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I'm not understanding the problem I guess. Why the parking brake? Why not just ride the conventional brake as you back up? That's standard practice in most of the automatic vehicles I've driven.
I don't have a problem driving the car smoothly, even when it's in the high idle period. I'm not sure this is the reason for "bad" gas mileage, either. are you seeing less than the advertised, or are you implying that the advertised nubmers are worse than they could be due to this touchy throttle?
The big killer for gas mileage in this car is the large amount of drag.
One extra note....try before you buy! Determine what your needs are, test drive and research everything that is a possibility and then you will not be disappointed!
As for Toyota, like the Subaru example, there was a manufacturing problem involved. To date, we have no reason to suspect that there is a defect in the CR-V. If, at a later date, it becomes evident that there is a defect, she will have a case.
There are only 3 possible reasons for what happened.
1. There is a defect.
Doubt it. There are over 200,000 CR-Vs on the road in the US alone. Add to that 10's of thousands more in Canada, Australia, Asia, and the bulk of Europe. There are also Elements and Accords using the same engine design. The only investigation came back negative.
2. Something damaged Sabrina's car during her ownership.
Doubt it. It's a new vehicle and I would think that the dealer and Honda inspector would have found the damage. The odds of it being damaged are slim. The odds of it being undetectable are slim. Put together, the odds of this scenario are extremely slim. Also, damage would make this an insurance claim (not the dealer's problem), so why would they hide it?
3. The dealership messed up.
Could be. However, I would have thought that the Honda inspector would have found the problem (unless the dealer tampered with the evidence).
The only scenario that would make this Honda's problem is number 1. And that is probably the least likely possibility.
The second scenario is the responsibility of the owner and insurance company. This appears to be the path that has been taken.
The third would be the responsibility of the dealer. I think this is the one that most folks on this thread suspect to be the case. If we are right, it's the dealership's responsibility, NOT HONDA.
That is why I believe the issue is between Sabrina and the dealership. Going after Honda, without any proof, sounds like a "deepest-pockets" approach. That bothers me. She risks the possibility of being seen as money-grubber, rather than a victim.
My advice to Sabrina is "be careful what you wish for". Getting the Honda Motor Corporation involved by going public and making noise, will mean taking on a large corporation with an enormous legal budget and a strong reputation. To make matters worse, they appear to be just as innocent as she.
Both fires we know about occurred just after the same recall was done. Could be a coincidence, but Honda should at least review the procedure they outlined for that recall.
In fact I bet they are (secretly).
-juice
2 forward facing boosters with a person in the middle should be ok for trips 30-45 minutes or less.
-juice
I had my recall fixes and I checked the fix notices and also the work that was done on my car and I can't believe that could be the cause. There is some grease involved in one of the fixes its applied around the shift cable control pin and than its sealed. Even if some was left somewhere in the area it has a very high flash point and its highly unlikely that it would burn. And I do agree with varmit its between sabrina, her lawyers and the dealership.But, it would have been nice if Honda payed off for good will but I guess they are not hungry for business.
On another matter, I heard or read somewhere that the drivers armrest on the CRV can be replaced very easily with one from an Element. Anybody try this.
If you decide to go that route, send me an e-mail and I can direct you to a few installation articles.
I think the spilled oil scenario is more likely.
-juice
I am not a complainer. I want to enjoy my new EX. When I complain about problems and cons I cannot enjoy my new car. I agree that it has a better engine than the old one (the 1999 one I exchanged for). Now about the screeching noise from my new EX. Tried calling Conicelli Honda Service dept. many times. Left multiple telephone voice messages. Conicelli Honda Service Dept. did not have the courtesy to even reply any of my telephone messages. I am thoroughly frustrated with Conicelli Honda in Conshohocken, PA.
In utter frustration yesterday evening I took my new 2004 EX to the dealer and met with the Sales Manager. Gave him the key and told him to drive it himself. So we went for a drive withthe Sales Manager driving. He admitted there is a very audible screeching noise and that the noise is annoying to him also. The noise starts at about 45 MPH speed and gradually increases with speed and at about 60 MPH it is unbearable. His opinion was that the noise was coming from the new hood rack. I disagreed with him and said that the noise was there even before the hood rack was put in. But people can disagree on things. That is OK. He told me to make an appointment with the Service Dept. and bring the car in to attend to the noise.
Well, I have left three messages with the Service Dept. at Conicelli Honda from 7:30 AM, at about 10: AM I left a message with the Manager, Service Dept. It is now 11:10 AM. No one at Conicelli Honda has returned my calls to make the appointment. So I have to take a day off from work to make the appointment, another day to drop the car off etc. etc. The same routine I went with the Roof rack. I live in PA but work in New York. Conicelli Honda in Conshohocken, PA is Lousy, Lousy. Lousy. Lousy. When are they going to let me enjoy the new car.
By the way I contacted Honda. They opened a case file about this screeching noise. That was lst Thursday. I was told that a Technical person would get back to me in three days. Today is Wednesday - seven days later I am still waiting for Honda tech. person to call. What is wrong with Honda??????????????????????????
To: Stevedebi: sorry for the typo, but it is a '03 LX AWD, thus the sunroof. I doubt the dlr installed "cladding" has much if any, effect on hwy mpg; it is a box going down the road, however.
I am not suggesting it is a pos, but it is Very spartan inside, quality,imo, is so-so, underpowered, yet marginal hwy mpg, wimpy tire size, and weak brakes,etc. Int room and seating/driving position is laughable.
I guess I expected a lil' more, and missed discerning that on the investigation and quick test drive. Ah, it's in a stable of 3 cars & 4 M'cycles, so if theWife likes it, we keep it for awhile, but it has real limitations, design-wise, and build qual.,imo.
BR, md
In this situation I unscrew the oil plug first (when oil is hot) and leave the oil dripping for a night in a pan. Next day I crawl underneath wearing protective glasses, unscrew the filter, using a tool, and protect filter with a small piece of paper rug. Usually you have several drops of oil which easily absorbed by the rug. You DO NOT have ANY spills using this method.
Generally the longer you wait the better - more of the bad stuff would drip off.
The 20 min oil change, like some gas stations advertise, is a joke!
If the filter is facing down, try poking a hole in the bottom of it and letting it drain before you remove it.
-juice
Interior room is far from laughable...interior volume and rear seat room are enormous compared to its external dimensions. sure, it's smaller than big SUV's, but it's way bigger than the other mini-utes and every station wagon I've been in.
"Whimpy tire size" is an interesting complaint. Tirerack has some good tires in the OEM size that are highly recommended, and cheap.
It has decent power, also, and cruises at 80+ with passing power in reserve, even in decent hills. Yes, it will downshift, but I don't have a problem with that. I haven't had a problem with the brakes either, though the pedal feel leaves a little to be desired.
Seating position is a personal thing, and I've heard others with your same complaint. It works ok for me.
And, I think the "quality" is pretty good, compared to it's competition. Which of its competitors do you feel has significantly better "quality?"
File a NHTSA complaint report. It's easy online http://www.nhtsa.com. The more that show up maybe they'll listen
Hood rack? That's almost funny that he blamed that.
It's likely something mechanical, given the noise is speed dependent. I'd bet the bearings are bad.
-juice
And if the dealer were to find out that it was the hood rack(or any other non-defect problem)...would you compensate him for his time that he took to discover that?
I'm not trying to start an argument just asking the question.
-juice
Pay who? Pay honda .37 for a copy of the report provided by the dealer? The dealer did get the car back and examined it right---thought I read that. If they won't say what went wrong...and in effect their boss is HONDA, whats wrong with expecting Honda to use some mussle and get it for her. I'd think HONDA corp would LOVE a report showing the dealer screwed up and there is no defect on their end. Why cover anything up....
Otherwise, if it were me, I'd like to take the car back and get an idependent opionion of what happened and then possible sue.
(And to say trying to Honda is a waste of time...while there may be some truth in this, better to get them some bad publicity....I again just saw the local news network help someone out with a used car problem.)
I have discovered some identical,"all season" sizes on TRack, but not sure one should have to rplc all 4 oems to get a decent tire. And, the size Is funny,imo. 205/70-15s are not exactly "overtired" for the vehicle and esp in terms of footprint and braking force.
Yeah, the int Volume is decent, but the front driving seat and pass seat are like coach class on a non-stop to Tokyo, in terms of leg room.
A couple three more inches of leg room was certainly available on the seat tracks.
"Power" is ok on the flats; here in the Mtns of far western NC, climbing is a mash the gas and keep it nailed deal. And, a softer approach means the tranny will hunt and eng will rev 'til it settles into a speed.
Quality is ok, as I listed in my inital post,imo:
-A/C delivery tube condenses and soaks glove box
-a myriad of rattles and squeaks
-there is some "leakage" of incoming air through the vents w/All systems off. (Can't wait for the cold air this winter).
-Going from Dr to Rev, and vice versa, there is a strange, loud clunk in front end and sometimes combined with a clank in rear.
Dlrs (2), have not been able to fix any of the probs, though they admitted they existed.
The best mpg I've seen is 24 on a 650 mile run up I-75,(very flat). It gen. gets 21.5-22.5 on most of the road trips we've done. I thought it might do better. I realize it is a high,wide,boxy suv-type, but our X5 gets 24 on the hwy,(5 spd manual w/No OD), and the VetteVert puts up 30-32 on hwy at considerable speeds,lol! I didn't get the CRV thinking is was a 30mpg car; I just can't get what I thought it should, even w/the tires pumped to 30+, not the tread chewing, softer riding 26 they rec'd.
Hey, gang, I didn't come on and intially post to beat on the CRV; I gave it my initial 2Cts and strictly Fwiw...I love cars & M'cycles and banter w/the gang on the BMW and Vette boards. I jes' thought my opin and a non-raving review would be interesting to the board. It,the CRV, is ok; it could be a better. It doesn't do anything badly, it just doesn't do much well, either.
Best Regards, md
I also drive an STi, so I have a high standard for power, admittedly, but I didn't have any problems maintaining a high rate of speed on a recent trip to upstate NY with some decent hills without flooring the pedal once. Does it pin my head back in the seat? no. But, it's definitely acceptable, from my experience. Putting 5 adults in the car does tax it on hills, but even my STi is slower with 4 adults in it.
As for the tires, you won't see me defending them. But, tires are relatively cheap, especially the yoko T4's I put on mine, and they improve the handling and noise of the car a lot.
also, the leakage through the vents you refer to is a honda thing, some people like it and some don't. I belive it was intended to help keep the windows from fogging. There is also some air coming out of all vents regardless of which ones you select with the system on. I don't care one way or the other, but my Nissan and Subaru also let some air in with the systems off.
there is a well known clunk in the braking system reversing out of a parking spot, but I'm not sure that's a quality issue. The BMW M3 and Subaru STi make many more clunks new
ps...tire pressure definitely will improve your MPG as well. I think 33 is about the best compromise between handling, mileage, and comfort.
I can understand your dissapointment in the areas you mentioned if you're comparing the CRV to your X5. Don't forget to compare the prices as well
Not trying to bash your comments, just trying to provide some counterpoint.
The left and right vents have independent shut off switches.
Honda Customer Service Dept
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Covert mess up. Don't care. Hide.
Does this work (at least in my case) or is it my imagination?
As for that 30 mpg, ya'll must be coasting w/a sail attached, lol! That 55 or under stuff must be the trick,(where does one take trips or do "hwy driving" at 55 or less?!!) I do run 30-32 psi, but we tend to cover ground a lil'faster on the runs back to NY. (The Vette is our fave as it is very fast, very comfortable and knocks off 30+ mpg at any speed in 6th.)
I may cop a set of Blizzak WS50s or the like, for this winter. We live on a Mtn at 5k' and it's a 4 mile curvy, very, very steep climb. The X5 does well but only with a set of 17" oem wheels in place of the oem 18s and a set of Michey Alpin dedicated winter tires. I doubt the CRV is any more capable with out some dedicated snow tires.
NEway, back to lurking and thanks for ya'lls repsonse and patience. Last comment: this is a tougher board to negotiate than some othe car boards and stock sites I frequent; took a while to figure it out, but not the most user friednly board. Good reading, however. Cheers & Best Regards, md
Honda customer service = Do over much resistance
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tidester, host
As for mileage, I get 24-25mpg in mixed driving. Of course, mine is a '99 5-speed.
Some people do put dead fish under the car seats of their enemies - or so I learned from watching Grumpy Old Men. Don't try this in real life :-)
Steve, Host
Took it to Service yesterday, Tuesday. Service manager inspected the car and stated the hood rack has been installed correctly and disagreed with the sales manager. Anyway I left it there for them to attend to it. Will keep you guys and gals informed of the outcome.
By the way they gave me a free courtesy car - a 2003 Toyota RAV4 with 4500 miles on it. Much more comfortable and smoother ride than the CRV, no screeching noises, no rattles, better shock absorbing, better cornering and much much more comfortable than the CRV. Interior is not as spacious as the CRV but what a difference in driving comfort.
This is not as good:
I CR-V EX => Cervix
-juice
Read, nag, have cry. On to war!
-juice
I don't know if I should link to this article:-)
I love speeding in my Honda CRV (Financial Express)
Steve, Host
I don't know about a person who idolizes the Mercedes M class. They appear to have significant quality problems.
regards,
kyfdx
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CR just tested tires. They do make the top rated Falken ZE 512s in that size. I got some of those for my Miata, and *boy* does it track straight. They are directional and offer serious grip if your emphasis is on handling. I actually get a little tramlining, i.e. the tires try to follow the lines in the road, that's how grippy they are.
I have not tried them yet in the snow, and probably won't. A Miata is like playing bumper cars with SUVs in the winter.
In rain they are good, very deep channels and good hydroplane resistance. Plus they are very affordable, for the Miata they were just $38 per! Try vulcantire.com. Tire Rack does not carry them and Discount Tire Direct's prices were higher.
My Forester has Nitto NT460 tires. They are quiet, long lasting touring tires. Better than the Dueler H/Ts I had in every way, except snow grip. My AWD system works well and compensates for it mostly, plus I can do 4 wheel drifts - weeeee!
I only recommend the Nittos if you don't get much snow, or if you have dedicated snow tires.
-juice
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kyfdx
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OK, I drive harder than the average Joe, but still, the 60 series tires have firmer sidewalls, better steering feel, and quicker response.
Since the tires are quiet, I can't even say the ride suffered. It's actually better controlled so I prefer it.
Go for the Plus One. Another benefit is you'll find much better tires in that size vs. the stock size. Most are H-rated instead of S, some even go up to V-rated. Even load capacities are higher.
-juice
I put Bridgestone Turanza LS-H on my Legend. Those are great tires, but kind of pricy in 215/60-16. I'm considering those, if I go to plus one. I'm just wondering if thats overkill on a CRV. I'm thinking if I just go with a budget tire (though not Duelers again), the change in size alone might be all I need. Also, I'm worried that going to an H-series tire in a wider aspect might screw up my snow traction enough to where I'll have to get snows, whether I want to or not. Decisions, decisions..
Thanks for the input,
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Because I also drive up north to ski country several times each winter, I may get the chains. Those can go on and come off as needed.
-juice
http://www.autosportcatalog.com/index.cfm?fa=p&pid=1046&s- c=1292
There are a few designs that allow you to fasten the chains without removing the tire or rolling the vehicle forward and onto them. I've forgotten the brands.
-juice
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