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2007 Hyundai Accent v 2007 Toyota Yaris Lift
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Ain't that the truth from a Toyota salesperson
FYI - what if the OP is far away from your dealer? Can you still get him a Yaris in less than 24hrs?
In all seriousness, I was more impressed with the Accent. I took back-to-back test drives - first the Yaris Liftback, then the Accent 3 Door, both loaded. Being hatchbacks, I was looking for excitement, and the results weren't even close. The Accent SE ran away, the larger wheels, the sport-tuned suspension, and other add-ons made the Accent an exhilarating drive. Handling was superb as well on the SE.
Personally, my recommendation is to test drive both cars to find out which one fits the best.
A Toyota might not fit a personal taste, while an Accent
could be perfect! Test drive is a must!!!! All this talk about the Accent, how come no one has mentioned the KIA Rio?
Same car!! Same company!! Same motor!! Last time I checked
witch was five minutes ago, they are the same!
Ohh, yea almost forgot, We do a search 200-300 miles, most cases 24hrs, some 48hrs
Why? I wanted a hatchback for utility and versatility.
I don't think "excitement" is a standard feature at this price point... peppy and nimble characteristics, maybe... but not "excitement."
the main difference is that the rio5 is 4 doors and a small difference is the price
accent SE AT:15,312$
rio5 AT: 15,131$
both TMV on edmunds
it is too bad i have to give up hyundai (and kia) because i really really like the accent a lot!!
but they cost too much to insure versus the yaris.
300$+ more a year might not be a lot for some ppl but i dont see how i can justify paying more for the accent at purchase, more on insurances plus according to recent crash tests, the accent is not as safe. It just doesn't make any sense to me to go with the accent anymore.
the Yaris and the Versa (if i can find one to test drive) are the ones still on my list at this point.
"Certain car models may be considered risky because they cost a lot to repair, are frequently involved in accidents or are popular with car thieves. Owning one of these cars may double your collision and comprehensive premiums. High-performance cars and sports cars, for example, usually cost more to insure. Keep this in mind when shopping for a car to prevent costly surprises when it comes time to insure it."
Actually, if the IIHS ratings (was it two weeks ago?) factored in by your logic, the Yaris wouldn't fare well in the insurance rates game either
And, just to clear up, Hyundai's resale values are not the worst, far from it, the company has actually made dramatic improvements.
i will not start "bashing" hyundai because i still think they are good cars that are worth considering but it is just not right for me at this point in time.
Your standards for handling must be quite low to consider the handling of a $12K Hyundai "superb." Was your previous car a '95 Crown Vic?
I think you meant that Hyundai's resale values are the worst.
Edmunds 2006 Worst resale values:
1. Rio
2. Accent
3. Spectra
5. Elantra
7. Optima
Where is the improvement?
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/top10/115613/article.html
2006 Cars.com Worst resale values
1. Rio
9. Accent
http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=buy&subject=best_resale&story=lo- Residual&referer=&aff=national
This resale value, Dude actually thinks there resale has improved??? Come on, Its Hyundai, Check out the stats on the other 15 web-sites about Hyundai! You see I don't believe in looking at numbers, options, Horsepower, engine size, etc.... We all can figure out that on our own! My question is how does it actually drive? My 2005 Hyundai had a 2.4L 16V DOHC, I could of ran faster up the hills here in Western Maryland, Car drove like heavy rock! Thats wy I got rid of it!! My wife came home with it one day, Its was her car WE hated it, so I basically gave it away! We lost so much money, because of the crappy resale value, We didn't care, we are so happy now with our new car, its unreal!! The point to my story is she read the window sticker, saw all the numbers,options,MPG, 16V, 2.4L DOHC, etc.... Did not drive it, and we paid the price, Thanks Hyundai!!
Hyundai does not hold the worst resale values industry. When factoring the whole line, it has average resale values overall (some are better than others - i.e. Santa Fe, Tucson). Room for improvements? Of course, and Hyundai is making great strides, FWIW.
Yes, the handling on the SE was superb. If nothing else, it has a lot more "fun to drive" factor than the Yaris liftback. Also, the SE was a lot more stiff.
When you say the car drove like a rock and you could ran faster up the hills, you do know most midsize are sold with inline 4s, which all come in with similar configurations. The Sonata (EF) range actually had quite a bit of satisfying customers, IIRC, and I can vouch for since my friend owns one. The I4 did not lack in power, just enough...it's an I4 !!
Interestingly enough, the EF Sonata actually gave Hyundai a competitive midsize, and it continued with the new (current) Sonata (NF), which is leaps ahead of the previous generation, plus two new proven power plants.
I digress, back to regular discussions
Actually, according to Edmunds, Hyundai has more vehicles listed on the "worst resale value list" in 2006 than in the past.
2005 worst resale value: 0 Hyundai vehicles
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/top10/103628/article.html
2004 worst resale value: 4 Hyundai vehicles
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/top10/102471/article.html
What are you talking about? Almost all midsize come with I-4, Inline, Stright, four-banger, whatever you want to call it. I-4 is an internal combustion engine with four cylinders aligned in one row
You sell cars for a living and you don't know this?
You can trust me or you don't have to. Edmunds is a great place but it is not the end of all lists.
Just to clarify, this whole time you have been linking top 10 lists, however, the original poster was questioning Hyundai's resale value. And, as a whole line (Hyundai and Kia, since you combined both), hardly the worst. Why? Because while the lower range (i.e. Accent/Rio) has worse-than-average values, the meat of the pack (i.e. Santa Fe, Tuscon) do have above average rankings.
And yes, most midsize do come with 4s, aka I-4s. You claim you are a car salesman, then this is the basic knowledge you should have known. By the way, again, VVT-i is just Toyota's version of variable valve timing auto piston engine technology, a lot of automakers have them, not something to wow or brag about...
Follow the thread - I started talking about the Sonata's inline 4, you came back saying no other midsize is sold with inline 4 except the Sonata (another incorrect jab at Hyundai). I corrected you - inline 4 = I-4 = straight 4 = 4 banger, etc...
Here I am quoting what you posted:
"Sorry, midsize cars do NOT come with inline 4s, HYUNDAI'S midsize cars do!"
Listen to how ignorant that sentence sounds...
I have been talking about midsize this whole time. Most midsize (i.e. Camry, Sonata, Accord, Altima) come with standard I4 and optional V6.
I hope you are not confusing yourself. Where you got those small cars from my post, I have no idea. By the way, it's Corolla, not Carolla (you sell Toyotas, right?), and escort ceased production in 2002, replaced by the focus.
Shall we get back to Accent vs. Yaris?
You posted MOST midsize cars come with I4s,
Guess what, Your wrong, again!!!!!!!
Base midsize come with 4s, and MOST cars are not base models, Yes I sell Toyotas and we have maybe four base models on the hole lot!!! As well as the other eight dealerships on the same road, they have a few base models, everything else 6cyl, with options as demanded bye the buyer!! I've sold cars in four other states, I've sold Hyundai, Ford, Chevy, GMC, Toyota, Lexus, Jag, Buick, Cadillac do I need to Keep going? So your getting into an argument with the wrong person! And no S#@T, Who didn't know the Escort ceased production!! I was giving examples so your slow__________________ could understand, Fill in the blank!!
Yes, most midsize do come and are sold with I4s. What was wrong with that statement?
Keep in mind, your dealership (what the heck, throw in your next door dealer) only sell a fraction of what the whole US sells in midsize. While you might sell more V6s, overall buyers of I4s exceed V6s.
You lost all your credibility when you said the Sonata is sold with inline 4s but the rest of midsize are not. And, lose the personal attacks.
The topic at hand is the '07 Accent v. the '07 Yaris Lift.
Soooooo,
What has more cubic feet in trunk space, The Accent or the Yaris? Accent Hatch or Yaris Lift back? Do they call the Accent Hatchback a hatchback? Or is it something else?
If Toyota gets its brains in order and starts selling the Yaris 5-door in the States (c'mon Toyota, don't be THIS stupid, go head to head with Honda and Nissan why dontcha'??), I wonder if Hyundai will counter with some type of Accent 5-door, perhaps a rebadged and slightly softened (in the suspension) Rio5.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I don't want to be limited to a hatchback in only a 5-door if I choose to buy another Yaris, around 2013. If Toyota discontinued the 3-door, I'd probably look elsewhere, at other fuel-efficient 2- or 3-door vehicles.
Oh, let's not forget to bow down to the mighty VVT, available at every automaker
I had a Matrix - that is a car that DESPERATELY needs a stick for its tiny little engine, and I made the mistake of buying auto, because when they first came out they were very hard to find in stock. Sold that little bugger in 18 months. There won't be another of those in my driveway as long as the current model continues.
And boris: yes, my vision includes 3- and 5-door Yaris models! :-)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Hyundai Accent Base GS hatchback: $34,144
Toyota Yaris Base Liftback: $34,168
Pretty even to me. If anything, Accent with a slight advantage. I'd continue to say both are pretty even overall. Toyota with some advantages, while Hyundai excels in other areas.
I know you are a Toyota salesman so your obvious bias within your posts. Due us all a favor, at least test drive the Accent, like the other poster did, instead of taking another jab at someone who actually enjoyed the Accent hatchback. By the way, the Accent hatchback did only become available a few months ago.
Neither the Accent nor Yaris hatchbacks have been crash-tested.
Yes...you can order a Yaris hatch that way, but the dealers, at least here in the midwest, discourage ordering any vehicle. They want to sell what they have in their inventory, and, since they like to advertise the Yaris hatch as a Toyota's loss-leader, you won't see any offered with much in the way of accessories, since this pushes up the sticker price.
It has been my experience that new car dealers hardly ever have the best interests of the manufacturers they represent in mind. Speaking of dealers and manufacturers as the same entity is not being realistic. Manufacturers have notoriously had a very difficult time getting dealers in the US to sell their cheapest line of cars. Dealers will flat-out tell you there is just no money in hawking economical small cars.
I live in the Midwest (Michigan) and I did special-order a Yaris hatchback. In the Detroit area, I was told by two separate large Toyota dealers that I was not allowed to order the car with the power package (which includes power windows and door locks, a split 60/40 fold-flat rear seat, and alloy 15" wheels).
My solution? I took my business to an Ohio dealer and they took my order (Yaris hatchback, 5-speed, with power package... and I added the side airbags and ABS too).
I don't care if it takes four months to get it delivered -- I am getting what I want.
"Manufacturers have notoriously had a very difficult time getting dealers in the US to sell their cheapest line of cars. Dealers will flat-out tell you there is just no money in hawking economical small cars."
Unless the sheer volume of small cars being sold goes way up. That, of course, will happen soon enough when gasoline reaches $4 and $5 per gallon in the next few years.
I think the sheer volume of small cars being sold WOULD go way up, if dealers were more interested in selling them to begin with. Around here we have at least a half-dozen Honda dealers, but as of last week only one of those dealers even had a single Honda Fit for the public to look at, and it was stuck way in the back of the dealer's lot. You can go right now to visit these local Honda dealer's websites, and not find a single mention of a Honda fit as even existing as a model in the Honda line. And this is after Honda reported last spring to the news media that they were going to spend 50 million on an ad campaign for the Fit. Where are all the new car ads in the local paper for the Fit? What is that about?
Small car sales are being dampered by lack of dealer enthusiasm more than anything else. They don't really care what the buying public wants. They figure their high-pressure sales teams can talk about anyone into buying something that they can make the bigger bucks on, and they are right. It is what the dealer wants to sell that largely gets sold, and small-profit economical small cars is not that.
According to the very latest news reports the cost of oil may actualy continue to decline over the next few years, possibly going as low as 20 dollars a barrel. Why this could happen is a whole other subject in itself, but if it is true small car demand may soften coinsiderably.
P.S The test drive sucked!!!!!!!!!!!!