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Toyota Yaris Real-World MPG
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Love the YARIS S!!!!
Kevin
Kevin
That may work for lightly travelled roadways, but there are many occasions where driving 10-20 mph under the prevailing speeds constitutes an extreme hazard to yourself and everyone around you.
Try I-95 along the East coast when the center and right lanes are choked with trucks that want to go 70-75! Cars that want to travel at 80+ are in the left lane.
I drive a sub-compact and my safety isn't worth a couple of mpg. Better to move with the pack.
I guess speed enforcement doesn't happen where you drive or you can just take your tickets and pay them. "Everyone else is doing it" isn't a defense.
So for an automatic (sticks get better mileage even though the EPA tests don't show that) take the "combined" mileage as a starting point for actual freeway mileage and then subtract 3-5 mpg as a handicap for EPA "optimism" (that you'll drive moderately); then halve that for city driving only. That is a good estimate in my experience.
Finally, disregard the first tank mileage since dealers are in a hurry to get things done and usually don't "fill" the tank all the way.
Have seen as high as 38 MPG, but 35.5 - 36 MPG seems more realistic given need to run at decent speed on Freeway and using A/C when doing so for Defrost (during our frequent PNW rains) or for cooling in Summer.
We did get 38 MPG on one tank, and I am sure by babying it, we could do that more regularly.
The problem is that my wife drives it faster on the freeway than I do. She says, "It's happy going fast".
So guess we will settle for 35-36 MPG.
Not necessarily true.
I had a 1994 4 Dr Suzuki Sidekick, 1.9litre, manual tranny that consistently gave me 2 to 4 mpg over sticker. Surprised me. (And yes, as a prof. engineer w/ 20, uh something, years experience, I am adept at basic division of trip meter miles divided by gallons req'd to refill.)
The bottom line is that the tests do not truly reflect actual driving that most people do, and the effects of those differences may vary w/ different vehicle designs, particularly box vs. sleek and tranny/differential ratios which shift the "sweet spot" of the mpg curve.
The epa mpg values are meant only for comparison of one vehicle (of the same class) to another. So, I may get more than sticker w/ a boxy Suzuki Sidekick and slightly less w/ my wife's Honda Ody (as the case happens) because the effects of the difference btwn my patterns and the test are not the same for all vehicles I might drive.
OTOH, if you maintain the vehicle, and operate it conservatively, but still get 20% less than the published estimates, I would look into whether there are other issues.
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Kevin
Anyway, I've heard that Texas uses Ethanol blend gas which cuts your MPG significantly. Some Honda Fit owners in Texas have been reporting similar results.
I drive a Honda Fit in NC which does not use ethanol. I average ~37 MPG in 50/50 city/hwy driving with 100% a/c use. I think that your results would be very similar if you were not using ethanol. The Fit is very comparable to the Yaris in EPA ratings. (The Yaris is just a tad higher.)
Also, try bumping up your COLD tire pressure to 2 or 3 psi above the recommended level. It won't hurt your tire wear or affect ride quality that much, but it will help improve your MPG. Also consider switching to synthetic oil (like Mobil One) once you do your oil change. They are a little more expensive, but can possibly add to your MPG. Anyway, it's worth trying.
I havent driven above 70. Admiitadly i do press hard on the brakes and accelerate quickly but i cant see how that would cause 10MPG difference between other Yaris owners.
Does anyone know if NYC (Queens) has ethanol blended gas and how could i tell which gas stations do or do not use that? Did i get a dud??
I have a 4cyl w/auto and you can indeed lose 10 mpg in heavy city driving. Hard on the gas and brakes will do that!
I live in CT and all stations switched from MTBE to 10% ethanol some time ago. Gas mileage shouldn't suffer any more than 5% -- still 1.5 to 2 mpg with an economy car. No discounts due to the complexity of blending ethanol into the gas -- it can't be piped -- must be blended at each terminal.
The dirty little secret is that ethanol is actually MORE polluting, costs more to the consumer, takes government subsidies (which adds to our cost), and give poorer fuel economy. I also don't like the idea that ethanol is produced using precious farmland, water, fertilizer, etc. There is something terribly wrong with the whole idea.
I am not thrilled with ethanol. In Brazil, it means converting rainforest to monoculture sugar cane production. Worldwide it means using food for transportation, much of it unnecessary transportation.
Also, ethanol probably costs more energy to produce than it gives off. It's made relatively inexpensive due to massive farm subsidies that politicians are addicted to.
Get a small car, drive less and carpool. Get an electric bike. Mine averages 23 mph with moderate pedalling and gets about 2000 mpg. True cost to operate is 3 cents a mile vs. about 45 cents a mile for Yaris. I substitute 3000 miles a year of car travel with my LAFree Sport. The LAFree Lite is very good too.
In reporting mpg it's a good idea to fill the tank first oneself, recording the odometer reading, then refilling the tank, noting the gallons used and the miles covered. Several tanksful using this method will give a very accurate report, especially when driving conditions are noted: city/hwy, a/c use, driving style, etc.
Bob
Most of the analysis I've seen says that it takes less energy to make ethanol than it uses. Estimates vary quite a bit, though.
Bicycles are great if you don't mind taking your life in your hands. In Portland Oregon, realistically, I am not going to be using one outside of summer. Too much rain and cold for me.
My biggest hope involves the plug in hybrid, which rumor has it toyota will manufacture a prius with this feature in 2008-9. There are also add-on firms modifying cars to be plug in.
We are also supposed to start seeing clean diesel cars in the next couple years as well.
At any rate, we have a 56 cent tax on ethanol imports, which seems rather dumb. Better to sent the money to the middle east?
There's a great article in a recent Popular Mechanics about 10 energy solutions. One of them is the plug-in hybrid. The bit of technology that helps make this work is the lithium battery. It has about 3 times the capacity of lead-acid and about 50% more than the current standard, nickel metal dihydride. But the efficiency isn't much better overall than gasoline. The advantage is that you can "fill er up" with domestic electricity derived of wind, hydro, solar or, er, nuke. All of them have their own problems and costs. The only free ride is in the empty seats in American cars. That's why I like my 2000 mpg electic-bike. In the future cars that can tow a trailer will not be used to pick up a quart of milk. Vehicles will be tuned to driving needs: ebikes for commuting (2000 mpg-equivalent), small 30-mph electric cars for neighborhood travel (150 mpg-equivalent), efficiently powered conventional and diesel subcompacts (50-60 mpg).
Clean diesels do seem to be coming down the pike, lead by Europe's need to clean up their smog. Not sure they'll ever get clean enough for California. I believe the VW Lupo gets up to 80 mpg.
NEWS FLASH: The current issue of Popular Mechanics rated four subcompacts on their loop track as follows: Yaris, 37; Honda Fit, 35.8; Nissan Versa, 27.8; Kia Rio, 30.3. Sorry, I'm just reporting here: They preferred the Fit overall.
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I am afraid most americans won't buy in to your vision of the future.
Not to get long winded, I'll simply say that a vehicle that gets its first 50 miles a day off electric power charged overnight (when demand is slack), greatly reduces our dependence on oil..while costing the consumer less money. A very small percentage of our electricity is derived from oil. If I could get my first 50 electrically, I would very rarely see a gas station. BTW, they also are looking at uploading electricty from cars back into the grid.
If i recall, the Yaris tested was a sedan s. not that i would bet my life on my memory.
SLO used to be a nice sleepy town. I bet it is overrun now. no?
SLO is still kinda sleepy. Not too overrun as we have a growth cap of 2.3%. You can get a nice-ish 3/2 home here for $800,000. Knockdowns start at about $550,000 for a 2/1, no garage. But it's the perfect town for ebiking.
Anyway, thanks to all for on this list for our common sense when it comes to cars.
Bob
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too off topic for this board. I got redressed for talking diesel here once before.
35% 65% 33.7
40% 60% 33.6
25% 75% 35.8
25% 75% 35.8
20% 80% 35.9
25% 75% 35.5
25% 75% 35.0
25% 75% 36.0
25% 75% 37.1
I have a Liftback and have been running the AC quite a bit. I'm usually driving 75-80 MPH on the HWY. As you can see my mileage keeps improving.
BTW,I'm in Drive, I do not have the parking break on, I'm not towing anything, nor am I loaded down with stuff.
What gives?! Is mine just a :lemon: ???