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"Drivetrain: 170-hp, 2.5-liter four-cylinder, 179-hp, turbocharged 1.6-liter four-cylinder or 237-hp, turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder with six-speed manual (1.6-liter only) or six-speed automatic; front- or all-wheel drive (Fusion); 185-hp (combined), 2.0-liter four-cylinder with electric motor (Fusion Hybrid, Energi)"
above from cars.com kicking tires blog
Looks like they got rid of the shiny plastic chrome grill which always completely turned me off and still does on several of Fords vehicles.
The 1.6L with a 6MT could be not only a great value (as long as Ford doesn't do something stupid such as make a key feature like cruise or Bluetooth unavailable on the base model) but fun to drive with excellent FE.
Wonder how the all-new Altima will compare?
You think the Camry looks better than this? Where is that double facepalm when you need it........
The PIH will go 21 miles on electric only and should get the same 47/44 after that. The Volt will go 35 on electric only and only gets about 37 on the ICE.
The regular hybrid can go 62 mph on electric only. Wow.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
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Even if it's a limited edition SVT, it would still draw some extra traffic to showrooms. All they need to do is detune the SHO V6 (down to, say, 300 HP) on regular gas. Add AWD, an upscale interior, a subtle body kit with a lip spoiler...
I expect a ST model with 300-320 hp with either a 2.7L EB or a 3.5/3.7L NA.
There could also be a SVT model later with 350-400 hp. Since the CD4 platform will also be used for the new Taurus it makes sense that it was designed to handle the same powertrains as the Taurus SHO.
I guess we're wondering whether we might be able to "cheat" this time and get a nicely-appointed, reliable car (like a Toyota or Honda) but pay less for it than the "luxury" vehicles... and still not spend two hours waiting for that 30,000 mile check-up. Or take a "shuttle bus" to/from the dealership.
Is there such a thing as getting an automatic loaner vehicle at a non-luxury dealership? Or is this really one of the reasons why people spend $5,000 - $10,000 more for that luxury car?
Someone will probably say you could just rent a car from the dealer for the few times that service really took that long but I think you'd agree that it is a very different experience to just sign and jump in a loaner versus actually renting a car.
Another thing to consider is buying an end of model year premium car may be not much more money than a newer non-premium car. And if you tend to keep your cars for a long time which it appears you do, it may be well worth it to drive the nicer vehicle for all those years.
I would agree that this is probably something that could be negotiated with your deal.
Personally, I think the 13' Fusion is a likely candidate for my next car but, I'm a bit nervous about going back to a big impersonal dealership after my pleasant experience with the relatively small dealership I'm currently with. Well, that purchase is probably a year or two away so I guess I won't worry about it.
As for the transmission, it doesn't have a trans in the conventional sense but still has gears and a differential to get the ICE output to the wheels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Synergy_Drive#Transmission The Prius setup, as reliable as it may be in practice, actually sounds more complex than a regular AT or CVT.
While you're correct that the Prius uses a timing chain & not a belt, your reference to the catalytic converter shouldn't matter as the Prius does have one - every modern car with an ICE does.
Hoses are plainly visible in the pic; that's why I linked to it. Plus, as long as there's an ICE, hoses (or pipes) will be necessary as part of the ICE cooling system.
There were a lot of people on this board that thought the Sonata would fall apart after the new wore off. I hope to have this car for at least five more years.
BTW, I checked the KBB private party price on it the other day and it was only about $1000 less than I paid for it... shows the price escalation of Hyundais and cars in general in the past few years.
80k / 8 months = 10k per month
10k / 22 working days = 455 miles per day
Do you believe that? Even if a person takes a long trip once a month (say 1k miles), you still need to drive 9k / 22 = 409 miles / day. That's a whole day highway driving. :confuse:
It's certainly possible. Having 400,000 miles on a 5 year old car and averaging 80K/year for 5 straight years? That's nuts, possible - but nuts.
WI with all the Chicago area inbetween. During the middle of the day the expressways are going at 70-80 mph all over the Chicago area so your speed estimates might be an average...not a high. But 40mph average for 10-12 hours would easily rack up 400 miles per day.
These people are not waiting much as they go in, pick up a box and sign and they are on their way. I also know limo drivers that make 5 or 6 roundtrips from the far suburbs to O'hare airport everyday. Thats 80 miles roundtrip in a lot of cases. Do the math...that's could be 500 a day and if they work 6 days a week like many do that's 3000 a wk or 12000 a month. Alot more than the OP is doing. To me it's obvious he is not talking about a commute to work but is using his vehicle for work.
I’ve been taking courses in another state for the past year. I need to travel about 53 miles each way. Yes, I can put 70-75 mph at 2PM but I still need to spend about an hour to travel 53 miles why?...it takes me about 10 minutes to travel 2 miles from my house to the highway. I need to spend about the same amount of time from the highway to the university. I need to spend at least 90 minutes if I decide to leave at 3:30PM.
Yes, a person might be able put about 400 miles in 8 hours (50 miles avg though out the day around town) if they don’t need to find a parking space, get out from the car, deliver/pick up stuff or go to the restroom.
Don't know why you are so antagonistic but you really need to walk in others shoes before you say they are full of it.
If I was actually in the market for a sedan like this, it would get a look.
hard to ignore the 25/35 MPG ratings too!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
His company pays him $0.45/mile (they own the rigs) and of course cover all fuel, maintenance, etc. Most of the tractors have duel 150 gallon tanks for a 300 gallon total capacity and with diesel fuel at $4.00/gallon? Fill-ups run $800! He never drives with less than a 1/4 tank (which is 75 gallons remaining!).
Anyway, he averages 7 mpg depending on load and geography and drives 150,000 miles a year. 80,000 miles a year in a car is very possible for a traveling salesperson over a very large region like the western United States.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
This person claimed he put 80k miles in 8 months on his new Sonata. :shades:
I agree that truck drivers can put that many miles b/c they can haul a lot of stuff in there and they don't stop to deliver stuff every 5 or 10 miles.
However, for a small car? How much stuff can you put in there? He must be carrying something valuable that they reimburse him w/ top dollars. Anyways, I hope his salary is high enough to cover the driving, gas, depreciation, insurance, etc.
I used to have a neighbor who has a small truck (like UPS truck) to deliver stuff for Staples's. They pay him about $150/day (base on his truck size). If I remember correctly he puts about 120-140 miles/day (about 80 miles to travel to the warehouse). He left 5AM and didn't get back home till 6-7PM.
It could be a typo.
There could be a plausible explanation.
A very minor amount of research would have shown you that it's the latter. You can see his previous 5 posts. In November, he states that he had 52,000 miles on his 2011 Sonata. In the same post, he states "I now drive for a living."
If I were a new member, thinking about posting a question here, and I saw this exchange, I'd back out and never return.
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2. Nissan Altima 96,360 38.5
3. Ford Fusion 63,949 -1.7
4. Honda Accord 61,132 -7.6
5. Chevrolet Malibu 58,550 20.1
6. Hyundai Sonata 55,195 6.4
Here are the top six so far this year. Couple of shocks:
The Accord is a distant 4th, when it used to be #2 as recently as 2009.
The Altima is now getting close to Camry.
Sonata can't sell much more than they are now because their factory is maxed out.
Question: will all news entries from Honda, Ford, and Nissan alter anything here....
Similarly, I expect the new Fusion to leap up in sales, maybe also overtake Camry, once it's available in volume. It's a fantastic looking car, should drive much better than the Camry if Ford didn't ruin its ride/handling balance, and also should get excellent fuel economy.
We'll have to see on the new, smaller Accord, but sales should perk up there also if Honda did their homework. The new Altima and Fusion will be tough competitors, though.
Malibu is really pricey now with only the mild hybrid available, and C/D was very unkind on that car--ranked it below all the new mid-sized sedans including the Camry (2nd worst in the group). Maybe the new Malibu with regular gas engines and lower price will fare better.
Another interesting thing about these numbers is that two of the better mid-sized cars--Passat and Optima--didn't even make this list. Although sales of both are reportedly surging. And the Mazda6 is no slouch, but four years is a long time in this competitive market. Also it needs better fuel economy to be competitive.
The only change in the ranking IMO is that it's possible Sonata will overtake both the Malibu and the Accord by the end of 2012. And even though I don't think it will happen there is a chance that Altima could overtake Camry by years end if Toyota isn't very aggressive with it's marketing. The new Altima is very interesting with the high mpg and little bump in HP/Torque.