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With this.
http://us.tnpv.net/pv/2005/09/19/HON2005091948171_pv.jpg
Your copy of the image is cropped and doesn't show much of the background, but if you saw the whole image it would be obvious to you.
I doubt if the grille on the CR-V looks this bad! The rear is a litle better, though.
Good luck.
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3131/crv8ld.jpg
Here's the pic they used to create it.
http://us.tnpv.net/pv/2005/09/19/HON2005091948171_pv.jpg
Note the background, headlights, rims, etc. This poor man's photochop has been circulating the web for at least a year.
Just goes to prove, you CAN'T believe everything you read on the internet. Unless its from me, of course! :-)
Worst case scenario you have burnts valves due to lack of maintenance. They should be adjusted every 30,000 miles, but Honda screwed up and printed 90,000 miles in the owner's manual, which gives you a chance to get them to pay for it. Don't realy on the dealer to do your legwork. YOU will have to call Honda corporate and open a case. They can pay anywhere from 50% to full 100% of the cost depending on your negotiation skills.
Thanks for a response in advance (I know it isn't a CR-V issue, but it is a Honda issue!)
My insurance company fixes chips free and many waive the deductible for busted windshields.
Steve, Host
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Thanks for a response in advance (I know it isn't a CR-V issue, but it is a Honda issue!)
It depends on the engine. Gen 1. CR-V uses a B-series engine from Civic Si/Acura Integra, which all require valve adjustments every 30,000 miles.
I don't know what year Accord you have or what engine it has, but check with the Owner's Manual on that subject.
But now we've seen two chops/sketches that seem to imply the D-pillar will be shaped that way. Let's see if they are right, i.e. they may have heard reports and then tried to replicate what they saw or heard about.
I hope they are not at all accurate, put it that way.
-juice
Why? I don't think I've ever heard you say that would consider a Honda? Isn't it Subaru all the way for you?
Run and duck, run and duck!!
"China's State Intellectual Property Office (SIPO) has canceled the Japanese automaker's patent for the SUV."
China Stymies Honda in Battle To Control Rights to CR-V Design (Inside Line)
The Zhongbo:
Steve, Host
It's just a step back from the current design.
-juice
Steve, Host
They basically take Honda panels and use them to make molds, then produce rather blatant copies of extremely low quality. You could fit your thumb in some of those gaps.
The Chinese auto industry suffers from this cheap image and will struggle to overcome it for years to come. Honda will fail at this lawsuit, but the case underscores the problems Chery and Geely will face as they try to become global players.
-juice
The Tribeca is the only truly ugly design in the herd.
-juice
But Honda still has to sell the current CRV and I'm sure they'd rather not push off sales.
* visibility (D-pillar and spare block view)
* rear door still opens JDM style
* packaging forces you to high-end models to get what you want
* downgraded AWD system
There is still plenty of room for innovation/improvement in this segment. I don't think it's nearly as mature as, for instance, the minivan segment.
In this road test the AWD and traction control systems conspired against each other and kept the RAV4 from climbing a hill that Toyota had hand-picked to demo the AWD system to the press:
http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/article.aspx?id=11038&vf=1
-juice
Here's a little history for the folks new to this speculation game... When the Escape hit the scene, every one was saying that Honda needed to add a V6... Honda needed to add a "proper" rear hatch... Honda needed a full console in the center... Honda needed to eliminate the rear-mount spare...
In 2002, Honda changed none of that.
In 2002, Honda sold more CR-Vs than Ford did the Escape.
It wasn't until Ford added $1,500-2,000 in rebates that Ford retook the sales crown. Since 2002, Subaru has added a turbo Forester which does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. Saturn has introduced a VUE with Honda's own 3.5L V6 tuned for 250 hp. Yet, the CR-V's sales have been steady. In fact, they've grown a bit since introduction.
A few things to consider...
Horsepower has never been part of the CR-V's success. It has always been on the lower end of the scale.
Owners actually like features like the pass-through, full-size spare, and swing gate. Even if the media doesn't like them, the majority of owners don't mind them or even appreciate them.
Toyota releasing a good product has never stopped Honda in the past. The Camry, Sienna, Highlander, and other have hit the market with impressive features many times. Yet, Honda seems to come back with something that thrills the buyers and the critics.
I like the new RAV4, too. Today, it's my favorite in the segment. But I don't see anything here that I haven't seen before.
Fuel costs will make this the hottest segment for the next couple of years, I bet.
-juice
Why are you unwilling to wait? Even if you decide that the Rav is the better vehicle for you, you'll probably pay less for it if you put off buying it until after the '07 CR-V is introduced. It's pretty much a law of the universe that the folks who simply must have the newest model now pay more than those who can wait until it cools off. There's a good reason why car salesmen love guys who "will not wait".
While not 100% crazy about the side-swinging door/spare arrangement, the Rav-4 has this too, so it's a wash. And I've always liked the CR-V's relative lightness and adequate power combined with decent fuel economy. Styling...I've never really warmed to the latest generation, although the re-fresh looks a bit better.(not sure about those next-gen illustrations, though). I'd like to see a Nissan X-Trail type AWD system where you can run exclusively in FWD, Auto-AWD (which reponds to throttle input as well as wheel slippage) or AWD-lock. If Honda can split the difference between the Rav's somewhat excessive V6 and the just adequate 4 cyl, while maintaining or bettering fuel economy, that would be a good thing. And a well-designed third-row seat for occasional use is almost a must for us. I'm just really curious (and somewhat impatient, I guess!) to see how Honda will respond to the Rav4, Santa Fe and the new Outlander.
Let's see if Honda can combine the best features of these two models.
-juice
For example, look at Apple Computer. People were buying their notebooks and then one day they had Intel chips. They had previously announced they were making the switch but no one knew when until the day the new computers debuted.
Very similar to a new car introduction. The company announces the new vehicle. They even tell you when it will arrive (give or take). Why should they tell you the what?
Think about if you had a business. You're trying to sell a current product, your trying to keep the competition guessing, why in the heck would you release information so soon?
You want to have a "buzz" going on about a new product, but not too soon because then people put off purchases. If they showed the new CR-V now, people that liked it might wait and not buy an '06 CR-V they are shopping for.
Basically you want to time it so the buzz peaks right at the vehicle launch. So you leak photos out no more than a couple of months before the product comes out.
-juice
Steve, Host
People ask about new features on the Element up until around November or so, then it comes out in December. So the changes are kept under wraps right until the time the new one comes out.
-juice
Honda is great at keeping things under wrap - until they want you to see them. I remember early last summer when a restyled Accord (the 2006) was "spotted" parked in a Minneapolis parking garage. There were only a couple of grainy cell phone pics taken of it and those wound up on the interweb.
Subaru was funny, they were testing a new Legacy and actually put old Legacy body panels on it. You could see massive gaps in the panels because the new one was wider, but it still fooled a lot of people.
Some even thought, "gee, it didn't change very much".
-juice
I have a challenge for you and the others that seem to think it is their right to get info on a yet to be released product. Why don't you tell me the products (or services or whatever) your company is working on for next year or the year after that? Seems like a ridiculous request doesn't it??
Oh I know many vehicles are caught during hot and cold weather testing but I can't recall an instance where a Honda was.
IMHO, Honda lets "spy shots" happen when they are ready.
I don't recall where I read it but some journalists were at a GM facility looking at some new model about 6 months ago. Suddenly an undisguised new Escalade drove into the facility, stopped for about 30 seconds in front of the writers and drove off. Nobody from GM said a word or lost their cool.
I think there are a lot more people looking out for, say, a new Mustang or Corvette, even to a point where they are bribing insiders to get a sneak peek.
Honda develops few (if any) cars in the USA, plus people don't get as excited about an Accord (or a Fusion for that matter).
-juice
The one step swinging door is by far the easiest to use. It's true that becomes a problem when loading at a curb. There are drawbacks. But the ease of operation is definitely a plus. And for people in rural areas or suburbia where curbs are not an issue... it's perfect.
Brand new models (like the recent Ridgeline and RDX) have no existing sales to protect. So Honda will release more teasers and release them earlier.
The idea is to have the buzz peak when the vehicle goes on sale. Look at how badly people reacted when they found out how long they had to wait for the Solstice. The buzz peaked well before that vehicle made it to the sales floor. Lucky for GM, it's a decent little car and can recover. Had it been an average product, like maybe the G6, it would have been in big trouble.
As a car manufacturer with a limited line-up, Honda needs to be careful about how they manage the buzz they create. GM always has a new product on the way. So do Toyota and Ford. Their names are always in the news (for good or bad). Honda doesn't have that. So they make the most of what they get.
Juice - Honda has been developing quite a few cars in the US. Recent examples include the Civic Coupe (Si included) Acura TL, MDX, Pilot, Ridgeline, and Element. I think the Ody is on the list, too. They have three design studios in California (broke ground on another yesterday) and a fourth in Ohio.