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I was just wondering if anyone else has had these issues? I saw someone had a leaking sunroof, did it make a noise before it started leaking?
Thanks for your help! This is my first cadillac so any advice/expertise would be appreciated!
and the CTS-v at 500+ HP & TQ??
Or [ perhaps more relevant ] why shouldn’t there be?
Particularly with the demise of the ‘other’ V8 RWD GM Sport Sedan – the G8 GT that I now drive – there really seems to be an opportunity here for Caddy to further expand the CTS line. And generate more sales – in a segment that they appear to be aiming at: The Premium Sport Sedan market.
I firmly believe that a CTS with the upgraded wheel & tire package and suspension upgrades [ as available on the ‘regular’ CTS ] with either the corporate 6.0L or 6.2L V8 and 6L80 automatic trans. and a price between the top \ ‘fully loaded’ CTS and the CTS-v would sell. And not be immensely expensive or time-consuming to develop, engineer & start producing.
A fully loaded [ everything except AWD ] CTS is almost $53K.
[ See below ]
. . but, it seems to me that a well equipped, performance oriented
[ and minus sunroof & navigation system ]
CTS at just under $50K
plus a real “American” V8 –
but still priced well below the CTS-v,
would actually sell quite well.
The price gap between that ‘performance oriented’ CTS @ $49K-ish and the CTS-v at $61K is [ obviously ] about $12K.
And I expect that a [ relatively ] off-the-shelf drivetrain transplant \ upgrade to a 360 HP 6.0L V8 or 400 HP 6.2L V8 and big TQ could be accomplished with [ again, relatively ] minimal effort.
And an MSRP bump of no more than $5K or $6K.
And the result of implanting a normally aspirated V8 into the CTS ought to be a very quick
[ noticeably quicker than the CTS V6 DI that I test drove ]
& well-balanced RWD performance sedan.
With some level of sophistication - above my G8 GT.
It would likely require a lower GGT than the CTS-v,
would deliver better ‘real world’ gas mileage.
I believe that it could have an MSRP of $54K to $55K
- and an actual transaction price around $52K or $53K.
The 2010 BMW 550i [ V8, 360 HP ] MSRP w/dest. = just over $61K.
Would this constitute a ‘cut rate BMW’?
Regardless - This would seriously interest ME.
[ For one. ]
As an eventual replacement for my G8 GT . . .
Someone tell me the flaw[s] in this idea?
YMMV.
- Ray
Happy, for now, with the G8 GT - but . . .
= = =
2010 Cadillac CTS
Premium 4dr Sedan (3.6L 6cyl 6A)
+ Y43 Summer Tire Performance Pkg
& destination =
approx. $52,800.
though BMW
[ the apparent 'target' here ]
certainly seems to do just fine
with 2 different 6 cylinder 5 series sedans,
a V8
[ comparable to the GM LS2 \ LS3 ]
and an M5...
- Ray
NOT a Marketing Genius.....
True enough.
I don’t believe that any of the Detroit 3 can do anything for less than millions.
OTOH: The development costs for the CTS-v, MSRP only [ only? ] about $12K over the loaded \ performance oriented CTS, must have been many, many millions. For a much more limited market than I see for a n/a V8 CTS such as I am proposing. My point is that the R&D costs for this would be MUCH smaller than they were for the CTS-v. Production costs would clearly be much lower than the CTS-v, as well. So GM \ Caddy ought to be able to actually fatten margins here.
If GM needs anything [ nearly ] as much as increased sales, seems to me that is: Stopping the erosion of margins.
The coupe & wagon versions of the CTS likely also cost way more than this would cost.
I just think that those who really want a BMW M5 killer will still buy the CTS-v. I seriously doubt there would be much, if any, cannibalization of sales here from the CTS-v.
But those who want more HP & TQ than that DI V6 –
[ not a bad motor, but does not provide quick acceleration
& certainly does not provide
the effortless delivery of low end TQ that many prefer ]
but who really don’t need the CTS-v’s 12 second quarter mile times
and they would be pleased to give up a significantly smaller incremental loss in MPG, compared to the CTS-v
& they would be happy to pay a much smaller GGT -
in order to drive something like
my hypothetical n/a V8 “CTS GT”.
It would offer much better acceleration than any V6 CTS, and not nearly as much increase in cost as the step up to a CTS-v.
My sense is that the top line DI V6 CTS
[ again, I consider it a nice car & good effort by Caddy ]
just is not capable of delivering the acceleration typically expected by many [ including me ] of a $40K+ Luxury Sport Sedan.
The fuel economy difference is actually a significant portion of the ‘business case’ I’d make here.
CTS DI auto = 18 \ 27
CTS-v auto = 12 \ 18
My ** GUESS ** is that a CTS GT could likely be closer to G8 GT or Camaro SS \ V8 automatic levels:
Camaro SS automatic = 16 \ 25.
My G8 GT = 15 \ 24.
That would be rather noticeably better
[ 25% better for city and 33%+ better for hiway ]
than the CTS-v.
That’s a lot, seems to me.
This would also bring Caddy more nearly into line with the scope of GM \ Chevy’s Camaro – versions with V6, V8 and
[ it now appears likely, in a couple of years ]
a ‘Top Gun’ version = supercharged V8,
likely to be called the Z28.
In addition to BMW [ see above ] Mercedes offers 6 cylinder versions of their comparably sized sedans, a normally aspirated V8, and an [ AMG branded ] Super Sedan.
If Caddy’s strategy for their sedans is Sport \ Performance, as well as Luxury –
then I just think they ought to do something like this –
to complete the CTS line’s powertrain offerings.
And I do think a realistic business case could be made.
YMMV.
- Ray
No, certainly NOT holding my breath . . .
Another alternative would be making a turbo version of the 3.6 engine. You could probably hop that up to 400 HP and get better mileage than the Chevy V8. But the MPG difference might not offset the price increase that engine would cost over the Chevy smallblock.
Could either scenario happen? Sure. Will it happen? I dunno....odds are against it right now.
I am leaving on a extended trip from L.A. to Austin Texas this weekend, so I will not be able to do anything until I return, as even if I find out what to do, with a three hour estimated update time I will not risk a system failure while I am out of town on a trip.
If anyone has had experience with this, or knows anything about this, I would appreciate any information you can provide about the mysterious authorization code, or how to obtain it, or whom to contact about it.
Seeing no dealers stocking the FE3 option, there must not be much of a demand for more performance in the CTS. I see lots of Luxury versions in stock, just to keep the cost down. A 2010 CTS is now about $8,000 more than a simliar equiped 2007, so sticker shock (besides economy) is hurting CTS sales, along with the low lease residual of 42% (10k), compared to 56% in 2007.
It looks like the CTS Coupe will be more perf oriented and geared towards those who want more sport than the CTS Sedan. Hopefully they will have some more HP in the Coupe, with FE3 and at least the Recaro seats optional. I feel Cadillac should do their own version of a Recaro seat and cut the cost of that option.
My dealers electronic tech called and was told the code could only be provided to the owner. I called twice and both times was cut of while on hold while someone was researching the problem. No one called me back although both had asked me for my number before putting me on hold.
I am getting very frustrated with Cadillac. I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to deal with this subject. A phone number for someone high enough in management or sales to bring some pressure on this situation would also be appreciated.
- GM Navigation Disc Center 1-877-628-3472
- The GM Navigation Disc Center is also the center of expertise for navigation system questions.
you may need to hit the config button and turn the audio up on for the NAV system
There is a Navigation instruction manual available on line in PDF format for free at the Cadillac owners site, also the Owners manual is available there.
the ground I'm stuck. Lord forbid if you have to stop in the stuff and your on a incline, its like "I think I can, I think I can" as you sit and your tires spin and th back end wants to fish tale on you. The wheels get no traction AT ALL... ("TRACTION INGAGED") what does that mean?.. LOL I have all wheather
Bridgestone tires on it right now and by no means are they cheap tires. You took the words right out of my mouth..... I am ready to get rid of it.
The car is red metallic with beige leather. The car needs some cosmetic repair to the two rear wheel areas and the rear bumper where the former (now deceased) driver evidently scraped/hit underground parking lot poles. One of the chrome wheels is scraped. The interior needs a good detailing, but otherwise, the car seems to be complete. It drives really well. All services have been done and are up to date.
The car has the full panoramic sunroof, wood trim, BOSE, from what I could see. It's a nice car, and I would like to someday have a Cadillac. This might be the time, depending upon the cost to repair the cosmetic damage and detail the interior.
The estate guardian is getting an estimate for the repair that I would have to bear to assume the prepaid lease. Lease expires June 2011. Residual value on paperwork is $27K. I would consider negotiating purchase (not at that price) at the end of the lease, if I go through with the transaction.
I wonder if somehow the deceased's car insurance could cover the damage?
I would appreciate any assistance, advice, guidance to help me with this. Thanks in advance.
I would think that the deceased ins. should cover the damage but that is a very interesting point.
So, if cosmetic repair was $1500 and add lease transfer fee of $500, $2K to drive a loaded CTS 4WD for 15 months seems like the deal to me.
Willy
It is interesting how many people are not interested at all in this car. Mosting import drivers (BMWers, Mercedes folks). Not me, I'm GM all the way!
This will be my first Caddy and I'm psyched about it.
Most people have really enjoyed their CTSs. There were some issues the first couple of years with differentials, and one of the engines tends to use some oil. Given that most people never check their oil, once an engine is a quart low, the second one goes much faster and the third quicker yet. Before long, the engine's toast.
Check your oil regularly & I bet you'll enjoy the car for many many miles.
Good luck.
I appreciate the encouragement, and look forward to driving it.
Thanks for the kind words. I'm looking forward to lots of seat time.
Thankx all
To bad on my 08 CTS the drive shaft fell out. After 2 suits with GM and 34 actual documented breakdowns, i am out. Between myself and my Dad we had 15 Cadillacs over the last 30 years. I will always be a cadillac lover. But truthfully Gm went bankrupt way before this crash. 100 years and we still cant make it right here in America. I bought an Infiniti and when i sit it and drive it i say" now why couldnt we make a car like this in America"? and even more sad its the best move i ever made.
Caddy in 2008 [ like now ] has a B2B 4\50,000 wty.
"Basic: 4 yr. / 50,000 mi.
Drivetrain: 5 yr. / 100,000 mi."
And only 5,300 miles on a 2008?
Odd...
I refused to pay my 2 months payment and they put me in collections.......I then paid and fought with those [non-permissible content removed] for months....in the end they gave me one month payment back.
ALSO...when the car was ready 2 months later...it had been hit in the dealership so back to the dealers body shop it went.....Lucky I noticed the quarter panel the day I picked it up or they would have never believed me.
I had 2 caddys....I have one left. This one goes back in Feb and I'm getting a JEEP.
Screw Caddy....they really blew every opertunity to make things right.
I didnt cause the drive shaft to fall out.....
They said it was never tightened when installed.
I didnt cause the 2 month parts back up.....and hit my car....and tell me to pound salt when I asked for my two months car payment.
They can go jump in a lake..
Thanks
Helm, Incorporated
P.O. Box 07130
Detroit, MI 48207
Or call:
1-800-551-4123
The bar code on the back of the 2008 CTS Navigation System Manual is
25813124 B
Good luck.
http://pdfservicemanual.com/automotive/2010-cadillac-cts-cts-v-sport-sedan-and-s- port-wagon-navigation-manual
Has anyone had this fixed and if so what did they do? Thanks so much!!
2008 CTS DI owner
Al
How long have you had this concern? Do you currently have a case and if so, what is the case number? Thank you,
Mariah GM Customer Service