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Hyundai Santa Fe vs Toyota RAV4 vs Mazda CX-7 vs Ford Edge
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Not making judgements, just stating facts.....
You know it! Now, let's add some controversy and I'll get flamed for this one... :blush:
Remember the former poster who stated that he felt the RAV4 was feminine? I think the REAL issue is he's more concerned with what his buddies think. After all, why would he make such a statement? His buddies think the RAV4 is feminine therefore, he has the same opinion. If he buys the RAV4, he'll get ribbed. Teased. Guilt by association. He doesn't want to be caught owning one. IT'S NOT BUTCH ENOUGH!
Sorta of like when Arnold Schwarzenegger, accused the state legislature of being "girly-men", for not thinking like him.
A REAL man doesn't care what others think. If I want to own a new VW Beetle, then by god, I'll own one!
Now, I'm waiting for someone to say the CX-7 is feminine. Go ahead, say it!
Ok ladies and gentlemen, there, I've said it. I've got a bullseye on my back...go ahead and flame me! I'm prepared! :shades:
Vince.
Rule #1: If your car has fuel injection, a catalytic converter, or metric parts, it's a girlie car.
Rule #2: If your car is not rear-wheel-drive, it's a girlie car. If it has all-wheel-drive, it's a truck.
Rule #3: If you are not in England and wearing a tweed cap, and your car has a convertible top, it's a girlie car.
Okay, that being said... I love my "girlie" CX-7, but I'd rather be under a shade tree working on a '67 Camaro than waiting in the Mazda service department lounge any day. I say the car industry has emasculated all of us guys by making our cars rolling computers that you have to have a college degree to take care of. They've turned us all into posers. Even my Vette-owning friends have a boutique they buy horsepower from. Bring back lap belts, vapor lock, and bias-ply tires, I say. John Wayne (and Arnie) would be proud.
Cars can very easily be masculine or feminine. They are often designed to appeal to one or the other. I never knew or saw a man driving the previous-generous RAV4. The new model looks less feminine, and is a car I would consider buying. It's a great value.
On the spare tire cover...I was referring to the cover, not to the general feature of having a spare tire in back. The body-color cover really accentuates a cutesy feminine look. The salesman and I laughed at the dramatic change produced by merely removing the cover -- an exposed spare tire changes the look completely.
You stated the RAV4 has a slightly feminine look and then you bolstered your argument by mentioning the spare tire cover.
I had owned the 2004 RAV4 and loved it, but not once considered it feminine. I bought it cuz consumer reports raved about it, it had all the features I wanted and it was priced right. It looked pretty decent, too.
Now that you've chosen to rejoin the discussion (hiding huh?), can you tell me what makes a vehicle feminine vs masculine? My son says the current 2007 Mustang is a chick car. So, from one perspective, that makes the 2007 RAV4 and the Mustang similar. What features in a car distinguish it masculine vs feminine? Yes, I'm putting you on the spot. :shades:
Brave enough to educate us all?
:P
Vince.
Really, it's all pretty subjective. I liked the CX-7 because it seemed LESS girly to me than some of the other cross-overs out there. I kinda thought it had a "mean" look to it. It also always amazes me how the COLOR of the car can dramatically change how you see it. Silver (to me) just looked blah. The black (by it's nature) and the white (probably because of all the black accents) looked the least "girly".
But of course, take that from me - a woman! :P
I do think that pulling the cover off a RAV4 spare makes the little SUV look "harsher" than pulling the cover off of my Sportage's spare tire. Oh, yes, indeed.
2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed
CX-7, of course! :P
V.
You nailed it buddy...
In my opinion, All of these small SUV/CUV are nothing but cleverly disguised mini vans that men will drive.... Get over it...
P.S. I personally think that smooth curving surfaces make a vehicle look more feminine that squared off sharp edge surfaces...Guess why...
Show me a mini van that can keep pace with the CX-7/RAV 6/Santa 6 and I'll buy it!
And in response to your Q, I give up, why?
Since they are all mini-vans, I assume that the all of them can keep pace with themselves...
As far as I know, there is no law that says a mini van can't be sporty.....?
And in response to your Q, I give up, why?
In my opinion, curves give a vehicle a feminine look because women usually have nicer curves than men. I think a Corvette for example looks feminine...
P.S. I love the little CX-7... If it had a decent towing capacity ( i.e. my boat 2500lb boat ) I would buy one, but it is still a mini-van...
If it makes you happy to belive that, I see nothing wrong with it...
And I am not offended by your lack of education. Now, quit trying to stir stuff up.
What is an SUV? What is a wagon? What is a van?
One person inferred that the CX-7 is a Van.
Another said the CX-7 is a wagon.
And of course, the CX-7 is more akin to an SUV.
So, what defines an SUV?
Think back to the 70's when wagons were popular. How can the CX-7 look anything like a wagon?
and the CX-7 looks like a mini-van? For real?
Ok, ladies and gentlemen, define point by point, what is a van VS a wagon VS an SUV.
Vince.
SUV
A vehicle that offers available four- or all-wheel-drive and raised ground clearance in combination with a two- or four-door wagon or convertible body
Wagon
A car with a wagon body configuration and a roofline that extends past the rear doors.
Minivan
A vehicle with a short hood and a box-shaped body enclosing a large cargo/passenger area.
Crossovers are considered market segments on those pages but I suspect a little digging would turn up some definitions for them around here.
SUV
A vehicle that offers available four- or all-wheel-drive and raised ground clearance in combination with a two- or four-door wagon or convertible body
Wagon
A car with a wagon body configuration and a roofline that extends past the rear doors.
Minivan
A vehicle with a short hood and a box-shaped body enclosing a large cargo/passenger area.
Crossovers are considered market segments on those pages but I suspect a little digging would turn up some definitions for them around here."
Well, there you go! Matter settled! CX-7 is most closely aligned with the SUV!!!!
Ok disagreers, speak up! :P
SUV
Drivetrain - It must have 4 wheel drive, Locking Differential, Locking Hubs, a skid plate, and a low gear range. It also has to have enough engine and trans to tow 3500-5000lb. Any vehicle that can't tow at least 3500lb is NOT an SUV.
Interior - Room for Five Adults and enclosed cargo area. A Removable bed cover over a crew cab type truck would be an acceptable definition...
I stand firm in that these little so called "suv" without the proper drivetain are just mini vans ( possibly tall wagons ) that men will be caught dead driving...
In short, a real SUV is what you use to tow the guy out of the woods that though he was driving an SUV...
There's no Sport in this type of the SUV.
The flip side of the coin is, I think the "real men" who drive the "real SUVs" you describe in an urban environment (or as commuter vehicles) either have a screw loose, or a trouser confidence problem.
Personally, I gave up my 14 mpg F-150 4X4 when I finally realized I don't move house that often or work on a farm. Also, the post-apocalyptic nuclear winter I always bragged about being able to slog through in the thing never came. So I bought "a tall wagon" instead.
The flip side of the coin is, I think the "real men" who drive the "real SUVs" you describe in an urban environment (or as commuter vehicles) either have a screw loose, or a trouser confidence problem.
Personally, I gave up my 14 mpg F-150 4X4 when I finally realized I don't move house that often or work on a farm. Also, the post-apocalyptic nuclear winter I always bragged about being able to slog through in the thing never came. So I bought "a tall wagon" instead.
I understand your desire to convience yourself that you really wanted to get rid of the truck...
P.S. It's ok....
even spell check won't correct it to you're.
We may as well stick to the topic rather than pointlessly chiding each other over trivial spelling errors.
tidester, host
However, if you read closely, you are in a thread that consists of "crossover SUV's" Crossover SUV's by definition uses a car design and components for lighter weight and better fuel economy.
This new type of vehicle came about from the numerous complaints by consumers to the manufacturers about the undesirable "truck-like" ride and demands for a "car-like" ride.
Mazda Tribute=SUV
Mazda CX-7=crossover SUV
Mazda Tribute=crossover SUV
Mazda CX-7=crossover SUV
fixed
Is the Escape a crossover then? How about the Mariner?
These forums are for an exchange of information. Every now and then some of us enjoy a bit of fun. If you look back sranger was doing just that. I thought I would jump in. Again, just having a bit of fun no harm was intended.
P.S.
" CHIDING " Nice! Had to look that one up...:)
And so do some of the hosts.
tidester, host
The Mazda Tribute v6 with the tow package has a tow cap. of 3500lbs. It also is a 4x4, not AWD. So, by the original definition of a "SUV", if we are to go by that (tow cap. of a truck in a passenger vehicle), the Tribute V6 w/tow is an "SUV".
I am well aware of that platform the Tribute is based off of, basically making it a crossover SUV. As stupid as this whole thing sounds, the Tribute V6 w/tow is a "SUV", the other trim levels are "crossover SUV's", if you want to go by the definition of what an SUV and a crossover SUV is.
My original point was to show how the CX-7 is a "crossover SUV" (which I happen to prefer), and how the Tribute can be considered an "SUV"
Really stupid, I know. Just makes good debate :shades:
So, using that same analogy, a CX-7 w/towing can be considered an SUV while a CX-7 without towing is a cross-over? :confuse:
Vince. :shades:
Cars, vans, and trucks/suvs.
The 4th is a hybrid called wagons/ crossovers.
Cars handle well and get good gas mileage.
Wagons/crossovers, can hold more luggage, and offer awd.
Vans hold maximum amount of people and cargo space, a very useful box, or "living room" on wheels, but no full frame.
Trucks are working vehicles, no more no less.
SUVS are covered trucks, that still have min.3500lb towing with limited passenger compartment, due to high floor/ground clearance.
The new crossovers are modified wagons, that sit higher off the road. I think they are useful for people who don't need trucks, but enjoy the truck image, however, they are no longer specialists. They dont accomplish the primary tasks, of cars, vans, or trucks exceedingly well. BUT then again I haven't tried the new Honda MDX.
After testing a Cx7, try driving a BMW3-wagon. Thats the superior wagon !