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I was hoping that Nifty would have one that covers the exposed area between the 2nd row bucket seats as well.
Lalane
My only complaint(and I mean only) is the fact that the drivers side seat does not fully recline like my old Sub. What on earth is GM thinking?
Mine is used as a work truck (hey I get to write it off) and there are times during the day that I would appreciate being able to take 5 and relax.
As for spare tire sizes, brands, etc. I don't give a crap. They are for emergency use only in my book anyway. Unless they also used the same wheels no one would use them as part of a tire rotation schedule anyway.
I hit the 6000 mile mark today, so it might be early to say I have no more complaints. My last 2 Suburbans both had gas gauges that quit at 40,000 miles (convieniently out of warranty).
As you all know the seats are kick [non-permissible content removed] as well as the Bose sound system. If they would only recline! I don't know what took GM so long to build this truck.
Sorry not to offer any new ideas or reccomendations, but I know there are a lot of people that use this forum to gather information, as I did, and thought they might be interested.
Problems reported in earlier posts:
1...Paint rubbing off rear doors, due to doors being misaligned, FIXED,
2....Door lock manual switch fell out on drivers side door, Waiting for part,
ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS:
3...Drivers door creaks and squeaks when opened and closed, dealer could not eliminate the noises with lubricant, scheduled to be checked out
4...The SCV, speed compensated volume does not work on the 'Great Bose' radio,
I wonder what will fail tomorrow? Good work all you folks at General Motors.
Hey Toyota, build a vehicle to compete with the Suburban, build it, and I will come to buy.
I am sorry I have to say this, but GM brought it on themselves, with their poor quality control, and lack of respect for the buyer.
As for GM quality, JD Powers and the Harbour report, have both ranked GM as most improved US auto maker in both quality and efficiency.
This is what the Harbour report sez-
General Motors showed the most progress of any company in the 2001 report, with solid across-the-board improvements in its assembly, stamping and powertrain operations. GM was the most improved multiple plant company in assembly (9.4%), stamping equipment productivity (10%) and engine labor productivity (5.2%). What's more, GM took the overall lead in hours per transmission for the first time.
"For the past several years, GM has been working very hard on implementing lean manufacturing systems and processes throughout its operations," said Ron Harbour, president of Harbour and Associates. "As shown in The Harbour Report 2001 results, it is evident that GM has made significant improvement in its manufacturing operations."
You can check it all out at the following sites-
http://www.harbourinc.com/index.html
http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/
It sounds to me like you have a bum dealership, more than a quality issue. Once the little bugs get worked out I am sure you will see what a great truck you have there.
The writeups in the various publications u cited are fine and dandy, but all the favorable press does not overshadow a poor customer experience, make that experiences.
In spite of all that, I really do enjoy the Denali XL, and could not think of another vehicle i would rather have, except maybe, an Excursion, if Ford ever builds one to my liking, which I doubt will ever happen.
I will say however, if Toyota built a Suburban type vehicle that competes in the area of power and size with the Chevy/GMC, i would certainly buy one. I have never owned a Japanese vehicle, but I believe they are still "FAR" ahead of us in the quality department.
Take care
Oh, I did have a short block replacement, but I am not really sure the truck needed it, think the service mgr wanted to be accommodating.There was, what the service folks, called a helicopter noise. After the engine change I didn't hear it for a long time, but it finally came back again, i ignored it as not being a problem.
I looked at and drove (even towed with) both vehicles you are considering. I tow a boat/trailer combo around the 5,000lb mark also. The 3/4 XL with the 8.1 was amazingly powerful. However, the ride (unloaded) is definitely a truck ride. For me it came down to comfort and convenience. The Denali is the best of both worlds.
As far as over heating, I just towed the trailer with a fully loaded vehicle to Lake Shasta and back (approx. 5-6hr drive ea. way) in 90 degree weather at about 65-70mph and had no over heating problems at all. The transmission temp. only moved slightly while climbing mountain passes and I had enough power to pass when needed.
This is the best, not to mention, most comfortable tow vehicle I have owned or driven IMO.
Go to a dealer who has both and drive them side by side to determine which is best for your situation.
Good Luck.
I have a boating trip to Western PA (Lake Raystown) in the last week of July. Lots of very steep and long grades and will be better able to compare to the performance of my previous 2 - 3/4 ton suburbans. One of them had a 350 ci and the other had a 7.4L (454 ci) to compare against. Will report back after that tougher and longer tow trip, however there is no comparison between the comfort features in the DXL and my older Subs.
I agree that when spending all that dough you shouldn't have to deal with the silly mundane stuff. I have also discovered that a good dealer is worth it's weight in gold. I had my YXL in the shop for a bad brake booster(supplier quality issue, not a build problem), it took them 3 days to look at it and 1 and 3/4 to fix it. I had a loaner immediately, but they called me on Friday and said to come and get my truck, but I was at work. I work afternoon's (4 pm - 12:30 am) and was just told if I didn't get my truck and return the loaner, it would cost me $90 for the weekend, so I had to play the car shuffle with my wife to get it squared away, what a damn pain! In either event I will NEVER go to that dealer again! Have been recommended to another dealer and if anything else fails will try them.
The customer experience is 100% in the hands of the dealer, and that is where GM lacks. GM does have some influence as to how the dealerships run, but cannot watch over them all. That is the real reason for the drive to improve quality, GM sees that if the people are not happy with the dealer service they just try the next brand vehicle. By improving the quality they keep the customer out of the dreaded clutches of the service dept., and at the same time get some bragging rights for being more trouble free that the other guys. If the dealership is competent and can get the stuff done in a reasonable amount of time with minimal inconvenience to the customer everyone is happy, and return visits and sales will continue, not to mention word of mouth advertising for the dealer, who will then enjoy a sales increase.
Just to clarify, you spent $50 K, not $50 M right?!
I was in the printing business where the M means 1000. So, I meant $50,000.00
Thanks Jim
Purchased a covercraft part to protect the front of my YDXL while on the highway - Great accessory for you folks to PROTECT the paint!!! Highly recommend one of these. I will not use the hood part if anyone would be interested in it. I have a Lund Interceptor.
Hope the put a larger fuel tank in next year....
larrys7- How big is your fuel tank? I have a 38.5 gal in my YXL 2500, w/6.0L. I thought it would be on the DXL too.
Wow it got Larry happy all the sudden! LOL
I have linked this discussion into that folder, but it will always reside here in SUVs.
Looking forward to meeting everyone!
KarenS
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Quite a few have this problem and GM`s first three ? fixs ? did absolutely nothing. Now the famous tech assist group simply tell the dealer - we don`t have an answer for that. After three months the owners deserve a solution.
Several have taken their trucks into the dealer and "demoed" the trouble but the dealers don`t know what to do.
This is not rocket science - some pulse is triggering the washer motor and the pump. Any decent electronic technician should be able to find this problem with a scope. Over on the GMSUV board we - I believe - have eliminated the BCM sense lead which connects to the Rear Wiper Motor Module. The next step is to check the modules ground and power feed. One of these two ckts. is the problem in my lowly opinion.
I`m mad as hell since I was thinking about buying another Suburban or Tahoe but I am afraid that the quality of the recent designs DO NOT match that of my 1992 or my three previous Suburbans. What is worse I don`t think the factory support is very good at all, or they just don`t give a dam.
Want a challenge - send me a current Yukon Rear Wiper Control Module and internal wiring diagram and I`ll fix your trouble.
Don.
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The only kicker is that they don't have anything that would cover the area between the second row bucket seats (if you have second row bucket seats). In my case I have to find a scrap piece of carpet and modify it to fit in that area. Aside from that I am very happy with the mats.
on the "SIC" display the time of day instead of
day month year?
Lalane
http://www.amsoil.com/products/ts.html
And no I don't sell amsoil, but have one in mine.
I have had misaligned rear doors, my drivers door lock insert fell out and could not be simply put back in, the Bose radio doesn't remember what CD it was playing when u turn the radio off, it defaults to the radio, a really irritating problem. The vinyl on the drivers headreast was not properly finished, one of the covers on the rear console for the power plug in's broke, and i have bad squeeks when opening the doors. As I have mentioned before, I hope Toyota builds a Suburban one day soon and puts GM to shame, they deserve it.
At 4800 mile oil change asked about the lumbar/bolster controls which seemed to be inadvertently inflating. Turned out the controls were being pressed as I would swing out of the seat (I weigh about 240 at 6'3"). Dealer reversed the wiring to the switch so that the inflate and deflates were reversed. Worked perfect, with no further issues.
Finally, I pointed out that the rear hatch appeared to latch properly however the dash light (cargo door ajar) would occassionally come on around turns. Dealer made an adjustment to latch which corrected this minor issue. (I watched the adjustment which was very easy if anyone is interested.)
All in all, I am very satisfied with the construction and durability so far. Towed 6000lbs over the 4th Holidays and the DXL has significantly greater "guts" to it than my previous 2500 Sub with a 7.4L.
With the exception of greater leg room in the second row seats, the addition of a Nav system and a matching spare tire and wheel, there is nothing I would change on the 2001 DXL.
Take a look at this company I found this morning. This supposedly works with any on-star equipped car with Nokia 5100/6100 phones and works with the radio just like on-star does.
http://www.uhltronics.com/
I really hate to say this, but the American Automobile manufactures still have a Lot of Catching Up to do.
I am the proud ownwer of a 2001 Denali (Delivery Date- December 2000) and I have had the DVD/VCR put in and a pop down 5 inch LCD Screen LOVE it I Had the dealer install it before delivery i think it is best to go through GMC , I Was just Wanting to Know ,if anything is gonna be addes to the 2002 , like little improvements , have they released the 2002's yet ? I Would really Like to see GMC put in a NAVIGATION system into the Denali (with the Screen) but I know that will NEVER happen but if anyone knows what snew (If anything) for 2002 Please Post.
Happy Denali Owner ,
Paul
I'd like to see more leg room in the second row of seats. And, i'd also like to know why they made the vehicle smaller than the last model years.I would like the room back that they took away..
4 Wheel Steering - I just got a GMC magazine and it has the new 2002 model Sierra Denali in it, with 4 wheel steering. They are killing the C3 name and renaming the truck Sierra Denali. It has flared out bed sides to clear the wheels as they turn. I think it looks silly, they put marker lights on the fron ans rear edges of the flares. According to the mag, the flares stick out 2.5" on each side. They have it on the gmc web site, but no pict of the truck yet.
http://www.delphiauto.com/index.cfm?location=2818