Where can I get the best repair manual for the CR-V? I had a '94 Civic and I was able to get some great manuals. One book had wiring diagrams of every electrical circuit in the car. Is there something like that for the CR-V? Where do I go?
Had this problem in my 2001 Civic EX. Took it to one dealer where I bought the car and they told me they all do this! Took it to another dealer near work and they looked at it and told me the SEAT BUSHINGS were cracked. Ordered them for me and installed them and NO more problem! Hope this helps!
I've had my 2002 CRV EX automatic for 1 week and I noticed the clicking noise a few days later. It's definitely there and it sounds like it comes from the steering column. I don't have lo-jack installed so it seems like its a problem with the manufacturer. I did not hear it right away because it's something I wasn't expecting until I read somebody else complain about it. If the radio is on you will not hear it. And it only happens just as I come to a complete stop, not on acceleration.
I hope this is an easily fixable problem because its driving me crazy now. And my wife is pissed off that i pointed it out to her because thats all she thinks about too.
The keyless enty from www.hparts.com is very easy to install. You just remove one screw from that little cubbyhole and carefully pull out the whole thing by holding the cover. The right side comes out first and there're some clips around it. All you have to do is connect one plug. I didn't even have to program the remotes. I will attempt to install the alarm on Martin Luther King Day. They both come with detailed instructions just like the one from http://www.handaaccessories.com/crv/02CRVSECURITY.pdf
slugline, your response on the glass tint was great. i have less worry about that issue now if i can find a glass specialist in this area.
varmit, for what i'll be using this vehicle for, the RT4WD will be fine. some of the forester postings talked about the superiority of AWD and that there is a slight delay for the RT4 to kick in. i am not an aggressive driver, so it shouldn't be a problem.
angelica2, thanks for the scoop on the tire cover. sounds like the color scheme will be fine on silver, maybe not so good on the other choices. silver is probably my #1, as i had similar thoughts about the tan interior as other posters have had.
i seem to notice some edmunds threads to V owners on the east coast, california, and texas/fla. surprised there are not more participants from colorado/rocky mtn region...perfect V country. i do see more foresters here than V's. i guess i'll do more dealer research on my own.
I live in Colorado Springs, and am considering a new CR-V. Haven't checked out any of the Denver dealers yet, but may do that in April (baseball season).
We have one Honda dealer here (Team, formerly Sun West); next closest dealer is in Pueblo (Widmar).
Good luck with your search. I'd appreciate hearing about what you find with the Denver area dealers.
Article today (syndicated) about seizing engines in the Santa Fe. And all those people were so proud of the strides Hyundai has made........For a half a second I was considering a Hyundai....luckily the feeling has passed.
My dealer had in a CRV that he had to put in a new ECU in it...It appears that a customer decided he had the "skills" to install the Honda alarm system. He made a small mistake..and now he has to pay $1,000 for his thrift in installing alarm himself...Dealer is charging $300....alarm will set you back $170 from a genuine Honda parts company. Invest the added $130...remember dealer warrants his install for 3 years..36k miles...in the long run the $130 is worth "piece of mind"!
I know I'm not a rocket scientist, but even a "piece of my mind" is got to be worth more than $130!
Seriously, regarding alarm installation, it's been said by many an expert that if you're not experienced, it's better to leave the installation to a professional. Along the same vein, the Honda alarm costs more, but you don't have to worry about the installer wiring an aftermarket unit incorrectly and frying the ECU.
There's a whole range of difficulty out there, from "installing" floormats to changing an air filter . . . from changing a tire to changing oil . . . and yes, an alarm system ranks pretty high on this scale. The prudent person can read over the installation instructions for any of the Honda stuff and recognize whether or not it is beyond their ability. Yes, occasionally mistakes are made, but in the long run, the competent self-installers come out ahead.
I say there are people out there who think they have the "skills" to drive too . . . hahaha!
hey, we live in the springs too. been wandering this board and found myself dragging my wife to look at the new v. we had already deposited $500 for a '02 odyssey penciled in for march delivery, but today my wife and i looked at the cr-v drove it for about half an hour, talked about it some more, and decided to get one! we cancelled the odyssey order, with the thought that it's only her, my 20 month old, and myself. and with me going to school, we don't plan on more kids for at least 2.5 yrs. so with that in mind, we thought the v was a good fit for us right now. we have a '99 accord 4cyl, and the v does feel more powerful. we ended up with a silver lx auto w/ awd and side airbags for $400 under msrp. not much of a discount, but the invoice and msrp margin is only like $1500, instead of $4000 for the ody exl we were going to get. we'd still like a van in the future, but waiting for one, will pay off, especially since i feel the i-vtec engines are a good improvement over the original v-tec design. as you know team honda doesn't discount heavily or any honda dealer in the front range area. but they have non-negotiable pricing and work on pleasing the customer, and not adding extra accessories for profit.
And thanks for the info on the deal. I hadn't tried to talk price with Team, since I'm not ready to buy yet.
Did they have many Vs on the lot?
My wife's not convinced that a 4 cylinder is the way to go, and she thinks the V might be a little too compact. Currently I'm driving a '93 Civic; she's driving a '93 Camry. The Highlander's another possibility.
Hayduke01 -- I was considering the Highlander for awhile myself -- in fact I was almost convinced that it was the way to go. I prefer the exterior styling and the full time all wheel drive of the Highlander over the CR-V. However, up in Canada one can only get AWD on the Highlander with the V6, which shoots the price way up and the fuel economy way down. The V6 Highlander lists at $36,900 ($Can), whereas the CR-V LX 5 speed lists at $26,900 $Can. I can buy a lot of beer with $10,000! All things considered, I am hooked on the CR-V, and plan to buy one in the spring. Anybody want to buy a 1994 Dodge Caravan???
Did you consider the Santa-Fe. I had a 1997 CR-V which I traded in for a Santa Fe 1 year ago. 36,000 KM later I have noting bad to report about the Santa Fe. $30,000 Can for a GLS with leather and just about everything but a sun roof.
Original CR-V was way underpowered and I understand the new-one is much better on that aspect. However the full time AWD of the Hyundai provides much better traction on the snow.
Since you plan to buy only in the spring, take the time and road test the Santa Fe; you will be surprised. I certainly was!!
It's a shame about those Hyundais, I really credit the Koreans for effort. If you look at their sedans, they have articulating hinges for the trunk, struts to hold up the hood, and padded and cloth-lined headliners.
But CR still gives the Santa Fe a "Worse than average" reliability rating, and that hurts.
Steve: just don't drive the CR-V after drinking $10k worth of beer! ;-)
Some 290 engines sized up out of 50,000+ Santa-Fe sold in the US. At least Hyundai did the right thing and replaced engines and even vehicles in some cases. Engines that did seize were low mileage so I guess I'm OK now.
Honda's are not totally trouble free either.. My CR-V AWD started to slip at around 50,000 miles and needed to be repaired. I had terrible corrosion on my CR-V. Somehow the road salt got inside the doors (between the outside sheet metal and the inside panel) so the doors became difficult to unlock and would not work so smoothly. The back door had to be dismantled and completely cleaned and relubed inside as it would just not lock in place anymore. Under the hood after one winter the engine compartment looked 10 year old.
Nothing catastrophic mind you but not Alice in Wonderland either....
I read over 300 engines were involved (at least that's what has been reported). Don't know about Hyundai "making it right" but the article I read said they are keeping it hush hush. They are making people's car payments, upgrading them to an XG300/350 and other things to keep it quiet.
The articles stated that (I am paraphrasing) Hyundai has been trying to do so much to overcome their negative quality image and then this happens.
I realize no piece of machinery is immune to problems (yes even a Honda) but call me crazy (you won't be the first) but road salt causing corrosion and engines seizing are a little bit different, IMHO.
Enjoy your Hyundai (rhymes with Sunday) and take advantage of those self serve car washes, an easy way to keep the engine bay clean.
290 or more engines siezed? It's worse than I thought, then. And the new, nicely styled Tiburon has that same engine, so I wonder if it's also affected.
The bigger issue is that while they have addressed the quality of many materials, it appears that they have not yet addressed reliability.
I really think that's a shame. Their warranty is fantastic, and like I said they've been hard at work on material quality.
My understanding of the engine situation is that it happened on the initial run of 2.7L engines and that corrections to the cylinder sleeves have been made immediately. So the engine situation does not affect the coming Tiburon, neither the current Sonata nor Santa Fe.
I haven't seen the CR reliability reports but on Car Point the Santa Fe gets the same rating as the new CR-V; 8.9. The CR-V reliability is assured (altough not perfect) given Honda's track record while the Santa Fe is still open for discussion. All I can say for now is that it is solid and well put together and mine has been 100% reliable.
I am thinking of getting this used 2001 CRV SE. The owner wants $21K. He only has 11K miles on it. I drove it today, the CRV's are loud on the freeway! Anyway, I might just own it by this Friday. Super clean. He also bought the 7 year extended warranty that he told me is transferable. )
My wife and I like the 2002, but we know that we would only be able to afford the EX. We would like the SE, but 1) it's not here in Northern Cali yet, 2) it will be far to expensive.
I stopped by a dealer after seeing the private seller. They have a brand new 01 CRV SE, same color and everything. They are selling it for $23,240 (destination charges included). This is not including the tax, lic, registration. The dealer was telling me that they would wheel and deal on this to get it off their lot. He also mentioned that they still might have special financing on the 01's (1.9-3.9%). Whatever. The way I see it, I'm gonna get the best deal of my life for $21K.
I have to admit that the new motor and new looks of the 2002 are nice, but at the same time that "new generation" engine is just that, NEW. I don't know what the reliability of it will be, but based on Honda's rep, it will probably be outstanding. I think I can save our family a lot of money and settle for the 2.0 liter...
Hyundai is making great strides in improving both their image and their products. I certainly can't blame them for trying to hush-hush a potential PR disaster. It's good to hear that they've recognized the problem and are doing something about it. They could've pulled a Mitsubishi move and buried the reports in a employee's locker.
OTOH, Hyundai still has a way to go. Their products are reaching parity with the average American manufacturer, but we Americans are not the gold standard.
I don't think that improving quality will be Hyundai's greatest challenge. Improving quality is a necessary move and their warranty helps comfort folks who are leary of the Hyundai reputation. However, both will cost Hyundai money. Since Hyundai is selling at the low end of the food chain, I doubt that they are making big profits on each vehicle. Soon they may have to start charging considerably more per vehicle and their share of the market will dwindle back to where it was 5 years ago. They need a long term plan. I don't envy them.
Bmengotto - There's more to the '02 CR-V than just an engine upgrade and new sheetmetal. If you've done all your research and the other differences don't matter, then you're good. But make sure you've considered all of them.
FYI, the "02 EX has a few features that were standard on the former SE (tinted windows for example) and many are also available through the aftermarket. There are also features that were not on the SE (like a sunroof). So again, make sure you're taking a close look.
Good luck shopping! You can't go wrong with either one.
Watch out! $21K was probably right around what the seller originally paid for the car. (It wasn't very difficult to get deals close to invoice on CR-Vs last year.) I ran the vehicle as you described it through Edmunds TMV Used Vehicle Appraiser and came up with these numbers:
$16,862 -- private party $18,660 -- dealer retail $19,210 -- certified used
I don't know exactly where you are in NoCal, but I fed in 94107 (PacBell Park) as the ZIP code.
If it was me in this situation, I wouldn't make a final decision until I test-drove the '02 first. Feature-for-feature, an '01 (even in SE trim) doesn't measure up to an '02 IMHO. Even if you still like the '01 (it's still a sound vehicle), I think you have reason to see if you can haggle the price DOWN! Good luck.
Bmengotto, here's the link that you can use to play with those numbers that Slugline pulled up for you: True Market Value Steve Host SUVs, Vans and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards
Yes, I have don't TOO much research. My eyes are SORE! I agree that there are a lot of pluses for the 2002, but I am really reluctant to purchase a new vehicle from a dealer.
The guy I am buying from bought the CRV 8 moths ago, so I don't think he got a great deal on it. Plus, I think he might have paid a pretty penny for it. He owes little more than 21k on it now, but he didn't let me know what he paid for it. We'll see how things go.
I have driven an 02, but only in a circle, thanks to the dealer and the right turn only route. I wasn't able to go on the freeway. I want to drive them one after another, but the 02's are hard to come by.
I did a comparison between the two, and I really don't know what is that much different. Body changes, some more compartments on the 02 (does it have that tray under the passenger seat?). MAX air con, 60/40, a little more room, bigger engine.
This will be for my wife who drives about 20 minutes to work, on the freeway. There is no snow, so it's an urban suv. We are going to have a kid in about a year, so the leather is appealing to us (plus we have two shiba inu dogs). The fact that this guy has that extended warrenty is nice as well.
21k vs any more than that, to me is money wasted. I would rather save that money and invest it for the future. I was against a new car purchase, and this is basically what we are going to be doing from this guy, but we let him absorb the first year ownership costs.
I also like some of the older design features, rear cup holders on the side of the door vs. new ones build into arm rest. On cloth material, that is just begging to spill. Kind limits the use of the arm rest as well.
Also, the 01 was the last year of that engine build. In otherwords, it was proven, well designed, and is tried and true. This year a new generation engine has been developed. That is a risk, although slight, it is still a risk. The performance between the two, in my opinion, is nothing special. I am basically happy, because if it wasn't this mini-ute, it would be a mini-van. ACK!
If anyone has an argument that can sway me, then now is the time! Try your best, I am easy, and flip flop all the time.
Let's see...buy a used '01 SE for $21,000 or a new '01 SE for $23,000 + tax but the dealer is willing to deal.
You'll pay license and registration in either case.
If you go here you'll find the pricing information for a NEW '01 SE.
Invoice for a new '01 SE is listed as $21,273. I'll bet you can talk the dealer down pretty close to invoice, if not to invoice, or even slightly below. Add taxes and you will pay more than then the 8 month old '01 SE with 11,000 miles on it.
If your wife is going to drive it 40 miles (round trip) a day, 50 weeks/year that's 10,000/year. Around 70,000 miles total by the time the extended warranty runs out. Hardly makes the cost of the warranty worth it...assuming you even keep it 6 years.
So $21k for a used '01 SE or maybe $22+ for a brand new '01 SE?
And you have no idea what the current owner has done to his CR-V. Maybe he races RAV-4s for fun on weekends...
What theracoon is saying makes a lot of sense. I don't think the used '01 is completely out of the running, however. What I'd like to see happen is for bmengotto to inform the seller of the information he's finding on Edmunds, because a $21K asking price just looks too high to me. A deal in the $18K-$20K range would be more reasonable in my opinion.
BTW I don't begrudge the seller for asking $21K, however. I'd probably do the same thing to see if anyone would "bite." But it's not the seller that is asking for our advice now, is he?
I vote for going for the new one. I think you can get close to invoice on the new one as racoon said. Don't you also pay sales tax on a used car down in your neck of the woods. Up here we do. The extended warranty may be a non-issue given the proven track record of the '01 and Honda's reputation. 11k miles is not a whole lot of miles but maybe the guy had chronic flatulence and was a big-time nose-picker! There is nothing like the virginity of a brand new car. You know you're the first guy! )
According to the buyer, 21k is the buy off amount. I would assume that includes tax (not license or registration). If it does not include tax, then we will obviously not have a deal. When I was selling my used cars, I sold them for $8500. There was no "tax", it was $8500, you got the title, and went on your merry way. So, 2k, to most may seem like a small/worthless saving, but for me, I feel wonderful about it. He told me he is not selling it for a profit. He seemed like a young honest guy, however, I have asked him if I could see his original purchase loan agreement <<Evil grin>>. Single guy, two cars, house payment, no girl. This new ride is probably eating into his income, and it appears that he is bending over backward to make this transaction as smooth as possible, I kid you not. That's really how I felt. Maybe he's greasing me up, but I have a good feeling about this...
Now there's some issues with buying a used car that never would have occured to me, canadiancl. Steve Host SUVs, Vans and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards
those are real-life issues! Have you ever looked over at the car next to you while you're stopped at a traffic light and observed how many times the guy (or gal, but mostly guys) is picking his nose. And I've never seen one wipe his finger off with a kleenex. So draw your own conclusion!
And a related question (maybe more suitable in the maintenance forum): Does leather do a more effective job of repelling flatulence then fabric?
So this fellow is essentially asking you to pick up his loan on the car. He's not liking the fact that cars depreciate faster than he can pay the difference. Hmmm... I'd consider the buy, but not at his asking price. 11K miles is a drop in the bucket compared to the expected longevity of the CR-V, but a used car is a car. I wouldn't pay more than $20K.
You guys are right. The dealer said that they will take invoice on the 01, which is 21,273. Since that is the case, my financing will be cheaper as well (3.9%). Oh well, I guess I thought I was doing what was best.
glad to know there's some other front rangers out there.
seguy, i would also be interested in haydukeo1's question around how many V's team honda had on their lot. in my informal dealer drive-bys, i am seeing more '02's than i did a month ago. perhaps things are settling down just a bit.
i too am not quite ready to buy and can afford to wait for a better deal.
i think once more details are known about '03 forester, we will have more bargaining power if it is a worthy alternative. the excitement around pilot will also divert some spotlight from cr-v as the summer approaches.
is that after all my damn research and number crunching, we are going to do what we had initially planned. By a vanilla 2002 EX. My wife is about to kill me!!!
What can I say, I got screwed so hard on my last car sale, I went apocolypse now on planning for this purchase! Can you blame me?! I read millionare next door, I read fool.com, I was BRAINWASHED! Now I'll do anything to get a new car as soon as possible if I can just stop researching, and get the wife to quit thinking bobbit like!!!
AHHHHHHHHHH! Why can't we all just work from home and NEVER have to commute AGAIN!
team honda has only lx's available. most people seem to be going for the ex's as they are booked through april on those, but have a handful of lx's all with awd/side air bags auto or stick available each month. good luck dealing with the price though. they have a one price policy which is pretty competitive for the area. you may be able to shop them against pueblo or denver to get them down a little, or maybe throw in something. hope that helps. Also, the room in the crv is pretty good(i compare it to a odyssey without the third row). we liked it because it offered alot in a small package, plus it should be reliable and easy to sell down the road. the highlanders are nice too. a little more cargo room, power for towing and safety than the v. have fun with whatever you decide on.
FYI-- TRUCK TREND FEB. ISSUE HAS A COMPARO OF AUTO CRV EX, 5SPD RAV, AUTO V6 ESCAPE AND AUTO V6 FREELANDER. PRETTY GOOD ARTICLE, WITH THE 2 OF THE FOUR EDITORS PICKING THE LAND ROVER, ALTHOUGH IT HAD THE SLOWEST 0-60 TIME. THEY SEEM TO BE BIASED TOWARDS TORQUE/TOWING/OFF-ROADING ABILITIES. BUT INTERESTINGLY THE CRV POSTED A 8.93 SECOND TIME, TRAILING THE 5SPD RAV @ 8.9. THE ESCAPE GOT A 9.1 SECOND TIME, FREELANDER 10.3. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ESCAPE WAS SLOWER, BUT IT WAS IN THEIR TEST.
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Hope this helps!
I have the Helm manual and the much cheaper "Chilton" guide. The Chilton sits on the shelf gathering dust.
I hope this is an easily fixable problem because its driving me crazy now. And my wife is pissed off that i pointed it out to her because thats all she thinks about too.
The keyless enty from www.hparts.com is very easy to install. You just remove one screw from that little cubbyhole and carefully pull out the whole thing by holding the cover. The right side comes out first and there're some clips around it. All you have to do is connect one plug. I didn't even have to program the remotes. I will attempt to install the alarm on Martin Luther King Day. They both come with detailed instructions just like the one from http://www.handaaccessories.com/crv/02CRVSECURITY.pdf
Jonathan
Thanks for the info! I went ahead and ordered my keyless and security system and also checked out the installation PDF through your link.
Let me know how your installation on the security system goes and how long it takes...
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slugline, your response on the glass tint was great. i have less worry about that issue now if i can find a glass specialist in this area.
varmit, for what i'll be using this vehicle for, the RT4WD will be fine. some of the forester postings talked about the superiority of AWD and that there is a slight delay for the RT4 to kick in. i am not an aggressive driver, so it shouldn't be a problem.
angelica2, thanks for the scoop on the tire cover. sounds like the color scheme will be fine on silver, maybe not so good on the other choices. silver is probably my #1, as i had similar thoughts about the tan interior as other posters have had.
i seem to notice some edmunds threads to V owners on the east coast, california, and texas/fla. surprised there are not more participants from colorado/rocky mtn region...perfect V country. i do see more foresters here than V's. i guess i'll do more dealer research on my own.
Did you disconnect the negative post on the battery when installing the keyless entry?
What's the implication for not doing this?
We have one Honda dealer here (Team, formerly Sun West); next closest dealer is in Pueblo (Widmar).
Good luck with your search. I'd appreciate hearing about what you find with the Denver area dealers.
Seriously, regarding alarm installation, it's been said by many an expert that if you're not experienced, it's better to leave the installation to a professional. Along the same vein, the Honda alarm costs more, but you don't have to worry about the installer wiring an aftermarket unit incorrectly and frying the ECU.
I say there are people out there who think they have the "skills" to drive too . . . hahaha!
And thanks for the info on the deal. I hadn't tried to talk price with Team, since I'm not ready to buy yet.
Did they have many Vs on the lot?
My wife's not convinced that a 4 cylinder is the way to go, and she thinks the V might be a little too compact. Currently I'm driving a '93 Civic; she's driving a '93 Camry. The Highlander's another possibility.
Anyway, good luck with the new V!
Trilliumsteve
Original CR-V was way underpowered and I understand the new-one is much better on that aspect. However the full time AWD of the Hyundai provides much better traction on the snow.
Since you plan to buy only in the spring, take the time and road test the Santa Fe; you will be surprised. I certainly was!!
But CR still gives the Santa Fe a "Worse than average" reliability rating, and that hurts.
Steve: just don't drive the CR-V after drinking $10k worth of beer! ;-)
-juice
Honda's are not totally trouble free either.. My CR-V AWD started to slip at around 50,000 miles and needed to be repaired. I had terrible corrosion on my CR-V. Somehow the road salt got inside the doors (between the outside sheet metal and the inside panel) so the doors became difficult to unlock and would not work so smoothly. The back door had to be dismantled and completely cleaned and relubed inside as it would just not lock in place anymore. Under the hood after one winter the engine compartment looked 10 year old.
Nothing catastrophic mind you but not Alice in Wonderland either....
The articles stated that (I am paraphrasing) Hyundai has been trying to do so much to overcome their negative quality image and then this happens.
I realize no piece of machinery is immune to problems (yes even a Honda) but call me crazy (you won't be the first) but road salt causing corrosion and engines seizing are a little bit different, IMHO.
Enjoy your Hyundai (rhymes with Sunday) and take advantage of those self serve car washes, an easy way to keep the engine bay clean.
Not a good thing for them right now...
The bigger issue is that while they have addressed the quality of many materials, it appears that they have not yet addressed reliability.
I really think that's a shame. Their warranty is fantastic, and like I said they've been hard at work on material quality.
-juice
My understanding of the engine situation is that it happened on the initial run of 2.7L engines and that corrections to the cylinder sleeves have been made immediately. So the engine situation does not affect the coming Tiburon, neither the current Sonata nor Santa Fe.
I haven't seen the CR reliability reports but on Car Point the Santa Fe gets the same rating as the new CR-V; 8.9. The CR-V reliability is assured (altough not perfect) given Honda's track record while the Santa Fe is still open for discussion. All I can say for now is that it is solid and well put together and mine has been 100% reliable.
freeway! Anyway, I might just own it by this Friday. Super clean. He also bought the 7 year extended warranty that he told me is transferable.
My wife and I like the 2002, but we know that we would only be able to afford the EX. We would like the SE, but 1) it's not here in Northern Cali
yet, 2) it will be far to expensive.
I stopped by a dealer after seeing the private seller. They have a brand new 01 CRV SE, same color and everything. They are selling it for $23,240 (destination charges included). This is not including the tax, lic, registration. The dealer was telling me that they would wheel and deal on this to get it off their lot. He also mentioned that they still might have special financing on the 01's (1.9-3.9%). Whatever. The way I see it, I'm gonna get the best deal of my life for $21K.
I have to admit that the new motor and new looks of the 2002 are nice, but at the same time that "new generation" engine is just that, NEW. I don't know what the reliability of it will be, but based on Honda's rep, it will probably be outstanding. I think I can save our family a lot of money and settle for the 2.0 liter...
Lucky.
OTOH, Hyundai still has a way to go. Their products are reaching parity with the average American manufacturer, but we Americans are not the gold standard.
I don't think that improving quality will be Hyundai's greatest challenge. Improving quality is a necessary move and their warranty helps comfort folks who are leary of the Hyundai reputation. However, both will cost Hyundai money. Since Hyundai is selling at the low end of the food chain, I doubt that they are making big profits on each vehicle. Soon they may have to start charging considerably more per vehicle and their share of the market will dwindle back to where it was 5 years ago. They need a long term plan. I don't envy them.
FYI, the "02 EX has a few features that were standard on the former SE (tinted windows for example) and many are also available through the aftermarket. There are also features that were not on the SE (like a sunroof). So again, make sure you're taking a close look.
Good luck shopping! You can't go wrong with either one.
They've had the biggest growth in sales among the major import manufacturers, so I don't think they'll give up so easily.
I say put the SF on a diet. 3-400 lbs lighter and it could potentially lead the class.
-juice
$16,862 -- private party
$18,660 -- dealer retail
$19,210 -- certified used
I don't know exactly where you are in NoCal, but I fed in 94107 (PacBell Park) as the ZIP code.
If it was me in this situation, I wouldn't make a final decision until I test-drove the '02 first. Feature-for-feature, an '01 (even in SE trim) doesn't measure up to an '02 IMHO. Even if you still like the '01 (it's still a sound vehicle), I think you have reason to see if you can haggle the price DOWN! Good luck.
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The guy I am buying from bought the CRV 8 moths ago, so I don't think he got a great deal on it. Plus, I think he might have paid a pretty penny for it. He owes little more than 21k on it now, but he didn't let me know what he paid for it. We'll see how things go.
I have driven an 02, but only in a circle, thanks to the dealer and the right turn only route. I wasn't able to go on the freeway. I want to drive them one after another, but the 02's are hard to come by.
I did a comparison between the two, and I really don't know what is that much different. Body changes, some more compartments on the 02 (does it have that tray under the passenger seat?). MAX air con, 60/40, a little more room, bigger engine.
This will be for my wife who drives about 20 minutes to work, on the freeway. There is no snow, so it's an urban suv. We are going to have a kid in about a year, so the leather is appealing to us (plus we have two shiba inu dogs). The fact that this guy has that extended warrenty is nice as well.
21k vs any more than that, to me is money wasted. I would rather save that money and invest it for the future. I was against a new car purchase, and this is basically what we are going to be doing from this guy, but we let him absorb the first year ownership costs.
I also like some of the older design features, rear cup holders on the side of the door vs. new ones build into arm rest. On cloth material, that is just begging to spill. Kind limits the use of the arm rest as well.
Also, the 01 was the last year of that engine build. In otherwords, it was proven, well designed, and is tried and true. This year a new generation engine has been developed. That is a risk, although slight, it is still a risk. The performance between the two, in my opinion, is nothing special. I am basically happy, because if it wasn't this mini-ute, it would be a mini-van. ACK!
If anyone has an argument that can sway me, then now is the time! Try your best, I am easy, and flip flop all the time.
B
You'll pay license and registration in either case.
If you go here you'll find the pricing information for a NEW '01 SE.
Invoice for a new '01 SE is listed as $21,273. I'll bet you can talk the dealer down pretty close to invoice, if not to invoice, or even slightly below. Add taxes and you will pay more than then the 8 month old '01 SE with 11,000 miles on it.
If your wife is going to drive it 40 miles (round trip) a day, 50 weeks/year that's 10,000/year. Around 70,000 miles total by the time the extended warranty runs out. Hardly makes the cost of the warranty worth it...assuming you even keep it 6 years.
So $21k for a used '01 SE or maybe $22+ for a brand new '01 SE?
And you have no idea what the current owner has done to his CR-V. Maybe he races RAV-4s for fun on weekends...
Seems a no-brainer to me. Get the new one.
Eric
BTW I don't begrudge the seller for asking $21K, however. I'd probably do the same thing to see if anyone would "bite." But it's not the seller that is asking for our advice now, is he?
The extended warranty may be a non-issue given the proven track record of the '01 and Honda's reputation. 11k miles is not a whole lot of miles but maybe the guy had chronic flatulence and was a big-time nose-picker! There is nothing like the virginity of a brand new car. You know you're the first guy!
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And a related question (maybe more suitable in the maintenance forum): Does leather do a more effective job of repelling flatulence then fabric?
So this fellow is essentially asking you to pick up his loan on the car. He's not liking the fact that cars depreciate faster than he can pay the difference. Hmmm... I'd consider the buy, but not at his asking price. 11K miles is a drop in the bucket compared to the expected longevity of the CR-V, but a used car is a car. I wouldn't pay more than $20K.
http://www.autosite.com/editoria/asmr/svolsu.asp
Still, the advise was sound!
seguy, i would also be interested in haydukeo1's question around how many V's team honda had on their lot. in my informal dealer drive-bys, i am seeing more '02's than i did a month ago. perhaps things are settling down just a bit.
i too am not quite ready to buy and can afford to wait for a better deal.
i think once more details are known about '03 forester, we will have more bargaining power if it is a worthy alternative. the excitement around pilot will also divert some spotlight from cr-v as the summer approaches.
What can I say, I got screwed so hard on my last car sale, I went apocolypse now on planning for this purchase! Can you blame me?! I read millionare next door, I read fool.com, I was BRAINWASHED! Now I'll do anything to get a new car as soon as possible if I can just stop researching, and get the wife to quit thinking bobbit like!!!
AHHHHHHHHHH! Why can't we all just work from home and NEVER have to commute AGAIN!
- B
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FYI-- TRUCK TREND FEB. ISSUE HAS A COMPARO OF AUTO CRV EX, 5SPD RAV, AUTO V6 ESCAPE AND AUTO V6 FREELANDER. PRETTY GOOD ARTICLE, WITH THE 2 OF THE FOUR EDITORS PICKING THE LAND ROVER, ALTHOUGH IT HAD THE SLOWEST 0-60 TIME. THEY SEEM TO BE BIASED TOWARDS TORQUE/TOWING/OFF-ROADING ABILITIES. BUT INTERESTINGLY THE CRV POSTED A 8.93 SECOND TIME, TRAILING THE 5SPD RAV @ 8.9. THE ESCAPE GOT A 9.1 SECOND TIME, FREELANDER 10.3. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ESCAPE WAS SLOWER, BUT IT WAS IN THEIR TEST.