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Yes, there's no guarantee you'll win the hand when you have 20 in blackjack, but I'd take a hand of 20 over a hand of 17 any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
A tick higher in reliability??? are you kidding? :confuse:
If your talking about Toyota over Honda over the years, then perhaps, but if your talking about those two vs. say Dodge or Saab, or even VW, then you had better get ready for more than a few ticks of difference, more like, perhaps, a decent high school football team facing last years Superbowl NFL winners.
After seeing what Mazda has been releasing over the last 6 years, it's amazing how much they have changed and improved. From a stable of really forgetable cars except the rx-7 to where they are now, Mazda has become a company with soul and a focus to offer fun to drive cars that are stylish and affordable.
When you find a mid-sized sedan/family car like that, one that has virtually no repairs for 20 years or 300,000 miles, please let us all know so we can rush out and get one!
If you want an example of real Body by Fisher GM style, you must go back to 68
just trying to be helpful, Loren
Both the Sport Wagon variant and MazdaSpeed6 are dropped for the 2008MY (US market). No word yet (obviously) what the lineup will be when the new version hits in 2008 as a 09MY.
The reason for two trims being dropped having much to do with demand/supply than anything. I know Mazda originally planned to sell 140K of the 6 annually, well, they are well short of such goal (I think they are averaging about 70K, which is even less than the 626, IIRC). This should help, however.
With enough money, sure. There are 2 on Craigslist right now in my area with blown oil seals (a $1200 repair at the dealer including the timing belt service - btdt). I 'm not complaining, the car is 15 years old, but a Neon will make it to 200k if you replace the head gasket when it goes.
I just hope that by the time a manual transmission model hits my local dealer, they will have forgotten about the Mazdaspeed Mazda6 and MX-5 which I drove but didn't buy, and they will let me drive one of the new 6's...
A Neon would have to have head gaskets replaced 4 times already to reach 200K. It would also be on its 4th transmission, and I'd assume the engine wouldn't last that long either.
I know for a fact the body won't last that long, the suspension, the frame, and the entire car basically start to disintegrate at around 5 years or 60,000 miles.
And for the record, there are at least 3 Neon's in the parking lot where I work with 200,000 miles plus and they all have original headgasket and engine and only one of them is on the second transmission.
The 2003 with the oddly canted side profile for the rear was the worst. The refresh where they copied the LaCrosse/Impala taillights helped improve the looks.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Of course, I do believe he got a 2006 Honda Accord EX, so he probably traded it in back then.... but let me get back to you on that....
Clutches are a wear item, like brakes. By virtually no repairs I think I mean no repairs costing $1,000 or more.
That pretty much excluded everything except a blown engine or bad tranny. I don't even think a shot suspension will cost over one grand.
On a second thought, maybe it will...
Absolutely no mechanical repairs in the 14 years he's owned it. His front windows stopped working earlier this summer however. But he seems to live with it and is determined to get 200k before he gets another car.
I've driven it a few times and the motor is still strong. Interior is shot though and the rear panels are rusting.
I'm hoping he'll get to 200k w/o having to replace the timing belt.
Although a 1986 Accord going 115 mph is pretty darn good. But it's one car. I see Buick Centurys of that vintage driving around all over town. It's been years since I've seen a Gen 3 Accord.
So he has only 6 years and 122k miles to go to make it to that magic 300k and 20 years with virtually no repairs. Good luck to him!
There are so many other cars in this segment that the constant
arguingdebate about the Accord seems so silly. There are several other tired old beaten-up horses that would also very much appreciate a break.Challenge: try some new cars for a change. Just for a day or so. We can leave out the three or four regulars for a bit and see what else would be good to
debatecompare.Who here owns a Galant, Legacy, or Optima?
You've been awful quiet; tell us about it!
I agree with you on that. And for the other I don't know the development timeline for taillights on Impala vs. Accord. There may be someone who knows that no previews of Impala or Accord were proposed early enough that one copied the other. The LaCrosse is an effete application of the shape; the Impala and Accord are crisp and masculine. I just think it's humorous they look so similar. Good taste.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
It looks to me like maybe the last "window" section is actually a black plastic filler piece. Something that they use on the current 5-door, but not the sedan (which has only glass for the side windows).
For those of you who "REGULARLY" drive your (7th gen V6 only) Accord in temperatures above 110 degrees F, or below -20 degrees F, you should change your timing belt at 60,000 miles. For the rest of us, we can change ours at 105,000 miles.
Do you live where these conditions exist? If you do, I feel for you.
It's been a good car for him, really bullet-proof. We bought it used in June 2001, and it's never let him down, nor been in the shop, except for preventive or proactive corrective maintenance. The 2.4L balance-shaft I4 doesn't burn any oil, but it leaks a bit from the distributor seal off of the cam cover. And, the 4-speed automatic still is original and shifts fine.
Oh, and on the previous post, we see -20F occasionally here, but only 100F rarely, more like 95F. Still tough conditions for most vehicles.
If you want to see a blind spot in the rear 3/4, sit in the current Accord Coupe!
OK, I guess we could do that Accordingly. Oh doh!
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Does Honda still do this with the Accord? Any others in this midsize group that have a timing belt and an interference engine?
Regards:
OldCEM
Actually, I don't have to change the timing belt on one of my vehicles at 60k because it has a timing chain, which many vehicles in this class have. They wear out eventually, but go far beyond 60k miles even in the Great White North.
When are other details to be released? Frankfurt?
Why compare a sedan with a coupe? A swoopy coupe will have more blind spots than a sedan or a hatchback.
As for those late 80's Buicks and Oldsmobiles you mentioned, maybe they just look that old?
the preceding was a test of the national 1487 alert system.....this was only a test!
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Compare apples to apples, not oranges.
Look, someone mentioned that the c-pillar in the mazda pic looked like it may not be glass so it would make a huge blind spot. I showed a pic that showed the 3rd window was glass, and mentioned that there was a car that is included in the list of cars at the top of this thread that has a huge blind spot which is one of the reasons I did not buy it. The fact that this car happens to have a name Honda Accord makes it a topic that's fair game. And why are you so sensitive to my talking about a car that you think should not be in this discussion yet cars like the civic and 20 year old cars are brought up without your saying a thing? Of all the things to become sensitive about you get upset about me talking about the Accord coupe's huge blind spot...
A belt is lighter, so it takes less hp to turn. The benefits of the belt obviously outweigh the cost of changing the belt every 105k miles.
Yeah, right.
The ONLY advantage a belt has is initial cost. Yes, a chain may weigh a pound or two more, but if you compare two EXACT engines, one with a belt, one with a chain, the HP difference would be negligible at best. Plus, the chances that a chain will leave you stranded compared to a belt are slim to nil.
A belt is just another way for automakers/part makers/mechanics to make $$$.