel it around 40 and again around 70. I have increased tire pressure and it helped, but didn't eliminate it.
From what I am reading, Hyundai has yet to find a way to address this and service managers simply say "I don't feel it". Mine has already been back for tire alancing - no change. When the dealership called for their sales experience survey, I informed them of this problem and never received a follow up call. The salesman called today to get the number of a prospective friend and customer. I shared the problem with him and he could not have been less interested.
I called the friend/prospective buyer and warned him. No sese in two of us being carsick due to the vibration that no one else can feel.
I have 1400 miles on the car and am already wondering how long it will be before I can trade it in.
From what I have read, I am in for several visits with service managers saying it is my imagination and that the car is fine. If anyone has advice to help me avoid regular visits to the dealership (without any resolution) I would greatly appreciate it. I
My question mark key has suddenly quick working.
Back to bearings. Way back in another lifetime when growing up and learning cars I discovered the wheel bearings need to be properly adjusted to avoid shudders, shakes and shimmies as well as premature failure.
They cannot be just installed and tightened down.
I have seen youngsters over tighten and other times just tighten enough to take up the slack and pin it in place.
They ought to be tighten while rotating the wheel and then backed off to the next available cotter key hole and rechecked for looseness.
Do you do your own maintenance or know someone who can jack up the front and check the bearings.
We're over 40,000 miles on our Azera and love it.
This last week the plastic covering under the drivers side seat under the car, about 12 inches wide by 36 inches long, broke and dealer replaced it in less than an hour after the call to them. No hassle, no charge. The 2 screw holding the leading edge broke away around the holes. That was Groppetti Hyundai in Visalia, Ca.
We'll buy another Azera when the time comes.
Vick
There is TSB addressing this problem.
Insist that your service writer look it up and if he can't be bothered, go
to the service manager and on up the line until you get satisfaction.
Glad to help out when I can. :surprise:
08-SS-003 "TIRE AND WHEEL VIBRATION AND RADIAL FORCE VARIATION"
In so many words, thay are telling the dealer to get the wheels balanced properly using the Hunter GSP9700.
There is no better way to do this as long as the tech knows how to read and
can follow the simply instructions printed out on that machines' computer.
Funny, I have been preaching about that machine for years and
even here before, and all of a sudden, Hyundai issues a TSB? :confuse:
If you cannot print it out, send me a request on my private email and I will send it to you.
DHG
The TSB that I am refering to is 08-SS-003
08-SS-003 MARCH, 2008
ALL TIRE AND WHEEL VIBRATION AND RADIAL FORCE VARIATION
THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES TSB# 06-50-013
TO INCLUDE 2008 MODEL YEAR VEHICLES.
Yes, there was indeed an earlier TSB, but note that this later one supersedes it! :surprise:
We do know that many service department personel barely know how to read,
and 'couldn't care less' about what the customer is complaining about.
When he goes to his dealer and quotes that TSB, he will most likely get some results.
If he should not get favorable results, he can and I hope will complain to the Hyundai at the corporate level.
No! What you are saying is contradictory.
You are saying that you do not think that Hyundai believes that there is a specific issue with
this problem that many, not only Azera owners are experiencing, but other models as well.
I ask you: Why would Hyundai have issued the TSB and even help with the pricing
of the Hunter GSP9700 if they did not want the dealers to fix the problem?
Does that make sense? :confuse:
I know of at least one person who had been back to his dealer many times with
this same problem and the dealer had done everything but use the GSP9700.
The dealer changed wheels, tires and rebalanced different wheels and tire combinations
but the problem continued. As soon as the owner brought in that TSB and the
dealer followed the instructions to the letter, no more problems. :surprise:
Thanks for the TSB info. I'l let you know how it turns out.
Who will take your car to the Chevy dealership, you or your Hyundai dealer?
Instruct whoever that you insist that the tech who is the system operator
list the "Road Force' number readings for each individual wheel.
This is the key to whether or not your problem will be corrected.
These road force reading must be below a certain number of pounds, the
lower the better. I have read that this reading must be 15 pounds or less.
I wish you would take the time to read up on the Hunter site as to
what happens or needs to happen when this system is used.
Again, those road force readings must be below a certain number
of pounds or the point of the whole proceedure is for nothing.
When they find the bad wheel or wheels, what did the tech
do to correct the problem, and above all else, was it fixed?
In many cases, it has been reported that no matter what the tech tried, there was
no way to correct the problem without those bad Michelins being replaced.
Yes, bad tires, and Michelin does know about this and Michelin
is replacing those tires that were evidently from a bad batch. :surprise:
Good luck.
Model - 3.3 or 3.8
Price before TTL and trade in.
So did you in fact keep your appointment and take it in to the Cheby dealer and
did they, using their Hunter GSP9700 balancing system, correct your problem? :confuse:
For contrast, I drove my 2002 Stratus R/T (not known for a smooth ride) and our 2001 Town and Country Van. The Azera is smoother, except for a couple of speeds where it just seems to be uneasy. It seems I read somewhere that it might be an issue where the Tranny bolts to the engine. Whatever it is, it is still there.
I have no idea as to what to do next. Any advice would be appreciated.
Congratulations.
Since your new 2008 Azera is what I would call a late 2008, you have got the latest shocks,
front part number 54611-3L640 which evidently were installed beginning 10/20/07.
No one I know of has been 5K miles yet on these newest shocks,
so it will be interesting to see if these newest shocks hold up.
You will know even before 5K miles as yours may (I hope not!) go South as all but the original early
2006 MYs have done. Evidently Azeras built prior to Dec. 05, 2005 had good shocks and did
not experience any problems like the cars built from Dec. 05, 2005 to Oct. 20, 2007.
Please let us know how your late 2008 Azera holds up in this department. :confuse:
I cannot wait until someone gets 5K miles or more on these latest shocks and reports no porposing
problems as many have experienced with cars built from Dec. 05, 2005 through Oct. 20, 2007.
I expect that you will not have any problems with your new late Azera.
My Azera was built on 12/21/07."
And therein lies the secret!
Azeras built 10/20/07 and later have the latest supposely improved shocks, part
number 54611-3L640 for the fronts and 55311-3L640 for the rear shocks.
I am a committee of one who is trying to determine if indeed these newest parts,
especially the fronts, are going to stand up for more than 5K miles. :confuse:
Please keep me posted with the good news that yours do hold up!