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One more situation where AWD is a big plus - pulling a trailer on a wet and slippery boat ramp. FWD gets very little traction and inevitably spins its wheels.
It was rather interesting to see a buddy of mine pull two jet skis on an aluminum trailer out of the water with a Prelude. Noisy and nasty.
So, CR-V intenders, get RT4WD if you own a jet ski. :-)
-juice
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does the RT4WD engage when the car is in reverse?
I've done OK around town with FWD but I've found that real snow tires, at least on the front, are a must. All-seasons don't get it. Even so, going up to the local ski areas during a storm is out - the cops won't even let you try without AWD or chains. Hence my interest in something with at least part time AWD.
I totally agree that drving on snow packed or icy roads should be treated as a purely defensive activity. There are plenty of morons around here who think AWD and ABS mean you can stop and corner normally, too. They bash into things (and people!) all winter long around here.
I don't think, for me, the difference between part- and full-time AWD would be very meaningful, since I'm taking it easy anyway when there's snow and/or ice around, so I'll probably go with the Honda since I have a lot of faith in their products generally.
I wonder how many of you living in snowy winter climates change over to winter tires on your AWD vehicles? Some around here do, I think most stay with all seasons.
Dill6 - We get our share of snow here in MA, but not enough to warrant snow tires. We get dumped on fairly regularly, but it doesn't stick for very long. Snow tires wear out too quickly in conditions like that. I've contemplated getting a set of steel rims to mount Blizzaks on. That would make changing them back and forth much easier, but it also increases the expense.
As for steel rims, they cost about $40 each for the Ody. Considering a mount and balance will run about $12-15/tire and doing it twice a year, that'll pay itself back in less than 2 years and will keep my pretty alloys out of the muck. My luck with Honda alloys is that they don't like salt and sand very much.
Good Luck
FWIW, the little sloppy snow falls are the worst traction wise.
FWD is not good for any towing.
Dill6 - Good point about wear and tear from frequent swapping. I put a respectable 25-30K on the tires each year, so my rubber budget is as high as I'm willing to let it go. Since I've never had a problem with the CR-V, I don't consider the upgrade essential. Mind you, if someone where to offer me a free set...
No word on whether or not the spare tire survived.
If you have two sets of rims, it's just a bolt-on change. 15 minutes. More if you're obsessive compulsive like me and you manually torque each one to 70 ft-lbs.
Also, I always carry a small bag of sand with me in winter. Though I'm more likely to use it to help someone else. :-)
-juice
Am considering installing roof rack myself, but was wondering about a couple of things. The mounting points for the roof rack are inside 2 channels which run the length of the crv. Are these channels intended for water drainage? If not, would the rack and rubber trim pieces keep water out of the channels? If so, would the roof rack mounts block the water flow? Also, does anyone know whether the factory mounting studs are built in through the roof from the inside up through to the outside or are they tack welded on the exterior of the roof instead of through it? Would appreciate any knowledge you might have on the subject. Thanks. crv is 2001.
Price for a Fullmark 4wd starts at 2.198 mil yen, that's about US$ 18786. Sounds kinda low, don't know if VSA , moonroof included.
http://www.honda.co.jp/manual/cr-v/2002/index.html#
owner's manual
top end is 2.878 mil yen. thats 24600 dollar. sale starts Sept 20 in Japan..
CR-V looks much better without the claddings.
Seems as if the Fullmark edition is not liftgated.
Notice that the top CR-V has body colored grab handles, and a hard spare cover. I'm assuming this is the EX.
* ABS is standard
* Electronic brake distribution (EBD) is optional
* Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) is optional (automatic transmission only)
* NAVI, leather interior etc. is optional
All of these equipment have been available with the previous generation CR-V in Japan.
We get the JDM equivalent of the 'performa' model, with more cladding, and spare on the rear. The 'fullmark' model is cleaner looking (like the SE model with the current CR-V) and the spare is hidden.
The Honda newsroom site under chasis section "Anti-lock brakes are standard equipment on the EX trim level. On the CR-V, ABS operates even when the 4-wheel drive system is operating. The system is a four-sensor, three-channel system with a speed sensor located at each wheel. When the driver applies maximum brake pressure and impending wheel lockup is detected, the sensors send a signal to an electronic control unit (ECU). The ECU processes the information, then tells the ABS system to momentarily disengage, then reapply brake pressure at the appropriate wheel(s). If impending wheel lockup occurs when brake pressure is reapplied, the cycle is repeated. This allows the tires to be maintained at the point of maximum traction. There is a separate channel for each front wheel and the rear wheels share a common third channel. This is a "select-low" system, meaning the system controls both rear-wheel slave cylinders together when it senses incipient wheel lockup in either wheel. "
That sounds like EBD to me. Even though no such word is used.
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k.
http://www.veh-tech.net/
Bob
Diploid's link clearly shows one of my pet peeves: the exposed rear gate hinge. At least there is only one instead of the two on the previous model, and the tire seems to hide it from most angles.
I really prefer the body-color grille surround. I wonder if the US will get an SE model like that.
3rd row seating sounds interesting. The article is a bit vague. They say it will "use the CR-V as a base model". Does that mean it might get a longer wheelbase? Or will they just add a seat? And if so, wouldn't a folding seat like the Odyssey be sweet?
-juice
They may may even face inward, like that of a subway, and that access will be through the rear door. Land Rover has used this arrangement.
Bob
Unless, of course, that is the trade-off for having the 3rd row. I would personally like for the seats (if we even get them) to disappear into the floor. Having them on the side takes up cargo space when they're not in use.
Americans demand more space and comfort, no doubt.
A 3rd row seat like that may as well stay in the JDM. No thanks.
-juice
If the seats in the CR-V aren't as bad as they are in the Suzuki, I'd like to see it available as an option.
Fullmark- not only does the exposed hinge irritate me, but they didn't even bother fixing the rear window. Now you have a rear that doesn't have the spare, and yet the window tells you that there should be one there.
I think the Fullmark has a cleaner look to it, but at the same time, it seems empty without the spare (given the window treatment).
I just don't see the Fullmark's tailgate the same way as I do for an Escape or Santa Fe.
Around me they carry hefty discouts, with prices dipping into the teens. Too trucky, perhaps. GM will replace it with a car-based one sharing a platform with the Saturn Vue, IIRC.
Yeah, the 3rd seat in the XL7 is apparently for aliens with no legs. If you move the 2nd row forward there is some, but it's a real squeeze.
Thing is, I want a 3rd row seat, it just needs to be a more clever design than that. Perhaps the live axle rear compromised packaging, but Honda could pull it off.
-juice
As Ive suspected several posts ago, if the Stream, which is based off the Civic, could carry a 3rd seat, there's no reason why the CR-V can't.
The only thing that keeps me from believing that the rumored 3rd row will fold like those in the Odyssey and Stream is the picnic table in the CR-V.
I suspect it's going to be a trade-off: you either get the table, or the seat.
Suzuki is so tiny you have to wonder if they can survive. Subaru sells more Foresters than all Suzuki trucks combined.
CR-V did outsell Escape in August, but Escape has a big lead for year-to-date sales. Liberty had the most sales in August but it's new.
-juice
Bob
Those mini vans like stream are designed for Asians. Average about a foot shorter, 80 pounds lighter. No sense bringing them here.
Bob
Let Suzuki handle the mini segments, which GM has never done well. Then let Subaru handle small to mid-size cars and crossover vehicles and AWD systems. Finally, let Isuzu help with trucks and source diesel engines. An isuzu diesel has let GM increase their diesel market share 1000% (not a typo).
It's remarkable that Honda is largely independent these days. Though they do get help, including from Isuzu (diesels, again).
-juice
We considered the CRV until we drove one. What a slug! My wife thought her previous Corolla was quicker (and that's not saying much). The CRV was noisy and felt pushed to keep up with 70 mph traffic. The interior reminded us too much of a Civic. Of course, the great Honda reliability is a big plus, but for the money, we felt the XL-7 gave you a lot more vehicle for the same price (and some even less).
The third row seat was not a big reason for us to buy, but a nice feature to have. Also the V6, real 4x4, towing capacity, and rear A/C all won us over.
I'll be curious to see the '02 CRV and see what improvements have been made.
I expect that Honda will bring an SE model back to the states in a few years. First they'll sel as many as possible while the 02 model is still new. When it gets closer to the end of its run, they'll spice it up with the SE.
Diploid - I may be misreading your post, but the Fullmark has always had the same side hinged gate. There has never been a left gate on a CR-V.
The XL7's 3rd seat is only really useful if you move the 2nd row forward. With the 2nd row all the way back, there is zero space for your feet.
Still, good for hauling kids and their friends.
-juice
I'm a bit surprized that Honda would adapt the CR-V for seven seats when the Stream is already available. The Stream even comes with RT4WD. I doubt that the SUV image is a big deal down there, so all I can figure is that they need more cargo space than the Stream provides, or they need ground clearance to get over rutted roads.
Earlier someone mentioned that ABS works with RT4WD. That's close but not quite. RT4WD automatically disengages when the brakes are applied, so that the ABS can send braking power to the three channels. They can't work at the same time. In fact, most of the time RT4WD will disengage when you lift your foot off the gas.
7 seats- There have been times when I could use 7 seats, too. I think the reason why 7 seat is being made into the CR-V is because Honda wants to lure buyers away from Suzuki's XL-7. The 3rd row may not be very useful for most, but a 3rd row is still a 3rd row, and a very effective marketing ploy. Also, I doubt if the Stream will ever make it over here.
I'm just hoping the 'surprise' is still in the engine. It would be nice for Honda to say "Fooled you! Our 4-banger doesn't make 160hp, it makes 180!"
I doubt if the CR-V can regain its best seller title. The Liberty, to my surprise, is selling very well.
But then again, if there isn't a demand, maybe we can have some flexibility with the pricing.
I think I'll play pessimist and wait until I actually see it on a Honda web site.
JM2C
At least with rumors, there's some excitement.