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Thanks.
Hope this helps!
I have the Helm manual and the much cheaper "Chilton" guide. The Chilton sits on the shelf gathering dust.
I hope this is an easily fixable problem because its driving me crazy now. And my wife is pissed off that i pointed it out to her because thats all she thinks about too.
The keyless enty from www.hparts.com is very easy to install. You just remove one screw from that little cubbyhole and carefully pull out the whole thing by holding the cover. The right side comes out first and there're some clips around it. All you have to do is connect one plug. I didn't even have to program the remotes. I will attempt to install the alarm on Martin Luther King Day. They both come with detailed instructions just like the one from http://www.handaaccessories.com/crv/02CRVSECURITY.pdf
Jonathan
Thanks for the info! I went ahead and ordered my keyless and security system and also checked out the installation PDF through your link.
Let me know how your installation on the security system goes and how long it takes...
Thanks
jyeung
slugline, your response on the glass tint was great. i have less worry about that issue now if i can find a glass specialist in this area.
varmit, for what i'll be using this vehicle for, the RT4WD will be fine. some of the forester postings talked about the superiority of AWD and that there is a slight delay for the RT4 to kick in. i am not an aggressive driver, so it shouldn't be a problem.
angelica2, thanks for the scoop on the tire cover. sounds like the color scheme will be fine on silver, maybe not so good on the other choices. silver is probably my #1, as i had similar thoughts about the tan interior as other posters have had.
i seem to notice some edmunds threads to V owners on the east coast, california, and texas/fla. surprised there are not more participants from colorado/rocky mtn region...perfect V country. i do see more foresters here than V's. i guess i'll do more dealer research on my own.
Did you disconnect the negative post on the battery when installing the keyless entry?
What's the implication for not doing this?
We have one Honda dealer here (Team, formerly Sun West); next closest dealer is in Pueblo (Widmar).
Good luck with your search. I'd appreciate hearing about what you find with the Denver area dealers.
Seriously, regarding alarm installation, it's been said by many an expert that if you're not experienced, it's better to leave the installation to a professional. Along the same vein, the Honda alarm costs more, but you don't have to worry about the installer wiring an aftermarket unit incorrectly and frying the ECU.
I say there are people out there who think they have the "skills" to drive too . . . hahaha!
And thanks for the info on the deal. I hadn't tried to talk price with Team, since I'm not ready to buy yet.
Did they have many Vs on the lot?
My wife's not convinced that a 4 cylinder is the way to go, and she thinks the V might be a little too compact. Currently I'm driving a '93 Civic; she's driving a '93 Camry. The Highlander's another possibility.
Anyway, good luck with the new V!
Trilliumsteve
Original CR-V was way underpowered and I understand the new-one is much better on that aspect. However the full time AWD of the Hyundai provides much better traction on the snow.
Since you plan to buy only in the spring, take the time and road test the Santa Fe; you will be surprised. I certainly was!!
But CR still gives the Santa Fe a "Worse than average" reliability rating, and that hurts.
Steve: just don't drive the CR-V after drinking $10k worth of beer! ;-)
-juice
Honda's are not totally trouble free either.. My CR-V AWD started to slip at around 50,000 miles and needed to be repaired. I had terrible corrosion on my CR-V. Somehow the road salt got inside the doors (between the outside sheet metal and the inside panel) so the doors became difficult to unlock and would not work so smoothly. The back door had to be dismantled and completely cleaned and relubed inside as it would just not lock in place anymore. Under the hood after one winter the engine compartment looked 10 year old.
Nothing catastrophic mind you but not Alice in Wonderland either....
The articles stated that (I am paraphrasing) Hyundai has been trying to do so much to overcome their negative quality image and then this happens.
I realize no piece of machinery is immune to problems (yes even a Honda) but call me crazy (you won't be the first) but road salt causing corrosion and engines seizing are a little bit different, IMHO.
Enjoy your Hyundai (rhymes with Sunday) and take advantage of those self serve car washes, an easy way to keep the engine bay clean.
Not a good thing for them right now...
The bigger issue is that while they have addressed the quality of many materials, it appears that they have not yet addressed reliability.
I really think that's a shame. Their warranty is fantastic, and like I said they've been hard at work on material quality.
-juice
My understanding of the engine situation is that it happened on the initial run of 2.7L engines and that corrections to the cylinder sleeves have been made immediately. So the engine situation does not affect the coming Tiburon, neither the current Sonata nor Santa Fe.
I haven't seen the CR reliability reports but on Car Point the Santa Fe gets the same rating as the new CR-V; 8.9. The CR-V reliability is assured (altough not perfect) given Honda's track record while the Santa Fe is still open for discussion. All I can say for now is that it is solid and well put together and mine has been 100% reliable.
freeway! Anyway, I might just own it by this Friday. Super clean. He also bought the 7 year extended warranty that he told me is transferable.
My wife and I like the 2002, but we know that we would only be able to afford the EX. We would like the SE, but 1) it's not here in Northern Cali
yet, 2) it will be far to expensive.
I stopped by a dealer after seeing the private seller. They have a brand new 01 CRV SE, same color and everything. They are selling it for $23,240 (destination charges included). This is not including the tax, lic, registration. The dealer was telling me that they would wheel and deal on this to get it off their lot. He also mentioned that they still might have special financing on the 01's (1.9-3.9%). Whatever. The way I see it, I'm gonna get the best deal of my life for $21K.
I have to admit that the new motor and new looks of the 2002 are nice, but at the same time that "new generation" engine is just that, NEW. I don't know what the reliability of it will be, but based on Honda's rep, it will probably be outstanding. I think I can save our family a lot of money and settle for the 2.0 liter...
Lucky.
OTOH, Hyundai still has a way to go. Their products are reaching parity with the average American manufacturer, but we Americans are not the gold standard.
I don't think that improving quality will be Hyundai's greatest challenge. Improving quality is a necessary move and their warranty helps comfort folks who are leary of the Hyundai reputation. However, both will cost Hyundai money. Since Hyundai is selling at the low end of the food chain, I doubt that they are making big profits on each vehicle. Soon they may have to start charging considerably more per vehicle and their share of the market will dwindle back to where it was 5 years ago. They need a long term plan. I don't envy them.
FYI, the "02 EX has a few features that were standard on the former SE (tinted windows for example) and many are also available through the aftermarket. There are also features that were not on the SE (like a sunroof). So again, make sure you're taking a close look.
Good luck shopping! You can't go wrong with either one.
They've had the biggest growth in sales among the major import manufacturers, so I don't think they'll give up so easily.
I say put the SF on a diet. 3-400 lbs lighter and it could potentially lead the class.
-juice
$16,862 -- private party
$18,660 -- dealer retail
$19,210 -- certified used
I don't know exactly where you are in NoCal, but I fed in 94107 (PacBell Park) as the ZIP code.
If it was me in this situation, I wouldn't make a final decision until I test-drove the '02 first. Feature-for-feature, an '01 (even in SE trim) doesn't measure up to an '02 IMHO. Even if you still like the '01 (it's still a sound vehicle), I think you have reason to see if you can haggle the price DOWN! Good luck.
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The guy I am buying from bought the CRV 8 moths ago, so I don't think he got a great deal on it. Plus, I think he might have paid a pretty penny for it. He owes little more than 21k on it now, but he didn't let me know what he paid for it. We'll see how things go.
I have driven an 02, but only in a circle, thanks to the dealer and the right turn only route. I wasn't able to go on the freeway. I want to drive them one after another, but the 02's are hard to come by.
I did a comparison between the two, and I really don't know what is that much different. Body changes, some more compartments on the 02 (does it have that tray under the passenger seat?). MAX air con, 60/40, a little more room, bigger engine.
This will be for my wife who drives about 20 minutes to work, on the freeway. There is no snow, so it's an urban suv. We are going to have a kid in about a year, so the leather is appealing to us (plus we have two shiba inu dogs). The fact that this guy has that extended warrenty is nice as well.
21k vs any more than that, to me is money wasted. I would rather save that money and invest it for the future. I was against a new car purchase, and this is basically what we are going to be doing from this guy, but we let him absorb the first year ownership costs.
I also like some of the older design features, rear cup holders on the side of the door vs. new ones build into arm rest. On cloth material, that is just begging to spill. Kind limits the use of the arm rest as well.
Also, the 01 was the last year of that engine build. In otherwords, it was proven, well designed, and is tried and true. This year a new generation engine has been developed. That is a risk, although slight, it is still a risk. The performance between the two, in my opinion, is nothing special. I am basically happy, because if it wasn't this mini-ute, it would be a mini-van. ACK!
If anyone has an argument that can sway me, then now is the time! Try your best, I am easy, and flip flop all the time.
B
You'll pay license and registration in either case.
If you go here you'll find the pricing information for a NEW '01 SE.
Invoice for a new '01 SE is listed as $21,273. I'll bet you can talk the dealer down pretty close to invoice, if not to invoice, or even slightly below. Add taxes and you will pay more than then the 8 month old '01 SE with 11,000 miles on it.
If your wife is going to drive it 40 miles (round trip) a day, 50 weeks/year that's 10,000/year. Around 70,000 miles total by the time the extended warranty runs out. Hardly makes the cost of the warranty worth it...assuming you even keep it 6 years.
So $21k for a used '01 SE or maybe $22+ for a brand new '01 SE?
And you have no idea what the current owner has done to his CR-V. Maybe he races RAV-4s for fun on weekends...
Seems a no-brainer to me. Get the new one.
Eric
BTW I don't begrudge the seller for asking $21K, however. I'd probably do the same thing to see if anyone would "bite." But it's not the seller that is asking for our advice now, is he?
The extended warranty may be a non-issue given the proven track record of the '01 and Honda's reputation. 11k miles is not a whole lot of miles but maybe the guy had chronic flatulence and was a big-time nose-picker! There is nothing like the virginity of a brand new car. You know you're the first guy!
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And a related question (maybe more suitable in the maintenance forum): Does leather do a more effective job of repelling flatulence then fabric?
So this fellow is essentially asking you to pick up his loan on the car. He's not liking the fact that cars depreciate faster than he can pay the difference. Hmmm... I'd consider the buy, but not at his asking price. 11K miles is a drop in the bucket compared to the expected longevity of the CR-V, but a used car is a car. I wouldn't pay more than $20K.
http://www.autosite.com/editoria/asmr/svolsu.asp
Still, the advise was sound!
seguy, i would also be interested in haydukeo1's question around how many V's team honda had on their lot. in my informal dealer drive-bys, i am seeing more '02's than i did a month ago. perhaps things are settling down just a bit.
i too am not quite ready to buy and can afford to wait for a better deal.
i think once more details are known about '03 forester, we will have more bargaining power if it is a worthy alternative. the excitement around pilot will also divert some spotlight from cr-v as the summer approaches.
What can I say, I got screwed so hard on my last car sale, I went apocolypse now on planning for this purchase! Can you blame me?! I read millionare next door, I read fool.com, I was BRAINWASHED! Now I'll do anything to get a new car as soon as possible if I can just stop researching, and get the wife to quit thinking bobbit like!!!
AHHHHHHHHHH! Why can't we all just work from home and NEVER have to commute AGAIN!
- B
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FYI-- TRUCK TREND FEB. ISSUE HAS A COMPARO OF AUTO CRV EX, 5SPD RAV, AUTO V6 ESCAPE AND AUTO V6 FREELANDER. PRETTY GOOD ARTICLE, WITH THE 2 OF THE FOUR EDITORS PICKING THE LAND ROVER, ALTHOUGH IT HAD THE SLOWEST 0-60 TIME. THEY SEEM TO BE BIASED TOWARDS TORQUE/TOWING/OFF-ROADING ABILITIES. BUT INTERESTINGLY THE CRV POSTED A 8.93 SECOND TIME, TRAILING THE 5SPD RAV @ 8.9. THE ESCAPE GOT A 9.1 SECOND TIME, FREELANDER 10.3. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ESCAPE WAS SLOWER, BUT IT WAS IN THEIR TEST.