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Really? How did I miss that? For all years?
I will be the first to admit, that when I had my wreck (June 2005), I was probably better than a typical 17 year old would have been on the roads (because I'm particularly AGAINST doing anything that will raise my insurance rates), but I was still inexperienced by most standards (still am in a lot of eyes, having logged about 70,000 miles total since I got my learner's permit). Still, in a split-second, I want to stand on the brakes and steer away from the hazard - something ABS allows me to do.
Some people who never have had ABS are convinced that they do not need it, and I say more power to them - save the $400 or $500. I have pumped my brakes many times at one particular intersection in downtown Birmingham that manages to be as slick as ice in a decent rain. Still, I ended up squarely in the middle of that intersection as the light turned red, and also managed to be about one-half lane-width to the right as I slid...only traveling at the speed limit no less (35 MPH). I couldn't pump the brakes nearly as quickly and efficiently as ABS could, and ended up in the intersection as a result. Luckily, the light was just changing, and I just went on through the intersection (in effect running the red light) without a problem. With ABS, I think I would've stopped quicker, or at least, within my lane.
You are right about ABS is standard on just about everything. GM has had it across the board for a long time now. Maybe Nissan has it right since most folks looking for mid priced performance sedan probably will not want it just like they probably would not want stability control. They must have done some research or it would cause them to loose sales on the safety issue.
On the break in period front. The dealer told me there was no break in period either. However, in reading the manual it stated to keep the car under 4K RPM till it has 1200 miles on it. The manual called this the break in period so I would assume Nissan wants you to take it a little easy when you first get the new car. :surprise: Always better the read the friendly manual to be sure.
Maybe Nissan is loosing a few sales because of the lack of ABS.
Well, that isn't what you said, what you said was: The fact that I could get a power drivers seat, something you can not get in an Accord at any price. You said you couldn't get a power seat in the Accord, which isn't true. It isn't limited to EX only models as you said later either, just check out Honda's website before you assume everything.
And yes, the first thousand miles of any new engine should really be taken easier than the rest of the car's life...
Enjoy your new ride!
all break-in is for is to allow the piston rings to properly wear to the correct size and shape. but with modern manufacturing process the can be machined to almost the perfect size. they can use lasers and such to get them down to .001 inches in tolerance.
It is surprising that nissan hasn't made them standard, cause they're cheap as hell nowadays. $300 is all, less than a spoiler, or the floor mat/splash guard combo. and its not that nissan doesn't offer it. I'd be willing to bet they sell far more vehicles with abs than without. it just isn't standard.
Pretty safe. Many muffler shops offer the same deal. I doubt too many people ever have to buy more than one muffler for their car, if that. And since my 95 Accord has over 220k on the original muffler, I suppose Honda would even be pretty safe offering lifetime on the original.
I will enjoy my new altima.
Standard Features: 2007 Accord Sedan
Special Edition Manual Transmission
Technical Features • 166-hp, 2.4-liter, 16-Valve, DOHC, i-VTEC®, 4-Cylinder Engine
• 5-Speed Manual Transmission
• Drive-by-Wire™ Throttle System
• Double Wishbone Front Suspension
• Five-Link Double Wishbone Rear Suspension
• Variable Power-Assisted Rack-and-Pinion Steering
• Power-Assisted Ventilated Front Disc/Solid Rear Disc Brakes
• 100,000-miles-or-more Tune-Up Interval
Safety Features • Dual-Stage, Dual Threshold Front Airbags (SRS)
• Front Side Airbags with Passenger-Side Occupant Position Detection System (OPDS)
• Side Curtain Airbags
• Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS)
• Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD)
• Daytime Running Lights (DRL)
• 3-Point Seat Belts at all Seating Positions
• Front 3-Point Seat Belts with Automatic Tensioning System
• Outboard Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH)
Interior Features • Air Conditioning with Air Filtration System
• Cruise Control
• Illuminated Cruise/Audio Steering Wheel-Mounted Controls
• Power Windows with Auto-Up/Down Driver's Window
• Fold-Down Rear-Seat Center Armrest/Trunk Pass-Through with Lock
• Carbon-Fiber-Look Interior Accents
• Center Console with Sliding Armrest and Storage Compartments
• 120-Watt AM/FM/6-Disc In-Dash CD Changer Audio System with 6 speakers
• Tilt and Telescopic Steering Column
• Maintenance Minder™ System
Exterior Features • Remote Entry System with Power Window Control
• 16" Alloy Wheels
• LED Brakelights
• Body-Colored Power Side Mirrors
• Chrome Exhaust Finisher
• Multi-Reflector Halogen Headlights with Auto-off
• Body-Colored Impact-Absorbing Bumpers
However, it was easy for me to dismiss the Altima outright without even having driven it. The car we were looking for had to have 3 things - 4 cylinders, a stick shift, and a sunroof. Heated seats were a large plus. Altima didn't do it for us. It seemed as soon as you ordered any option, you had to get an automatic, which I refused to do on a 4 cylinder mid size car.
Loren
Loren
Actually, the 4 cyl EX-L is a quasi-separate model because of leather seats, not navi. (The "L" stands for leather.) It is true that you can only get navi in the EX-L model but the navi is an option. Dual climate control, heated seats, 8-way power driver's seat, XM radio, leather wrapped steering wheel, and exterior temp are the other items that come with the EX-L... unless I'm forgetting something.
That's where I got my "not EX only" statement... sorry for any confusion it may have caused.
no, it doesn't. all abs does is prevent the brakes from locking the wheeles. The abs won't even kick in unless the computer that controls them senses the wheeles are going to lock. at that point, it will reduce the pressure on the brakes, and you'll feel a pulsating sensation in the brake pedal. the rotor, callipers, pads and everything else at the wheel is the same in abs and non abs. the abs is under the hood and works with the master cylinder to control pressure applied to the brakes through valves (to reduce pressure in the brake lines) and a pump (to return pressure back to normal).
to sum it up, here's what happens. Your driving down the road, and for whatever reason, you slam on your brakes as hard as you can. with normal brakes, the wheels will lock up. With abs, sensors on the wheeles will detect that they are slowing very fast and may lock up. at that time, valves in the brakelines going to your brakes will open and let pressure off the brakes (allowing the wheels to speed up) for a split second. in another split second, the valve closes and a pump under the hood increases the pressure in the brakelines to where it was. that constant depresuration, and repressuration of the brakelines is what cause the pulsating fell in the pedal.
The thing with abs is that it's not always on. its always monitoring the wheels, but unless your about to lock it down, it doesn't do anything.
Don't get the wrong idea, I'm by no means badmouthing abs. in poor road conditions they're great, and they will allow more control of your vehicle when you do have to slam the brakes on. I just think they are a bit overated. reducing your speed on bad roads, and paying attention while drive will inrease you chances of avoiding an accident far more than abs will. abs is a passive system (like airbags) that will only activate in specific situations. and much as airbags arn't an excuse to stop wearing your seatbelt, abs insn't a substitution for proper driving.
Loren
Maybe Nissan is loosing a few sales because of the lack of ABS.
I know they lost one, among other reasons.
1) the foot brake for an emergency brake, placed where the clutch once was
2) Steering seems a bit light.
3) CVT just did not feel right to me and wonder about cost of repair / possible problems?
4) V6 jacks up price. Got the Accord SEV6 for a pretty good price.
Loren
no, I mentioned that,
Seems a bit of a stretch to me. Go to Carsdirect.com to build an Accord, and you'll see 6 "models" for each of the 4 cylinder & 6 cylinder lines.
4 cylinder "models" - VP, LX, SE, EX, EX-L, EX-L w/Navi
6 cylinder "models" - SE, LX, EX Auto, EX 6spd, EX Auto w/Navi, EX 6spd w/Navi.
If it was me, I'd have just 3 models. VP, LX, & EX. Then hang some "options" off each. But hey, no big deal, manufacturers can do what they want to do.
Interesting that they don't even separate out the EX-L. If you click on the trimline for EX, you will see the EX-L and EX-L with Navi. That was really what I remember from years ago anyway. Not sure when this EX-L stuff started. The DX (now VP), LX, and EX were once the three choices. They'd thrown in an SE on occasion. When I bought my 95, leather seats were just an option (on the EX only).
Honda doesn't really do many options but automatic transmission, leather and Navi are really just options. Leather is the weird one because now they add a few other things. Also, the V6 manual adds a couple of things you can't get on any other model.
But "Quasi-trimline" works for me.
Really? That is sure a switch from the past as well as the present. As I said earlier, leather was available as an option on my 95 EX. It was standard on the V6, just like it is today.
The '03 Accord was available with leather & 4cyl engine.
It was the EX-L & still is in 2007.
The V-6 Accord was designated EXVL.
.....AV6 6M seems almost perfect in that it's fast, fuel efficient and was available WAY below cost late summer '05.
Plan a Nissan coupe test drive after the crowd thins.........the Z's reward visibility made me nervous.........but at the very least, this Altima coupe has the VQ powerplant............
Should be an interesting summer with new Accord coupe also a contender.........ez
I would say the 2007 Accord is much better than the 2001 Accord as well. Comparing a current car to something designed 10 years ago isn't exactly apples and oranges, but I am glad you like your purchase.
I actually thought the Altima was very strong in the power department (even the 4 cyl) and handling was great, but I didn't see the value in the Altima. And I do not want a CVT.
Car and Driver got 5.9 seconds for 0-60 in both the Accord 6MT and Altima 6MT. Where did you get your test results for the Altima, if I may ask?
Tenths of a second can't be felt by 98% of the drivers out there, so it is probably a moot point anyway.
either way, its moot. who drives a car like a madman anyways?
wait...don't answer that question :P
i prefer nissan to honda, but that is a personal preference. i feel like nissan cars have more "soul" to them than hondas do. that doesn't make honda bad, just not for me.
but boy, are the honda faithful a vocal bunch!
-thene
That wasn't always the case. It was reversed in the late 80s early 90s. An 80s Sentra had like 60 hp and was shaped like a brick, while the Civic had sophisticated suspension and 108 hp. The Accords had pop up headlights and could be a sedan or hatchback, double wishbone suspension, etc, and Nissan had the Stanza ('nuff said).
I personally don't find soul in any car that lacks a clutch pedal, so I feel like Nissan is "slipping" in that area.
It was boomy sounding and tinny feeling though, so it went off of the list quickly. I wanted something that felt at least as solid as my 1996 Accord, and the Altima didn't satisfy.
As for soul, well, I tend to think it is sort of possible for a driver to "connect" with a car, so that one car may not excite one driver (the Audi A4 Cabriolet I drove once wasn't as exciting as my Accord 4-cylinder to ME), but the current Accord's balance is just PERFECT for my tastes, and that helps me really get "involved" with the car, if that makes sense . The Fusion drove sportier than my Accord, but I felt no "gut feeling" that I wanted the car, along with some other issues I had with it that I have laid out in the past.
In short, I think the old saying "home is where the heart is" works with cars too.
Wait til you encounter the Hyundai-ers around here!
Not just yea - but hell yea. I connected to an Audi S4 the other day. I had to wipe the drool of the seats of the car when I returned it. It was an easy car to love.
Nissan definitely plays on the driver involvement aspect of car sales than Honda. The whole Shift thing.
I did like the idea behind "If you haven't looked at Ford lately, look again." It was VERY true for the Fusion - worth a GOOD look.
if i am a driving enthusiast, who wants soul - i wouldn't buy an altima with a 4cyl engine. sure, my car has the same engine, but its smaller. if i bought the altima (which is a very nice looking car by the way!) i would definitely get that V6 with the 6sp.
i am upset though that the new GTR is going to have paddle shifters...
i still want one though!!!
nothing about honda excudes excitement to me though. honda sells a lot of cars because they appeal to the masses. most people buy a car because they need to get from point a to point b in a reliable safe fashion. honda does that better than anyone. i want to get from point A to point B with a smile on my face. i find that nissan does that better.
again, my two cents - your opinion may vary!
-thene
I think the '89 Maxima (4DSC the called it at the time)was the beginning of a rebirth for Nissan. The SR20 powered Sentra, G20, and NX came out right as Honda killed the CRX and replaced it with the Del Sol (whooooops). There was no Civic SI and Vtec was just getting started and only available on the Integra GS-R/Del Sol. VW had nothing but the 2.0 16v they had been pushing for years. It was a good time to be Nissan. Oh, that and the 90-96 300zx was one of the most beautiful, timeless designs ever.